Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

Bongalongherb

Don't forget that Irish folk were brainwashed and lied to on Lisbon Treaty 2 'the second coming' in regards that the Lisbon Treaty was for jobs when in fact it was for multiculturalism and fully open borders of all nationalities of the world, not just EU citizens. Vote Lisbon for jobs LOL WTF were Irish citizens thinking ? and how they automatically believed a corrupt government in the first place. It seems that common sense and logic was not in the interests of Irish voters. Never believe a lie.

NegativeCreep

How long until they reach our shores?
Sickens me to think that our elected representatives are too afraid to speak out against taking these illegal immigrants out of fear of appearing racist.
Feck what Germany and Angela Merkel thinks, we all don't have to share the burden "fairly." Who made her queen of Europe anyway?

Bongalongherb

NegativeCreep wrote: »

How long until they reach our shores?
Sickens me to think that our elected representatives are too afraid to speak out against taking these illegal immigrants out of fear of appearing racist.
Feck what Germany and Angela Merkel thinks, we all don't have to share the burden "fairly." Who made her queen of Europe anyway?

September 2015 is the date for the allowed entry. The government is taking double the amount this time, but when they say double that realistically means treble or higher. A lot of taxpaying citizens Euro's will be flowing into this I'm sure, again.

JustTheOne

Bongalongherb wrote: »

September 2015 is the date for the allowed entry. The government is taking double the amount this time, but when they say double that realistically means treble or higher. A lot of taxpaying citizens Euro's will be flowing into this I'm sure, again.

Once the first wave come and report back to their friends that Ireland is a soft touch and they are sorted then the fun begins.

Mass influx and nothing we do will stop it.

colourinkjet2

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Feck what Germany and Angela Merkel thinks, we all don't have to share the burden "fairly." Who made her queen of Europe anyway?

The Irish media really are scum. More easy interviews for frogman suds. Where is the fecking balance now?

DeadHand

colourinkjet2 wrote: »

The Irish media really are scum. More easy interviews for frogman suds. Where is the fecking balance now?

There is none.

This issue (potentially the most transformative of this generation) is either avoided by the mainstream media or covered with an extreme pro immigration bias. Plenty of pictures of squalling infants and worried young women who, in reality, form a tiny minority of the illegals. No pictures of the young men beating the tar out of each other, rioting, intimidating locals, truck drivers and officials and laying down in front of traffic.

The Rotherham pedophile rings (a massive story) were similarly avoided and quickly swept aside, the obvious racial, cultural and religious elements of those mass crimes downplayed. The Swedish rape epidemic (a massive story) is similarly ignored. The disappearance of ancient Jewish communities from European cities due to aggression from elements within the burgeoning Muslim communities there is similarly ignored.

In the European media today reporting the truth is secondary to not giving offence. The truth is always the first victim of political correctness.

AlekSmart

Bongalongherb wrote: »

September 2015 is the date for the allowed entry. The government is taking double the amount this time, but when they say double that realistically means treble or higher. A lot of taxpaying citizens Euro's will be flowing into this I'm sure, again.

Cost, is indeed an interesting aspect of this "Humanitarian Emergency".

Given the current intense Media attitudes to ANY elements of Public Administration which involve cost increases/overruns,the lack of questioning in relation to the Mediterranian Migrant situation IS deafening.

As of now,Ireland does not appear to have been paid anything for it's large scale (and now ongoing) Naval deployment into the Mediterranian.

Neither does the Irish Government (Or it's citizens) know whether Ireland will be recompensed for the EXTRA quota numbers,both on an immediate AND,more importantly,ongoing basis.

Very few,if any,of the additional Quota migrants,will be capable of supporting themselves whilst in Ireland,which is where the DP system comes in.

Even if regularized,the Extra Quota migrant is most unlikely to be able to secure full-time work in an already fluid and depressed market.

Having taken on the TOTAL responsibility for these additional 600,I am keen to learn whether Ireland Teo,has even bothered to cost and invoice whatever EU/UN agency is behind this dubious scheme.

So as it stands,it appears that Ireland is accepting 600 additional individuals,who are presumably undocumented ?

We are,presumably accepting them totally at their own word,without having any recourse to colloborating their accounts ?

We will also,if we adhere to convention,then seek to facilitate the reunification of families who may be awaiting contact from their successful migrant.

This,of itself,could rapidly swell the numbers by 50-70% in jig time,with the funding issue then restarting all over again ?

This current proposal,appears to represent everything that is undesirable in a Public Programme...No Planning-No Costing-No Oversight-and most worryingly,overseen by outside agencies with vastly differing agendas.

All sounds like a good plan then......?

Boring username

DeadHand wrote: »

There is none.

This issue (potentially the most transformative of this generation) is either avoided by the mainstream media or covered with an extreme pro immigration bias. Plenty of pictures of squalling infants and worried young women who, in reality, form a tiny minority of the illegals. No pictures of the young men beating the tar out of each other, rioting, intimidating locals, truck drivers and officials and laying down in front of traffic.

The Rotherham pedophile rings (a massive story) were similarly avoided and quickly swept aside, the obvious racial, cultural and religious elements of those mass crimes downplayed. The Swedish rape epidemic (a massive story) is similarly ignored. The disappearance of ancient Jewish communities from European cities due to aggression from elements within the burgeoning Muslim communities there is similarly ignored.

In the European media today reporting the truth is secondary to not giving offence. The truth is always the first victim of political correctness.

+1. Just look at how the London Independent are engaging in not-very-subtle propaganda here:

"Whenever you think of migrants arriving in Europe, think of this image"

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/whenever-you-think-of-migrants-arriving-in-europe-think-of-this-image--bJs1WGMpVg?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

Leni Riefenstahl wouldn't get a look in. Just as well nobody reads that leftie rag any more, but I'll still call them out on it.

So it that clear, everyone? You have to automatically associate illegal immigrants with a father and his family from now on. Any other thought is 'wrong'.

Shenshen

nokia69 wrote: »

but even if its a peaceful hand over to our new islamic masters its still the end of Europe

Germany is great because the Germans have made it great, if its full of people from the middle east then its not longer Germany, we are not all the same, if we were then there would be countries in the turd world just as good as as the European average, but none are

Germany for the Germans, Ireland for the Irish, Arabia for the Arabs

Multiculturalism is BS

Figures would dispute that - Germany after WWII had a serious shortage of able-bodied workers (obviously). They hired people from Italy, Spain, Portugal and later Turkey in massive numbers. Out of the roughly 80 million people living in Germany today, 16 million are of forgein/migrant descent (if you only count first and second generations).

Germany in particular, being smack-bang in the middle of Europe, has always been a massive melting pot. And that is what made it the power-house it is today. not cultural isolationism.

darkpagandeath

Boring username wrote: »

+1. Just look at how the London Independent are engaging in not-very-subtle propaganda here:

"Whenever you think of migrants arriving in Europe, think of this image"

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/whenever-you-think-of-migrants-arriving-in-europe-think-of-this-image--bJs1WGMpVg?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

Leni Riefenstahl wouldn't get a look in. Just as well nobody reads that leftie rag any more, but I'll still call them out on it.

So it that clear, everyone? You have to automatically associate illegal immigrants with a father and his family from now on. Any other thought is 'wrong'.

Nah i will stick with the actual facts the Figures say most of these economic migrants are single young males. barely any kids and hardly any women.

timmyntc

Shenshen wrote: »

Figures would dispute that - Germany after WWII had a serious shortage of able-bodied workers (obviously). They hired people from Italy, Spain, Portugal and later Turkey in massive numbers. Out of the roughly 80 million people living in Germany today, 16 million are of forgein/migrant descent (if you only count first and second generations).

Germany in particular, being smack-bang in the middle of Europe, has always been a massive melting pot. And that is what made it the power-house it is today. not cultural isolationism.

You're totally correct there, however Germany took in migrants by choice to fill skill shortages in their labor market - they were using migrants for their own growth. Which is fine of course, that's the main benefit of immigration.

What's happening now is not like this however, these people don't have the skills we're looking for - most are unskilled, and the level of English spoken varies from competent to non-existant. These unskilled migrants are being forced upon us and given that our unskilled labor market has next to no shortages/vacancies whatsoever (which is why our youth are emigrating in such large number - no jobs) all these migrants we take in will just add to the already large tally of unemployed, which Irish taxpayers will have to support.

RichardCeann

Shenshen wrote: »

Germany in particular, being smack-bang in the middle of Europe, has always been a massive melting pot. And that is what made it the power-house it is today. not cultural isolationism.

Is that why Kohl had plans to halve the Turkish population in the 1980s and why they were actively paying guestworkers 10,500 DM to go home? Turkey pressured the Federal Republic to allow its citizens to become guest workers but the German Secretary State for Employment didn't want non Europeans as he did not believe that they were culturally compatible. It wasn't until the Americans intervened and placed pressure on him to allow Turkish guestworkers in that he agreed. Germany most certainly was not a 'melting pot' consisting of non Europeans up until then. To say that it was or to claim that non European immigration is one of the causes for Germany's success, is to seriously rewrite history and stretch the truth.

Shenshen

RichardCeann wrote: »

Is that why Kohl had plans to halve the Turkish population in the 1980s and why they were actively paying guestworkers 10,500 DM to go home? Turkey pressured the Federal Republic to allow its citizens to become guest workers but the German Secretary State for Employment didn't want non Europeans as he did not believe that they were culturally compatible. It wasn't until the Americans intervened and placed pressure on him to allow Turkish guestworkers in that he agreed. Germany most certainly was not a 'melting pot' consisting of non Europeans up until then. To say that it was or to claim that non European immigration is one of the causes for Germany's success, is to seriously rewrite history and stretch the truth.

No, that's why Germany actually changed its laws from the 1980s onwards to allow children born in Germany to parents with legal residency to automatically be German citizens, as well as allowing people who have lived there for a certain period to obtain citizenship.

If Germany wasn't a melting pot, can you explain to me why my own surname is Swedish in origin, or why Russian, Polish, French, Czech and Italian abound in families who have no memory of ever having had a family member who wasn't German?

Yes, the Thai population of the country is indeed still a very small minority, but to assume that there is anything as a "pure" German is ludicrous at best.

Shenshen

timmyntc wrote: »

You're totally correct there, however Germany took in migrants by choice to fill skill shortages in their labor market - they were using migrants for their own growth. Which is fine of course, that's the main benefit of immigration.

What's happening now is not like this however, these people don't have the skills we're looking for - most are unskilled, and the level of English spoken varies from competent to non-existant. These unskilled migrants are being forced upon us and given that our unskilled labor market has next to no shortages/vacancies whatsoever (which is why our youth are emigrating in such large number - no jobs) all these migrants we take in will just add to the already large tally of unemployed, which Irish taxpayers will have to support.

No, what we have right now is not a situation where people are leaving their home country out of choice to find better employment elsewhere.
We've got a situation where people are trying to escape death.
It seems very callous to ask these people their qualification before letting them escape first a war zone and then the horrendous conditions of refugee camps.

timmyntc

Shenshen wrote: »

No, what we have right now is not a situation where people are leaving their home country out of choice to find better employment elsewhere.
We've got a situation where people are trying to escape death.
It seems very callous to ask these people their qualification before letting them escape first a war zone and then the horrendous conditions of refugee camps.

The majority of those coming across the mediterranean are not 'trying to escape death'. Last time I checked there is no war in Senegal, Nigeria, Libya Morocco or Tunisia. Even if those regions might be a bit unstable or dangerous, there is no cull going on. No civil war. No destitute poverty - if there was, how would these people afford to pay smugglers/people traffickers tens of thousands of euros worth of local currency to get smuggled to italy or greece?

Most Syrians have a legitimate claim to Asylum. Although it is unusual that they dont settle in Turkey, nor in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia or Hungary - they all push on to Austria/Germany before claiming asylum. Can you explain that to me?

colourinkjet2

Shenshen wrote: »

No, what we have right now is not a situation where people are leaving their home country out of choice to find better employment elsewhere.

Why not stop in any of the poorer countries.
Obviously they want what is best for themselves as we all would.
The only problem is there are literally billions of people (and billions more still to be born in Africa) who could have a better life in Europe. Where would you draw the line?
1 Million?
10 Million?
100 Million?

Where does it stop? Even if they were all going to be eaten alive by monsters in their own home countries we could not take in everybody who want to come here. Why are we taking in only the ones with the money or strength to get here? If they deserve to be here then surely we should be chartering flights to bring the poorer and weaker ones trapped at home. How many will you take into your house? Will you take double for people like me who don't want to take any at all or do you think I should be forced to pay?

RichardCeann

There are ethnic Germans consisting of five differing Germanic tribes. I note that you people who support open borders are trying to push the narrative that Western and Northern European countries are a 'nation of immigrants'. Especially in Britain.

Britain is a nation of immigrants, with a migrant-built economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/aug/17/migrant-limit-government-greatest-mistake

This is the immigrationist myth. That we are all nations of immigration and that what is currently occurring has been occurring throughout history. It has not. The numbers arriving are unprecedented.

“From 1066 until 1950 immigration was almost non-existent – about 50,000 Huguenots in the 16th and 17th century, about 150,000 Jews in two waves, and perhaps one million or more Irish over 200 years, during which time they were internal migrants within one state.” More immigrants now arrive on British shores in a single year than they did in the entire period from 1066 to 1950, excluding wartime flows and the Irish.

David Goodhart, The British Dream.

Sure, there has always been some movement of people throughout the continent. I am not going to dispute that. But never on this level.

RichardCeann

Shenshen wrote: »

No, what we have right now is not a situation where people are leaving their home country out of choice to find better employment elsewhere.

The Italian Prime Minister Renzi, a left wing politician, stated that 60% of those arriving in Italy are economic migrants. Why are very few claiming asylum in Italy, Macedonia, Serbia, Greece, Hungary or Calais? Genuine refugees aim to get out of a particular country not to get into a particular country.

colourinkjet2

RichardCeann wrote: »

There are ethnic Germans consisting of five differing Germanic tribes. I note that you people who support open borders are trying to push the narrative that Western and Northern European countries are a 'nation of immigrants'. Especially in Britain.

This is the immigrationist myth. That we are all nations of immigration and that what is currently occurring has been occurring throughout history. It has not. The numbers arriving are unprecedented.



David Goodhart, The British Dream.

Sure, there has always been some movement of people throughout the continent. I am not going to dispute that. But never on this level.

The funny thing about the whole nation of immigrants thing the media push is that many of these historical mass immigrations did happen and resulted in the destruction/supression of the native culture. Of course they never want to go into detail about that.

Wibbs

RichardCeann wrote: »

Sure, there has always been some movement of people throughout the continent. I am not going to dispute that. But never on this level.

and never with social support and the welfare state at the end of it either. The Huguenots, Jews etc arrived and had to work or starve. Same for the earlier Irish, Pakistanis and Caribbeans. They were net contributors to the society on a few levels.

AlekSmart

Shenshen wrote: »

No, what we have right now is not a situation where people are leaving their home country out of choice to find better employment elsewhere.
We've got a situation where people are trying to escape death.
It seems very callous to ask these people their qualification before letting them escape first a war zone and then the horrendous conditions of refugee camps.

With respect,it would appear that not alone is this a "Choice" journey for significant numbers of the current migratory flow,but it may also be engineered by elements who'se core beliefs entail the destruction of Western Societal norms.

It would appear that c.20% of the total would be from actual war zones such as Syria,with the remainder from a mix of the "usual countries" who have surfaced at European entry points for decades now.

In short,it would not be untoward to view much of the current influx as a planned invasion,with the young males being little more than footsoldiers for the militant leadership.

What many appear to disregard is a reality that,in order to offer these new arrivals the full benefits of our Western cultures they so earnestly desire,we Westerners will have to embrace a significant reduction in our ordinary day to day standard of living.

Ireland,no more than the EU as a whole does not have the growth or production capability to offer a 3 bed semi,a car,an Ipad/Phone and the rest of what we have managed to provide for ourselves over decades of Labour and Contributions into our systems.

Those who do take a step back can all too readily see how the Migrant flow,if accepted unquestioningly,will do far more damage to Western Europe's fragile structures than a hundred Bomb or Gun attacks.

There are some very astute brains behind this campaign,which by now has gone way beyond any "Humanatarian Crisis".

inforfun

Boring username wrote: »

+1. Just look at how the London Independent are engaging in not-very-subtle propaganda here:

"Whenever you think of migrants arriving in Europe, think of this image"

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/whenever-you-think-of-migrants-arriving-in-europe-think-of-this-image--bJs1WGMpVg?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

Leni Riefenstahl wouldn't get a look in. Just as well nobody reads that leftie rag any more, but I'll still call them out on it.

So it that clear, everyone? You have to automatically associate illegal immigrants with a father and his family from now on. Any other thought is 'wrong'.

Or you have a look at this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVMlmC1HSM

It is getting nicer and nicer

colourinkjet2

Remember all this the next time a politician comes to your door.

RichardCeann

Wibbs wrote: »

and never with social support and the welfare state at the end of it either. The Huguenots, Jews etc arrived and had to work or starve. Same for the earlier Irish, Pakistanis and Caribbeans. They were net contributors to the society on a few levels.

One of the lefts best achievements, the welfare safety net, has now become a fishing net. I do not care what anyone says. You cannot have open borders and a functioning welfare state. All of these people will require long term social housing, education language and cultural classes, medical care, social welfare stipends etc. The welfare state will collapse under the strain.

Europe's left have some big decisions to make. Open borders or the welfare state. Can't have both.

AlekSmart

RichardCeann wrote: »

One of the lefts best achievements, the welfare safety net, has now become a fishing net. I do not care what anyone says. You cannot have open borders and a functioning welfare state. All of these people will require long term social housing, education language and cultural classes, medical care, social welfare stipends etc. The welfare state will collapse under the strain.

Europe's left have some big decisions to make. Open borders or the welfare state. Can't have both.

The real issue is that the migrant influx,who are by now well informed via electronic media,will be demanding the benefits of the Welfare States,and therein lies the crux.

When these States are forced to,either deny full Welfare Access to the newly arrived immigrant,OR substantially reduce the level of Welfare provided to ALL recipients (Including the natives who have contributed throughout their working lives),then we are immediately immersed into a battle between the New Arrivals and the Native Citizenry,which is not something I would like to predict the outcome of.

What we are currently witnessing is an EU trapped by an overtly Liberal dogma,which cannot bear to recognise the reality of it's outcomes.

conorhal

colourinkjet2 wrote: »

Remember all this the next time a politician comes to your door.

I'd love to, but they just don't come near my apartment block any more.
Ironically it's probably because Dublin city center is such a citizen free zone at this stage that politicians don't consider it worth their while knocking on door after door only to be greated by people that either can't vote for them or have no idea what a Fine Gale or Sin Fin is exactly....

colourinkjet2

AlekSmart wrote: »

What we are currently witnessing is an EU trapped by an overtly Liberal dogma,which cannot bear to recognise the reality of it's outcomes.

You hit the nail on the head Alex. Dogma is the right word; much of what we have been hearing from supporters of this sounds like a sermon from a pulpit. Nobody wants to get down into the nitty gritty numbers.

In a perverse way though this could be good for Europe. The stark and accelerated reality of the present situation will eventually overwhelm dogma. The politicians who refuse to deal in reality will eventually be replaced under the weight of reality. Look at the yougov poll in the liberal bastion that is Sweden from last week. If you told me that the Sweden Democrats would be topping polls 10 years ago I'd have said who because like everybody else I'd have no idea who you were talking about.

RichardCeann

colourinkjet2 wrote: »

Remember all this the next time a politician comes to your door.

I am from and a lot of my family still live in Saint Frances' electoral ward. I hope that the dogs are well fed before she knocks!

crockholm

Shenshen wrote: »

No, that's why Germany actually changed its laws from the 1980s onwards to allow children born in Germany to parents with legal residency to automatically be German citizens, as well as allowing people who have lived there for a certain period to obtain citizenship.

If Germany wasn't a melting pot, can you explain to me why my own surname is Swedish in origin, or why Russian, Polish, French, Czech and Italian abound in families who have no memory of ever having had a family member who wasn't German?

Yes, the Thai population of the country is indeed still a very small minority, but to assume that there is anything as a "pure" German is ludicrous at best.

About 13% of Germans have a slavic surname,Nowak the most popular,coming in at about the 130th most common surname in Germany.Your own surname may be to do with the fact that the Swedes controlled Pomerania from about the 1600s to about 1815,it would be unlikely that you were named after one member of Gustavus Adolphus marauding hordes that swept south in the thirty year war.

The various Teutonic and Germanic empires would have crossed into slavic territory in the past,Prag,Leibach,Bresslau,Danzig(contentious),Koningsburg,Pressburg,Pilsen,Horowitz are all names but for the first,would be better known here in their Slavic form,so it is not surprising to find 13% with slavic names.

Ditto for Alsace/Elsass in modern day France,and given that Saarland,in particular Saarbrucken was under French dominion for some of it's history it would not be surprising to find French names there.

WakeUp

AlekSmart wrote: »

The real issue is that the migrant influx,who are by now well informed via electronic media

so informed that if some are to be believed a smuggler review system of some sorts is in place.

said it had cost $1,150 (£730) for the boat trip, with the children paying half, and that the smugglers ran a highly sophisticated operation. “Everything is on the internet. There are Facebook pages in Arabic where you can find all the information: phone numbers for smugglers in every country – even reviews on whether they are a good smuggler or a bad smuggler,” he told Reuters.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/25/migrant-crisis-eu-united-nations-europe-hungary?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/26/hungary-army-border-migrants-serbia?

snubbleste

500 people on a boat off Libya, including 50 dead in the hold http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34066466
Emergency calls for help have been received so far on Wednesday from 10 boats in difficulty around 50 km from the coast of Libya.

custard gannet

Bongalongherb wrote: »

September 2015 is the date for the allowed entry. The government is taking double the amount this time, but when they say double that realistically means treble or higher. A lot of taxpaying citizens Euro's will be flowing into this I'm sure, again.

Have the government actually confirmed that these people will be kept in direct provision until the current social housing list is cleared? Or will they be put to the top of the queue and all put in some place like Leitrim where the local authority has little demand for the homes.

timmyntc

custard gannet wrote: »

Have the government actually confirmed that these people will be kept in direct provision until the current social housing list is cleared? Or will they be put to the top of the queue and all put in some place like Leitrim where the local authority has little demand for the homes.

These people travelled across the Mediterranean to get away from wastelands like Leitrim.

VinLieger

Really looking forward to hearing if the left in Ireland are going to stick with the traditional left theories or swing to the right on this issue it could make for an interesting election issue

RichardCeann

VinLieger wrote: »

Really looking forward to hearing if the left in Ireland are going to stick with the traditional left theories or swing to the right on this issue it could make for an interesting election issue

None of the parties will want this discussed during the run up to the general election. They all want to ignore the elephant in the room for as long as possible. More than half the country are against taking in any quota migrants which goes against all the political parties views on the matter. If immigration becomes an election issue, then things could get uncomfortable for them all. Especially Sinn Fein.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poll-majority-against-taking-in-fleeing-migrants-1.2217564

trashcan

custard gannet wrote: »

Have the government actually confirmed that these people will be kept in direct provision until the current social housing list is cleared? Or will they be put to the top of the queue and all put in some place like Leitrim where the local authority has little demand for the homes.

The hellish and inhumane Direct Provision don't forget. :rolleyes:

JONJO THE MISER

Better hope sinn fein never gets in, we will be swallowed in refugees.

_Kaiser_

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Better hope sinn fein never gets in, we will be swallowed in refugees.

SF won't get in for a few reasons so no fear there...
- They have no idea how to run or promote a country that depends absolutely on FDI and the ability to sell skills to survive
- They think the general population still considers "the North" a primary issue
- Gerry Adams is more of a liability to the party than anything else at this stage

But Richard raises a valid point... what mandate does an outgoing Government, and in particular Minister Fitzgerald (who hasn't exactly excelled in her current or previous brief anyway) have to be committing the citizens and taxpayers of this country to a plan like this without a proper national debate on the issue?

This is even more relevant when you consider that the consequences will only start to be felt after they've left office.

KingBrian2

timmyntc wrote: »

The majority of those coming across the mediterranean are not 'trying to escape death'. Last time I checked there is no war in Senegal, Nigeria, Libya Morocco or Tunisia. Even if those regions might be a bit unstable or dangerous, there is no cull going on. No civil war. No destitute poverty - if there was, how would these people afford to pay smugglers/people traffickers tens of thousands of euros worth of local currency to get smuggled to italy or greece?

Most Syrians have a legitimate claim to Asylum. Although it is unusual that they dont settle in Turkey, nor in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia or Hungary - they all push on to Austria/Germany before claiming asylum. Can you explain that to me?

All those place you initially mentioned are suffering from armed gangs blowing the place to smithereens. Christian or Muslim in Nigeria you are screwed big time.

JONJO THE MISER

Read this article lads, what kind of journalist is this one, same article saying two completely different things.

This is the media we are dealing with here, sheltered from life, they wont have to live in areas or compete for housing or jobs with these so called refugees, instead they can drink there lattes and eat there gluten free bread in cafes in there leafy suburbs.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/martina-devlin/its-time-to-abandon-fortress-europe-and-recognise-the-desperate-plight-of-migrants-31448075.html

Nor are they arriving with the express intention of milking the welfare system, but to escape from conflict and its aftermath. Homes aren't being left behind because they have itchy feet. It's done because they are desperate.

Meanwhile, human cargo arrives in Europe on rickety boats, paying extortionate sums of money in the hopes of a better life

timmyntc

Denmark cuts benefits for asylum seekers in a bid to stem the flow of migrants to the country.

They have also announced they will be advertising the cuts in foreign papers.
The Danish know whats up.

Irish Stones

RichardCeann wrote: »

The Italian Prime Minister Renzi, a left wing politician, stated that 60% of those arriving in Italy are economic migrants.

Rienzi said that though rescuing and giving shelter to tens of thousands of migrants is unpopular, he'd rather saves lives than saving votes from electors.
Would you believe that a politician puts human lives before their interests?

Today's news is that in the next month (September) we're going to receive in excess of 20,000 migrants!!!

FelineOverLord

KingBrian2 wrote: »

All those place you initially mentioned are suffering from armed gangs blowing the place to smithereens. Christian or Muslim in Nigeria you are screwed big time.

Citizens of those countries should be fighting against terrorists, not heading to Europe with the begging bowls out.

timmyntc

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Citizens of those countries should be fighting against terrorists, not heading to Europe with the begging bowls out.

If indeed most of those young 18-24 y/o males who are flooding to europe are infact fleeing war/terrorism, then is it not a bigger tragedy to let them flee? They are the most able-bodied and ready to fight, so if we enable them to flee their countries we are forcing the women and children who cant flee to fend for themselves.

FelineOverLord

timmyntc wrote: »

If indeed most of those young 18-24 y/o males who are flooding to europe are infact fleeing war/terrorism, then is it not a bigger tragedy to let them flee? They are the most able-bodied and ready to fight, so if we enable them to flee their countries we are forcing the women and children who cant flee to fend for themselves.

Most of the young men 18-24 aren't fleeing war/terrorism though, they just want to earn more money. I'm in favour of offering asylum to those people who genuinely need it. There are some news reports where you only have to look at the eyes of the men women and children to know that they have seen atrocities that nobody should ever have to witness. I think a total reform of European Asylum proceedures needs to happen and that claims should be processed quickly and without appeal.

Once a person is approved for asylum they should be taught to speak English or whatever is the common language for the country they have been granted asylum in and the emphasis should be on getting them the skills they need to become productive, integrated members of society who work to provide for themselves. If a claim is refused that applicant should be deported from the country within a month, at most.

snubbleste

http://twitter.com/lindseyhilsum/status/636863756488851456/photo/1

RichardCeann

The Austrian authorities say at least 20 migrants have been found dead in a lorry in the eastern province of Burgenland.

The number of dead could be as high as 50.

The find is reported to have been made on a main road close to the border with Hungary.

Tens of thousands of migrants from conflict-hit states in the Middle East and Africa have been trying to make their way to Europe.

Austrian police said there appeared to be 20 to 50 bodies in the lorry, judging by its size. They described the deaths as a horrible crime.

The vehicle had been there since Wednesday but was not found until early Thursday.

The victims had been dead for some time and the bodies had begun to decompose.

Austria's Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner told a news conference it was a "dark day" and that their thoughts were with the victims and their families.

The tragedy again underlined the urgent need for common European Union policies to protect migrants and to combat people traffickers, she said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34073534

It was a meat truck and they died from carbon monoxide poisoning. A terrible way to go.

Here is the truck: http://i.imgur.com/8TxQlSj.jpg

The meat company is Hyza, a subsidiary company owned by Agrofert. Agrofert is owned by Czech Finance Minister Andrej Babiš. Who, just this week, said:

Babis also said that Schengen's external border should be "immediately" closed and called on the EU to warn migrants' countries of origin that it would take no more.

"It must say: You cannot come to us to be unemployed and take immediately social benefits”, he said.

He added the EU should create a giant camp where economic migrants would be sorted from people in need of protection, especially women and children.

https://euobserver.com/migration/129988

wendell borton

Irish Stones wrote: »

Rienzi said that though rescuing and giving shelter to tens of thousands of migrants is unpopular, he'd rather saves lives than saving votes from electors.
Would you believe that a politician puts human lives before their interests?

Today's news is that in the next month (September) we're going to receive in excess of 20,000 migrants!!!

The last time hoards of refugees flooded across the rhine into roman terrority it didn't turn out too well for them.

FalconGirl

Heartbreaking images on TV of the migrants flooding into Europe through the Balkans corridor. Families, professionals all kinds of people like me and you. The world needs to obliterate ISIS and allow these migrants return to their homeland and rebuild. We will all suffer for it.

WakeUp

inforfun wrote: »

Or you have a look at this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVMlmC1HSM

It is getting nicer and nicer

this lot are in the Roszke area or close to it on the Hungarian Serbian border. yesterday there was a riot in one of the migrant centers apparently some of the migrants took offence at being recorded and they didnt want their finger prints being taken.

Hungarian police were forced to use tear gas against asylum-seekers in the early hours of Wednesday at the registration centre in the settlement of Röszke on the Serbian border as a minor riot erupted when migrant noticed journalists carrying a camera filming them.

The asylum-seekers, who began shouting “We want to go” in English towards the cameras of the all-news channel Hír TV filming on the scene, were sealed off with a defensive formation by police, who later also used tear gas on the crowd. A spokesman for the Csongrád county police directorate told journalists that some 200 people had to be calmed down with tear gas after a number of asylum-seekers became angered by the sight of cameramen filming them from a distance.

http://hungarytoday.hu/news/police-forced-use-tear-gas-minor-riot-breaks-migrant-reception-centre-southern-hungary-62085

In Roszke, the police spokesman said some 200 migrants at the reception center where unrest flared had refused to be fingerprinted, fearing that, as per EU rules, if they are stopped later elsewhere in the EU they will be returned to Hungary as their official point of entry.

My brother is in Sweden,” said one migrant, who declined to be named. “He told me to chop my hands off rather than give my fingerprints to the Hungarians. So we’re trying to find a way to Austria without meeting the Hungarian police.”

Hungary made plans on Wednesday to reinforce its southern border with helicopters, mounted police and dogs, and was also considering using the army as record numbers of migrants, many of them Syrian refugees, passed through coils of razor-wire into Europe.

Hungary, which is part of Europe’s Schengen passport-free travel zone, is building a 3.5-metre high fence along its 175-km (110-mile) border with Serbia, taking a hard line on what right-wing Prime Minister Viktor Orban says is a threat to European security, prosperity and identity.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/26/us-europe-migrants-hungary-idUSKCN0QV0L720150826

the Hungarian government they have basically had enough if you look at the statements they are making and language they are using. they are getting ready to send their army to the border. sooner rather than later the people in this video will be facing off with the Hungarian army should things continue as they are.