Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

johnty56

WakeUp wrote: »

this lot are in the Roszke area or close to it on the Hungarian Serbian border. yesterday there was a riot in one of the migrant centers apparently some of the migrants took offence at being recorded and they didnt want their finger prints being taken.



http://hungarytoday.hu/news/police-forced-use-tear-gas-minor-riot-breaks-migrant-reception-centre-southern-hungary-62085





http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/26/us-europe-migrants-hungary-idUSKCN0QV0L720150826

the Hungarian government they have basically had enough if you look at the statements they are making and language they are using. they are getting ready to send their army to the border. sooner rather than later the people in this video will be facing off with the Hungarian army should things continue as they are.

It is not right that genuine refugees are having to face this. The economic migrants must be stopped at source. If that means camps in Syria or Libya or elsewhere, to determine eligibility then that is what should be done. Cut out the PC bullshiit and turn back the chancers with no comeback and no hesitation or second chances. Europe can, and should help those genuinely in trouble but screw these chancers from all over the world. It is time to call a spade a spade.

A fraction of the people here claiming asylum are likely to be genuine. Keep them in DP, remove the incentives for chancers to come here, deport those found to be bogus immediately and we would have no logistical issues with taking in a couple of thousand genuinely displaced and terrorised people.

. The effort the EU are going to they could just as well send transport for the genuine cases!

inforfun

WakeUp wrote: »

this lot are in the Roszke area or close to it on the Hungarian Serbian border. yesterday there was a riot in one of the migrant centers apparently some of the migrants took offence at being recorded and they didnt want their finger prints being taken.



http://hungarytoday.hu/news/police-forced-use-tear-gas-minor-riot-breaks-migrant-reception-centre-southern-hungary-62085





http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/26/us-europe-migrants-hungary-idUSKCN0QV0L720150826

the Hungarian government they have basically had enough if you look at the statements they are making and language they are using. they are getting ready to send their army to the border. sooner rather than later the people in this video will be facing off with the Hungarian army should things continue as they are.

Pretty sure that crowd give the European economy a nice little boost it needs.
Seems a group full of highly trained and educated people, the ones we all look forward to have in our societies

Means Of Escape

No matter what way people want to paint it the result will always be the same in that mass migration of people with different cultures and ideals like we are seeing is not good for any country full stop.The numbers (that are known)are mindboggling
Any positive spin put on it is a lie . The product of all this is the formation of ghettos , the draining of natural resources,the sapping of finances and the seeds of strife ,resentment and hatred as seen in France ,Germany etc
People then cannot figure out then how militants are spawned in peaceful Europe not realising that the migrants whose dreams didn't materialise in the new country become very dispondent
Looking to their home governments to help them is like talking to a guy in a vest brushing his teeth on a street wall and asking him why his kids are running amok in the background
His answer is a shrug of his shoulders (meaning he doesn't give a rats ass)

Put realistic quotas in place . The technology is there to rapidly process those who have arrived. Photograph and fingerprint all.Deport undesirables . Announce the closing of all ports in the Mediteranean to all migrants . Return those picked up no exceptions .

It's probably time that the EU states introduce a single ID card for all EU citizens with retinal scans as the foundation security marker .

twinytwo

FalconGirl wrote: »

Heartbreaking images on TV of the migrants flooding into Europe through the Balkans corridor. Families, professionals all kinds of people like me and you. The world needs to obliterate ISIS and allow these migrants return to their homeland and rebuild. We will all suffer for it.

You miss the major problem.... they will never go home

AlekSmart

twinytwo wrote: »

You miss the major problem.... they will never go home

With many of these individual male migrants being of Military age,it's fair bet that significant numbers of this influx are trained soldiers anyway.

You are indeed correct on the "going home" issue,because many of these groups have decided that Europe,whether it likes it or not,IS their new home.

However,they will soon begin the process of making their "New Home" as close as possible to their old home....any betting on how that process will pan out ?

RichardCeann

Hundreds more feared dead as a migrant boat capsized off the Libyan coast.

Hundreds of people are feared dead after two boats carrying up to 500 migrants capsized off the Libyan city of Zuwara, residents and officials say.

The first boat, which signalled for help early on Thursday, had nearly 50 people on board.

The second, which sank much later, had as many as 400 passengers.

The Libyan coastguard is still conducting a rescue operation for that boat, but most of those who were on board are feared dead.

At least 100 bodies were taken to a hospital in Zuwara, west of Tripoli, a resident told the BBC.

The victims included migrants from Syria, Bangladesh and several sub-Saharan African countries, the resident said, but the information could not be independently verified.

About 2,400 migrants have died trying to cross the sea to Europe so far this year, the UN says.

On Wednesday, the bodies of at least 51 people were found in the hold of a stricken ship off the coast of Libya.

A Swedish coastguard ship carrying the bodies as well as more than 400 survivors docked in the port of Palermo, Sicily, on Thursday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34082304

recedite

inforfun wrote: »

Pretty sure that crowd give the European economy a nice little boost it needs.
Seems a group full of highly trained and educated people, the ones we all look forward to have in our societies

I presume you mean the alleged IT guy from Homs.

Rabie Hajouk, a 29-year-old IT engineer who said he was from the devastated Syrian city of Homs, told Reuters: "It's not for money or for food, it's for freedom, freedom of mind, for education.”

His home city is probably the worst hit in Syria, completely devastated after years of bombardment, but he cares not for food, shelter or water. Only freedom. Very strange. Its almost like he is telling the reporter whatever it is he thinks they would most want to report.

He is a highly qualified IT specialist. Strange then that he didn't notice on the interweb that he could get a work permit for Ireland under this program, as his profession is on The Highly Skilled Eligible Occupations List. He could have flown into Dublin Airport and gone straight to a job interview, instead of crawling under the razor wire in Hungary and camping out in the woods.

And that crowd who were rioting and shouting Allahu Akbar at the Hungarian border police...nothing to do with him.

7upfree

recedite wrote: »

I presume you mean the alleged IT guy from Homs.His home city is probably the worst hit in Syria, completely devastated after years of bombardment, but he cares not for food, shelter or water. Only freedom. Very strange. Its almost like he is telling the reporter whatever it is he thinks they would most want to report.

He is a highly qualified IT specialist. Strange then that he didn't notice on the interweb that he could get a work permit for Ireland under this program, as his profession is on The Highly Skilled Eligible Occupations List. He could have flown into Dublin Airport and gone straight to a job interview, instead of crawling under the razor wire in Hungary and camping out in the woods.

And that crowd who were rioting and shouting Allahu Akbar at the Hungarian border police...nothing to do with him.

Sheer madness. Future generations will pay dearly for all of this.

Jinonatron

Truck load of dead refugees found in Austria. Horrible way to go.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/up-to-50-migrants-suffocated-in-truck-found-in-austria-1.2330688

I think they should all be bought first class tickets to places like the US and the UK who are directly responsible for creating an incubator for the likes of ISIS through their wars founded on lies.

Bongalongherb

I remember about 10 years ago driving into a Dublin business complex to collect a computer and other electronic accessories, The friend driver didn't have room in the front of this box-van to hold the gear safely with myself so I decided to stay in the back carriage holding the computer and monitor so that it wouldn't get damaged or scrapped.

Little did I know that this box-van had air-tight sealing. After 20 minutes of driving in the back of this box-van I felt weightlessness and dizzy and then panic, I was basically not getting air at all and had to bang the hell out of the van on the drivers side to alert him, even though he had the music loud he pulled over and opened the back and I will tell you I fell out of it when the air hit me.

I can understand the fright/fear of losing air, Nasty way to go, not nice at all. The thing of nightmares.

RichardCeann

A lot of deaths today. What a fine mess we have on our hands here. You cancel mare nostrum, lots drown. You set up organised search and rescue attempts, the traffickers send them out in barely fit for purpose vessels and even more drown.

Disaster either way.

The Swedish Minister for Immigration has said that the UK will be 'forced' to take their 'fair share'. I guess that goes for us too.

Britain will eventually be forced by the European Union to take its fair share of migrants, Sweden’s immigration minister has warned.

Refugees coming to Europe will at some point have to be divided amongst all EU member states - including the UK - according to population, GDP and unemployment level, as proposed by the European Commission in May, Morgan Johansson, the justice and migration minister told the Telegraph.

"Every country that is a part of the EU should do their share, and that goes for everyone,” he said. "Sooner or later there will be a mechanism that makes it compulsory for all countries to do their share, because that’s the way Europe works."

Sweden takes in more refugees per head that any other EU country, with over 8,400 applicants per million people in 2014, compared to less than 500 applicants per million to the UK.

“When the UK is not doing their share, that creates bigger problems for the rest of us,” he said.

"I can compare it to the Irish approach. They also have the possibility to opt out if they want to, but at the meeting we had this summer, they said, ‘we don’t have to do this, but we are ready nevertheless to take this responsibility’. They did that in order to make it easier for the rest of us."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11828019/Britain-will-be-forced-to-take-fair-share-of-refugees-Swedish-minister-warns.html

I thought that immigration was a boon for a country? The Swedish government say it is a benefit economically, culturally and socially. So I don't understand why he is now making it out as if it is a burden. If immigration is so great then surely other countries should be happy that the UK is exercising its opt out.

Meanwhile, in Sweden, the refugees themselves are wondering if Sweden took too many in:

Just under an hour's drive to the southwest of the Swedish capital, Stockholm, is the town of Södertälje.

It is a place where the openness of Sweden's policy on immigration is palpable but so too are the strains and tensions it is causing.

More than 10,000 of Södertälje's residents have roots in Iraq. Nearly 8,000 are from Syria.

Last year, this country of just nine million people accepted 85,000 refugees. This year, its government says it plans to take in 100,000.

A spike in refugees from Syria arriving in Södertälje over the past four years correlates directly with the timeline of Syria's grim and ongoing civil war.

Sweden is unique in its policy of granting every Syrian who makes it here automatic residency.

Regardless of the fact that most arrive illegally and with the help of traffickers or smugglers, they are given a grant for housing and state-funded education.

It is putting a strain on public services and, predictably, it is boosting the popularity of political parties far to the right of the traditional mainstream.

But we found something far less predictable: immigrants, now settled in Södertälje, who are themselves now questioning if Sweden has gone too far.

Afrum Yakoub arrived in Sweden in 1989. He gives Sky News a drive-by tour of the town. We pass a community centre, a restaurant and a high school.

"This school, you see, it has around 500 students but I think there's only one ethnically Swedish student," he says.

"That's a problem because integration is impossible. The immigrant children can't integrate, can't learn Swedish language and culture."

Mr Yakoub makes clear that he believes the Swedish government policies are laudable.

But he thinks the 'surge' of people from the Middle East has its consequences.

Refugees are not able to assimilate properly into Sweden. The result is an increasingly divided society which serves no one.

Next to the town hall in Södertälje is the Elafskolan School.

It opened last year to support the growing numbers of Assyrian Christians fleeing persecution in Syria.

It is the only school of its kind outside Syria and it has already outgrown its premises.

http://news.sky.com/story/1542262/swedens-tolerance-tested-by-migrant-surge

crockholm

RichardCeann wrote: »

A lot of deaths today. What a fine mess we have on our hands here. You cancel mare nostrum, lots drown. You set up organised search and rescue attempts, the traffickers send them out in barely fit for purpose vessels and even more drown.

Disaster either way.

The Swedish Minister for Immigration has said that the UK will be 'forced' to take their 'fair share'. I guess that goes for us too.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11828019/Britain-will-be-forced-to-take-fair-share-of-refugees-Swedish-minister-warns.html

I thought that immigration was a boon for a country? The Swedish government say it is a benefit economically, culturally and socially. So I don't understand why he is now making it out as if it is a burden. If immigration is so great then surely other countries should be happy that the UK is exercising its opt out.

Meanwhile, in Sweden, the refugees themselves are wondering if Sweden took too many in:





http://news.sky.com/story/1542262/swedens-tolerance-tested-by-migrant-surge

I used to live there:),can't say I miss it;)

RichardCeann

crockholm wrote: »

I used to live there:),can't say I miss it;)

They have voluntarily chosen their path. They can get lost if they think they can force the rest of us to follow them down the rabbit hole.

Merkel is reportedly unhappy with us and says we could be doing more. We have already waived our opt out. When the 10 accession states joined the EU back in the summer of '04, only ourselves, the British and Swedes gave the new EU citizens complete access to our labour market. Hundred of thousands came. Germany didn't open their borders to them until 2011 and implemented a work permit scheme.

Now they are calling for 'EU solidarity'. They have short memories.

German chancellor Angela Merkel has reportedly singled out Ireland as one of three countries not taking enough refugees in the migrant crisis.


Ms Merkel was last night in Austria attending a conference of European leaders on migration. It was in Austria where the grim discovery of up to 50 dead migrants on a truck was made earlier in the day.
According to Channel 4 News, Ms Merkel said EU countries should distribute the refugees among them according to the countries’ wealth and she singled out Ireland, Denmark and Britain for not participating in such a programme. The three countries have an opt-out from a quota scheme for housing migrants.
While being praised internationally for the rescue efforts of the naval service, the Irish Government has been urged by aid agencies to increase its intake of Syrian and Eritrean migrants, which is set at 600 people over the next two years.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/merkel-says-ireland-is-not-doing-enough-in-migrant-crisis-350714.html

No thanks, Angela.

JONJO THE MISER

Doc now on RTE1 about Gaddafi, the American voice over says he unleashed hell on a beautiful people, and what about the yanks and what they have done in the middle east, Gaddafi is laughing from beyond now because he was right, as he said without him Europe would be over ran with refugees and islamic fundamentalists.

BlaasForRafa

RichardCeann wrote: »

The Swedish Minister for Immigration has said that the UK will be 'forced' to take their 'fair share'. I guess that goes for us too.

No-one can be forced to take anyone and if they try it with the UK then they can say goodbye to any chance of the brits voting yes to stay in the EU when the referendum eventually rolls around.

Ireland and Britain are lucky in that we don't have land borders with the rest of the EU, it would be stupid and irresponsible to take any more but it would take balls for our leaders to say no to the germans and that just isn't Enda's style, the man has never shown an ounce of backbone when it comes to to the EU.

As for the Swedes, they're just complete idiots when it comes to immigration.

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Doc now on RTE1 about Gaddafi, the American voice over says he unleashed hell on a beautiful people, and what about the yanks and what they have done in the middle east, Gaddafi is laughing from beyond now because he was right, as he said without him Europe would be over ran with refugees and islamic fundamentalists.

It seems to be an unfortunate truth about many muslim countries that it takes a strongman tyrant type to keep a lid on tensions, internecine-strife and fundamentalism. People like Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam and the rest may be odious but they seem to be preferable to the alternative.

JONJO THE MISER

Gaddafi would of kept islamic state at bay in Libya, tough rule is needed in the islamic world.

FalconGirl

Merkels tone sounds like she is going to bully us into taking in more migrants than we need. No doubt master Enda will abide.

FalconGirl

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Gaddafi would of kept islamic state at bay in Libya, tough rule is needed in the islamic world.

The US should be forced by Europe to take some of these migrants considering their role in the turmoil.

old_aussie

With all these unskilled migrants entering the EU, the EU will soon be like the Middle East and North Africa...F*CKED.

They will bring the problems of the Middle East to the EU.

Fix the problem in the ME, not in the EU.

First thing they will be a drain on the financial resources of the EU and the they will want demand sharia law.

The Middle East's main problems are religiously driven, no one group can live with the other and as soon as they don't get their way they turn to violence and polarize the country.

Matt Holck

that and all the weapons the US threw at their feet

can a lizard shot a gun ?

as if skill was a need the econmy needs from us

it can function with10% of the work force

that's why we live in cities instead of farms

JustTheOne

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Doc now on RTE1 about Gaddafi, the American voice over says he unleashed hell on a beautiful people, and what about the yanks and what they have done in the middle east, Gaddafi is laughing from beyond now because he was right, as he said without him Europe would be over ran with refugees and islamic fundamentalists.

I remember them showing footage on sky news of him been captured and beaten.

All the reporters in the studio and analysts laughing and chuckling saying its a great day for democracy.

These people are paid to say this stuff.

Scary how such huge decisions are taken by idiots up top and we pay down the line.

Matt Holck

money enters the system by workers paid by those with money

than filters back to them through the long path of the market, rent and interest

Irish Stones

FalconGirl wrote: »

Heartbreaking images on TV of the migrants flooding into Europe through the Balkans corridor. Families, professionals all kinds of people like me and you. The world needs to obliterate ISIS and allow these migrants return to their homeland and rebuild. We will all suffer for it.

Even if ISIS was defeated and erased, those migrants would never go back home, they hate us and our way of life but over here money is easier to get and they can live without the need to wake up early in the morning.

Irish Stones

RichardCeann wrote: »

Merkel is reportedly unhappy with us and says we could be doing more.

Merkel said the same thing to us Italians, we should do more, she's unhappy with Italian efforts in this issue.

The_Kew_Tour

Very sad to see what is happening, but we should be dam proud of the efforts of our Navy, saving thousands of lives

Take a bow!

conorhal

Irish Stones wrote: »

Merkel said the same thing to us Italians, we should more, she's unhappy with Italian efforts in this issue.

Sod her. Germany it seems is only keen on 'burden sharing' when it effects them, well I suggest we show Germany no more or less 'solidarity in a crisis' then they showed Ireland. If Germany wants to burn her own house down that's her business, but only a moron would copy them.

Something tells me that if the primary destination for migrants was Southern rather then Northern Europe mammy Merlel wouldn't give a toss. Germany is happy to close ranks in it's own self interest when it suits. They didn't open their boarders to give access to accession states when we did because the German economy was still recovering from reunification. So if Germany is acting in it's own self interest, we should be doing the same, sadly I suspect that gobsheen Enda will probably go looking for another pat on the head.

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RichardCeann

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Very sad to see what is happening, but we should be dam proud of the efforts of our Navy, saving thousands of lives

Take a bow!

Proud that our navy is doing the traffickers work for them and ferrying the migrants across the med?

Nodin

Irish Stones wrote: »

Even if ISIS was defeated and erased, those migrants would never go back home, they hate us and our way of life but over here money is easier to get and they can live without the need to wake up early in the morning.

Good use of your mass mind reading skills there.

conorhal

RichardCeann wrote: »

Proud that our navy is doing the traffickers work for them and ferrying the migrants across the med?

Perhaps they should look for a tase of the action? If the navy were getting a couple of grand per immigrant they dropped in Italy we might even manage to recover some of that money we owe Germany!

RichardCeann

Jean-Claude Juncker has said he’ll back EU visa-free travel for Ukrainians by the end of the year, despite the political climate on migration.

The European Commmission president made the announcement alongside Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko in Brussels on Thursday (26 August).

Juncker: 'I don’t doubt for a second the member states will approve visa-free travel' (Photo: ec.europa.eu)

“The commission intends to propose, by the end of the year, visa-liberalisation, but the [final] decision has to be made by member states”, he told press.

He spoke of Ukraine’s “enormous progress” on technical compliance, such as electronic border checks, and readmission protocols.

He said the “main point” left to tick off is anti-corruption reforms.

When asked if the migrant crisis might generate ill-will on visas in EU capitals, he said: “Because of the commission’s positive assessment, given the progress in Ukraine, I don’t doubt for a second the member states will approve visa-free travel. There’s no link between visa-free travel, as far as Ukraine is concerned, and the migration issue”.

https://euobserver.com/foreign/130020

Do these guys not spend tens of thousands on PR? Europe is suffering a huge migrant crisis. Announce plans to further open our borders. His timing is impeccable.

I would rather the title were changed to reflect the reality, it's a humanitarian crisis, not some mere migration crisis for the countries that accept these people...

The distressing image that is being shared a lot on social media today, a Syrian mother desperately fights to keep her baby's head above water after a boat capsizes in the Med.

http://i.imgur.com/lyD5XVw.jpg

RichardCeann

Deleted User wrote: »

I would rather the title were changed to reflect the reality, it's a humanitarian crisis, not some mere migration crisis for the countries that accept these people...

Humanitarian crisis, migration crisis, call it whatever the hell you want. How do you solve it? You stop Mare Nostrum, lots drown. You start search and rescue operations outside of EU waters, the traffickers push them out in barely seaworthy rust buckets and even more drown.

There are only two ways that you will stop people drowning. By either providing a ferry service from shore and taking the human traffickers completely out of the equation. Or by ensuring that each and every person that comes by boat gets a medical check, warm food/drink/clothing and gets sent right on back. Each and every one of them. The message would soon get out that if you come illegally by boat, you will not get to stay.

johnty56

Deleted User wrote: »

I would rather the title were changed to reflect the reality, it's a humanitarian crisis, not some mere migration crisis for the countries that accept these people...

The distressing image that is being shared a lot on social media today, a Syrian mother desperately fights to keep her baby's head above water after a boat capsizes in the Med.

http://i.imgur.com/lyD5XVw.jpg

I have to say, that initially looked like a rather distressing image, especially when primed by your tagline, until I actually looked properly at it and noticed that it doesn't appear to be a baby at all, but rather a bunch of clothes or something of the sort strapped together??
Surely if it was a baby the person holding the camera would be helping.. not taking a photo of another person in mortal danger?

snubbleste

Deleted User wrote: »

I would rather the title were changed to reflect the reality, it's a humanitarian crisis, not some mere migration crisis for the countries that accept these people...
The distressing image that is being shared a lot on social media today, a Syrian mother desperately fights to keep her baby's head above water after a boat capsizes in the Med.
http://i.imgur.com/lyD5XVw.jpg

Would you have a different opinion if it was a 25 year old man

crockholm

RichardCeann wrote: »

They have voluntarily chosen their path. They can get lost if they think they can force the rest of us to follow them down the rabbit hole.

Merkel is reportedly unhappy with us and says we could be doing more. We have already waived our opt out. When the 10 accession states joined the EU back in the summer of '04, only ourselves, the British and Swedes gave the new EU citizens complete access to our labour market. Hundred of thousands came. Germany didn't open their borders to them until 2011 and implemented a work permit scheme.

Now they are calling for 'EU solidarity'. They have short memories



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/merkel-says-ireland-is-not-doing-enough-in-migrant-crisis-350714.html

No thanks, Angela.

I meant that I used to live in Sodertalje.From the outside,it looks like the perfect Swedish city 80-90,000 inhabitants,35km from Stockholm city centre,20km from the suburbs.Global HQ of Scania,employing nearly 10,000 people directly,AstraZeneca employing a further 2-3,000.Great road (motorway) and rail links to the capital.
Despite all this there is a moribund stench from the town,"White flight" once thought of as something from the 1960s urban USA,is in full flow there,15% unemployment,local business stifled due to a tax imposed by an ethnic mafia,high crime rate,running battles between Christian and Muslim youths.
The city has become a by-word for what is wrong with Sweden.

humanji

johnty56 wrote: »

Surely if it was a baby the person holding the camera would be helping.. not taking a photo of another person in mortal danger?

You'd think that, but take a look at some of the famous photos from history and they're of people in need of help while the photographer was concentrating on getting the perfect prize-winning picture.

johnty56

humanji wrote: »

You'd think that, but take a look at some of the famous photos from history and they're of people in need of help while the photographer was concentrating on getting the perfect prize-winning picture.

And that unfortunately is part of the human condition- people will use situations to further their own ends, much as is happening now in the Med. A genuine crisis in Syria is being used to further the agenda of those that would see mass immigration for their own purposes- a weird mix of leftists and ultra capitalists, happy to get into bed together for as long as it suits them

johnty56

johnty56 wrote: »

Surely if it was a baby the person holding the camera would be helping.. not taking a photo of another person in mortal danger?

Oh maybe. Perhaps it is all a scam and it's someone swimming off Myrtle Beach for all we know. I am only passing on how it is being presented, I am not saying anything as to its veracity.

Either way, I accept that there is a humanitarian crisis and we should do everything to assist, and I don't blame the photographers for showing us that.

SeanW

inforfun wrote: »

Or you have a look at this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVMlmC1HSM

It is getting nicer and nicer

They couldn't even wait to get settled before they started with their version of the Nuremberg rallies :rolleyes:

Kerry542

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would rather the title were changed to reflect the reality, it's a humanitarian crisis, not some mere migration crisis for the countries that accept these people...

The distressing image that is being shared a lot on social media today, a Syrian mother desperately fights to keep her baby's head above water after a boat capsizes in the ..

Well if europe took some leadership on this, and adopted a system similar to the australians, where they stop the boats. Then it will stop the migrants from risking their lives and eventually the boats will stop coming. As long as they know there is a good chance of them been rescued at sea and brought to italy. They will keep coming and the traffickers will continue to make money

johnty56

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh maybe. Perhaps it is all a scam and it's someone swimming off Myrtle Beach for all we know. I am only passing on how it is being presented, I am not saying anything as to its veracity.

Either way, I accept that there is a humanitarian crisis and we should do everything to assist, and I don't blame the photographers for showing us that.

It is quite possible that the way such images are presented is designed to influence public opinion in Europe to the migrant crisis that exists now, and also to future migration, is it not?

Take a look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Gz_iTuRMM

Priming and presentation are everything:)

WakeUp

inforfun wrote: »

Or you have a look at this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVMlmC1HSM

It is getting nicer and nicer

Pretty sure that crowd give the European economy a nice little boost it needs.
Seems a group full of highly trained and educated people, the ones we all look forward to have in our societies

you couldnt really make it up. thousands of angry rage faced fighting age males I mean look at them and look at the carry on of them with what appear to be Pakistani flags rolling up the border of a right wing European country and behaving like that. theres something not right about that. whatever happens that lot are going phucking nowhere. the border police will keep them where they are and keep things together. wait for the army to get there.

rgossip30

The future is unfolding that any conflict in the world will see migrants entering the EU. This situation will not change in the short term and continue to increase .

RichardCeann

WakeUp wrote: »

you couldnt really make it up. thousands of angry rage faced fighting age males I mean look at them and look at the carry on of them with what appear to be Pakistani flags rolling up the border of a right wing European country and behaving like that. theres something not right about that. whatever happens that lot are going phucking nowhere. the border police will keep them where they are and keep things together. wait for the army to get there.

Put them up in the neighbourhoods of those calling on Europe to open her borders to the world. See how quick they change their tune then.

We have an opt out in place, agreed to waive it and still Merkel criticised us for not 'taking our share'. We are very eager to be seen to be as a nice, happy, friendly, compliant people. Image is everything to Paddy and we have an innate desire to be liked and seen as grand lads altogether. So the 600 we agreed to take in will likely to be increased now that 'herself' has criticised us.

custard gannet

RichardCeann wrote: »

Merkel is reportedly unhappy with us and says we could be doing more. We have already waived our opt out. When the 10 accession states joined the EU back in the summer of '04, only ourselves, the British and Swedes gave the new EU citizens complete access to our labour market. Hundred of thousands came. Germany didn't open their borders to them until 2011 and implemented a work permit scheme.

Now they are calling for 'EU solidarity'. They have short memories.

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In fairness that was purely the fault of the government, not the eu. We could have put those restrictions in if the government had wanted it.

[url]Http://www.Irishtimes.Com/news/restrictions-on-new-eu-workers-may-be-needed-fg-1.969653[/url]

RichardCeann

custard gannet wrote: »

In fairness that was purely the fault of the government, not the eu. We could have put those restrictions in if the government had wanted it.

[URL]Http://www.Irishtimes.Com/news/restrictions-on-new-eu-workers-may-be-needed-fg-1.969653[/URL]

I am aware of that. But it is a bit rich of the Germans, who kept restrictions on EU citizens in place for seven years, to be now calling for EU solidarity.

Dohnjoe

crockholm wrote: »

I meant that I used to live in Sodertalje.From the outside,it looks like the perfect Swedish city 80-90,000 inhabitants,35km from Stockholm city centre,20km from the suburbs.Global HQ of Scania,employing nearly 10,000 people directly,AstraZeneca employing a further 2-3,000.Great road (motorway) and rail links to the capital.
Despite all this there is a moribund stench from the town,"White flight" once thought of as something from the 1960s urban USA,is in full flow there,15% unemployment,local business stifled due to a tax imposed by an ethnic mafia,high crime rate,running battles between Christian and Muslim youths.
The city has become a by-word for what is wrong with Sweden.

Surely the high rate of unemployment is because one third of the entire town's population is made up of Middle Eastern immigrants, many of whom are still learning the local language

The town also receives 3 times as many refugees as the national average

RichardCeann

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Surely the high rate of unemployment is because one third of the entire town's population is made up of Middle Eastern immigrants, many of whom are still learning the local language

The town also receives 3 times as many refugees as the national average

49.8% of all non EU citizens resident in the country are not working or engaged in a language or educational course.

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/social-europe-jobs/non-eu-citizens-twice-likely-be-unemployed-303834

Some groups in Ireland fare even worse than the non EU average in Sweden. A lot of EU countries, including the aforementioned, immigration policies are more charitable than in the nations interest.

Dohnjoe

RichardCeann wrote: »

49.8% of all non EU citizens resident in the country are not working or engaged in a language or educational course.

I can't find that part where it makes reference to the language/educational course

Interesting to see that more non-EU citizens are employed than nationals in countries like Italy and Czech Republic

RichardCeann

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I can't find that part where it makes reference to the language/educational course

Those in education are not considered unemployed. To be considered unemployed one must be able, actively searching and free to take up employment. A shit ton of non EU citizens are registered with Swedish language classes so they are not considered unemployed. They are in education. Get paid to go to classes too. You can spend years doing the classes.