Diversity officer in UK - "Women of colour can't be racist or sexist"

osarusan

Maguined wrote: »

She is already a full graduate, I just looked up the student unions website and yup she is paid 22k GBP to do her job.

http://www.goldsmithssu.org/representation/elections/positions/fulltime/

Hopefully not for much longer.

Duggy747

Diversity officer bans black people and women from conference.

Internet would have a meltdown at this.

I've known some people who've had the exact same approach as her, fully believing that you cannot be racist or sexist towards white men.

The mental gymnastics they do to twist the definition of racism to fit their own view is just astonishing to witness. The sheer hypocrisy that they would say things like "you can't just define racism to whatever you want" while literally seconds later doing it themselves.

Those people standing behind her need to have a good look at themselves and what they think they stand for.

folamh

Anyone who thinks that misandry and reverse racism are meaningful concepts is a reactionary.

jackofalltrades

Good to see that 96.7% of people who voted in this poll disagree with her.

Sick and tired of "activists" changing the definition of words to suit their agenda.

DeVore

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Another World War would put an end to this nonsense

Yes but another world war would also put an end to just about everything else too.

Wibbs

Duggy747 wrote: »

The mental gymnastics they do to twist the definition of racism to fit their own view is just astonishing to witness. The sheer hypocrisy that they would say things like "you can't just define racism to whatever you want" while literally seconds later doing it themselves.

These neo hippies are a charm for this kinda thing. Ditto with labels. They decry all labelling yet manage to invent a legion more outa thin air/their fundaments. When you see terms like "non-binary"… WTF. Time to bail out.

Those people standing behind her need to have a good look at themselves and what they think they stand for.

In fairness D they're in the main young college age kids only just left the nest coming into what can be a rarified atmosphere depending on which group they get attached to and what course they choose to do. You're going to see far more of this in social studies type degrees than in science degrees. Nature of the beast.

In US campuses where this stuff can get to ridiculous levels they're egged on by the various social studies teaching staff. Penn and Teller had a great expose on the level of nonsense over there. It's here on youtube May not be safe for work. It's a few years old now and it's as bad if not worse these days. Check out this from only the other day. A newly minted member of the teaching staff who among other things had a mind dump with "white masculinity is THE problem for America's colleges.". Cue "rape culture" in 3…2…1… Apparently the university has officially described the outbursts as "hurtful". Can you imagine the shítstorm if a white man or woman for that matter had expressed similar opinions? Good luck with keeping the job.

Wibbs

folamh wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that misandry and reverse racism are meaningful concepts is a reactionary.

Here we go… That's not an argument, it's the go to response that translates as "if you question our dogma you're a [insert IST!! here]" and is designed to shut down any debate. Never mind that your position is clearly false and demonstrably so on a few levels.

awec

Fcuking students...

Wibbs

awec wrote: »

Fcuking students...

:pac:

Carlos Orange

Wibbs wrote: »

Here we go… That's not an argument, it's the go to response that translates as "if you question our dogma you're a [insert IST!! here]" and is designed to shut down any debate. Never mind that your position is clearly false and demonstrably so on a few levels.

Reverse racism isn't a meaningful concept. You have racism. If you flip it around you still have racism. It is like magic.

silverfeather

awec wrote: »

Fcuking students...

Going on to learn stuff......

silverfeather

Wibbs wrote: »

Here we go… That's not an argument, it's the go to response that translates as "if you question our dogma you're a [insert IST!! here]" and is designed to shut down any debate. Never mind that your position is clearly false and demonstrably so on a few levels.

You do come across as simply a reactionary.

silverfeather

DeVore wrote: »

Yes but another world war would also put an end to just about everything else too.

Let's just settle on the fact she is a moron. It might save lives.

Wibbs

silverfeather wrote: »

You do come across as simply a reactionary.

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word.

Pumpkinseeds

Someone should kill her with fire before she spawns.:D

Sleepy

silverfeather wrote: »

We should lock her and katie hopkins in a wardrobe and make them kiss.

Can I suggest an air-tight wardrobe?

MagicMarker

She has a black person holding the mic for her... RACIST!!

Greenmachine

Thank god the consensus is against her. I was beginning to think the world was gone mad. She is not the first to suggest that a member of a minority group can't be sexist or racist. Baffling how people can be so daft. She even spoke in a derogatory manner to a fellow student, through social media as a representative of her college. She should be dragged out by the ears.

RDM_83 again

Greenmachine wrote: »

Thank god the consensus is against her. I was beginning to think the world was gone mad. She is not the first to suggest that a member of a minority group can't be sexist or racist. Baffling how people can be so daft. She even spoke in a derogatory manner to a fellow student, through social media as a representative of her college. She should be dragged out by the ears.

UCL SU is backing her, and thats a big college

Maguined

Greenmachine wrote: »

Thank god the consensus is against her. I was beginning to think the world was gone mad. She is not the first to suggest that a member of a minority group can't be sexist or racist. Baffling how people can be so daft. She even spoke in a derogatory manner to a fellow student, through social media as a representative of her college. She should be dragged out by the ears.

It will be a great follow up if she does get kicked out with a No Confidence vote. I can hear her righteous indignation now "this was not a democratic vote as democracy requires equal representation and since minorities do not have as much voting power I do not recognise democracy unless all minority votes count as equal to 100 white-cis-male votes. Only then will we have true equality and democratic representation."

awec

silverfeather wrote: »

Going on to learn stuff......

As a relatively recent student myself (5 years ago) I found that a lot of students are actually insufferable dickheads.

Student Unions attract the most annoying of these, they swarm to their SU like flies swarm around a freshly laid shite.

If you are capable of annoying people every time you make a sound then you'll probably get elected to these positions within the SU and then might walk around with the delusion that you are actually important. Election also depends on what clubs or societies you attend and how many of your mates will bother getting out of bed in the morning to go and vote for you.

FTA69

This is gas like. I work as a trade union organiser and politically would be considered far-left. Part of my job is to try and take groups of working-class people, organise them and then get them to fight for better conditions etc. In other words, it's a process of trying to create actual concrete change. Now, some might oppose unions etc but if you're of a left-wing perspective then organising workers is where it's at.

However, people like this young one simply view the badge of being left-wing as part of their identity as opposed to being actually concerned with getting out there and trying to create real change. They're far happier immersing themselves in some academic bubble and hobnobbing with fellow self-aggrandisers about how great and enlightened they are. I know lots of these people in London and the look of bemusement on their faces when Labour got hammered was unreal, they're just divorced from real people.

They're great to talk sh*te and back-slap but ask them to stand at a factory gate at 6am in the cold or go and speak to a load of bus-drivers in a canteen in South London and they'd be lost. Their talk of "paradigms and heteronormativity" wouldn't cut the mustard with a load of middle-aged women in an Essex cake factory either. They probably know this too though, so are far more comfortable in the universities than out in the real world with the uncouth plebs.

osarusan

FTA69 wrote: »

They're far happier immersing themselves in some academic bubble and hobnobbing with fellow self-aggrandisers about how great and enlightened they are.

Ideological bubble more than an academic one I'd say, where they can invent or exaggerate threats and enemies they must nobly do battle against.

who the fug

DeVore wrote: »

Yes but another world war would also put an end to just about everything else too.

Yeah, but it could be in a cool Max Max way

awec

FTA69 wrote: »

This is gas like. I work as a trade union organiser and politically would be considered far-left. Part of my job is to try and take groups of working-class people, organise them and then get them to fight for better conditions etc. In other words, it's a process of trying to create actual concrete change. Now, some might oppose unions etc but if you're of a left-wing perspective then organising workers is where it's at.

However, people like this young one simply view the badge of being left-wing as part of their identity as opposed to being actually concerned with getting out there and trying to create real change. They're far happier immersing themselves in some academic bubble and hobnobbing with fellow self-aggrandisers about how great and enlightened they are. I know lots of these people in London and the look of bemusement on their faces when Labour got hammered was unreal, they're just divorced from real people.

They're great to talk sh*te and back-slap but ask them to stand at a factory gate at 6am in the cold or go and speak to a load of bus-drivers in a canteen in South London and they'd be lost. Their talk of "paradigms and heteronormativity" wouldn't cut the mustard with a load of middle-aged women in an Essex cake factory either. They probably know this too though, so are far more comfortable in the universities than out in the real world with the uncouth plebs.

Exactly. They are bullsh*tters. Student Unions are full of them.

They are people just looking out for themselves. Trying to make a name for themselves on the stage that a SU provides. Most of them are never heard from again post-graduation, once they get out into the real world and realise they spent their student life talking bollocks.

OneArt

silverfeather wrote: »

Her background is Turkish I think but I'm not certain.

It'd be quite funny if she were Turkish.

Turks and Arabs are also classified as Caucasians, hell, quite a few of them have blue eyes and blond hair.

Racist cow.

suicide_circus

Gawwd yeah, sure I was on a business trip to Lagos and the whole society was totes black-orientated, I felt so oppressed.

FTA69

osarusan wrote: »

Ideological bubble more than an academic one I'd say, where they can invent or exaggerate threats and enemies they must nobly do battle against.

Not even mate, because they don't even like people who would largely agree with them. I remember working in a gaff called Witham in Essex and spent weeks in the council estates campaigning on the NHS. Some people I knew in London dismissed the whole gaff as a bunch of racist, UKIP-voting plebs who hate immigrants unlike enlightened Peruvian-restaurant frequenting Londoners like themselves.

In reality, they were working class people who broadly agreed on things like a pay rise, free health care and would have voted for Labour for many years. They were just neglected and taken for granted and as such turned to UKIP populism. Once you get out there and speak to them or offer them an alternative they're mostly receptive; but it's far easier to **** on in UCL while calling some lad from Kent who drives a lorry the evil incarnate because he reads the Sun or something.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fonSqHNoWkQ

Skullface McGubbin

I was going to laugh at her nonsense but then I remember that people like her are on the winning side of the culture war so now I'm depressed

tritium

She's clearly racist and sexist under any reasonable interpretation of those terms, she's also a teeny weeny bit deluded. Thankfully the days when you could openly commit racism or misandry and then play the race or gender card as some sort of valid defence appear to be (slowly) ending. The upside of social media is you can't really control those messages anymore and a particularly unflattering light gets shined on this kind of barmyness.

The SU look particularly inept in all of this-theyve tried to walk on egg shells instead of applying the same standard that they would demand in most other situations

Greenmachine

biko wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fonSqHNoWkQ

Baffling. Diversity for the sake of diversity. Is my understanding right. Does 70% diverse mean 30% of the students are from the majority group and 70% minority from minority groups. If a local population of school age children is 20% minority group. The ideal number should be around 20%, therefore representative of the local populace. It is the school administrations fault. He is pulling his daughter from the school now. His whole video seems like a cruel joke.

wakka12

lol, system of privileges for white people in europe? Please, not all western countries have the same history of racial discrimination as the US. you're not american, love

wakka12

Also she has blue eyes she's literally of ****ing european descent

conorhal

anncoates wrote: »

A student union diversity officer in Goldsmiths University.

This will definitely have a profound influence on the rest of the population.

The scary thing is that they have a tendency to go from SU politics straight into some quango with a lot of influence to peddle or worse, real politics. Sure you only have to listen to about 2 minutes of that insufferable former SU president and current Labour minister Aodhan O'Riordan blathering to realise that such individuals can do plenty of damage in the real world.

MathDebater

conorhal wrote: »

The scary thing is that they have a tendency to go from SU politics straight into some quango with a lot of influence to peddle or worse, real politics. Sure you only have to listen to about 2 minutes of that insufferable former SU president and current Labour minister Aodhan O'Riordan blathering to realise that such individuals can do plenty of damage in the real world.

These people don't stand a chance of getting a job in the real world. So they get involved in politics, work in quangos or stay in academia regurgitating these views.

who the fug

MathDebater wrote: »

These people don't stand a chance of getting a job in the real world. So they get involved in politics, work in quangos or stay in academia regurgitating these views.

Then scream blue murder when funding gets cuts

Just a little Samba

Wibbs wrote: »

When you see terms like "non-binary"… WTF. Time to bail out.
eeping the job.

If you think that the mention of one of the main points of queer theory is a "time to bail out" maybe you need to read more?
Gender binary is a ridiculous concept in this day and age.

Judith Butler's "gender trouble" might be a good place to start. Sedgwick is worth reading too.

Quite how you managed to shoehorn gender identify into a conversation about a woman's views on racism is beyond me though.

keithclancy

There are Black Africans out there that are racist toward Caribbean Africans because they have some notion in their head that the Caribbean Blacks are descended from African Slaves hence they are better.

So her statement is wrong.

Just a little Samba

FTA69 wrote: »

This is gas like. I work as a trade union organiser and politically would be considered far-left. Part of my job is to try and take groups of working-class people, organise them and then get them to fight for better conditions etc. In other words, it's a process of trying to create actual concrete change. Now, some might oppose unions etc but if you're of a left-wing perspective then organising workers is where it's at.

However, people like this young one simply view the badge of being left-wing as part of their identity as opposed to being actually concerned with getting out there and trying to create real change. They're far happier immersing themselves in some academic bubble and hobnobbing with fellow self-aggrandisers about how great and enlightened they are. I know lots of these people in London and the look of bemusement on their faces when Labour got hammered was unreal, they're just divorced from real people.

They're great to talk sh*te and back-slap but ask them to stand at a factory gate at 6am in the cold or go and speak to a load of bus-drivers in a canteen in South London and they'd be lost. Their talk of "paradigms and heteronormativity" wouldn't cut the mustard with a load of middle-aged women in an Essex cake factory either. They probably know this too though, so are far more comfortable in the universities than out in the real world with the uncouth plebs.

You're kind of hitting the nail on the head on the difference between social science academic theory and applied social science (your work, community development work, youth work, advocacy, etc) and to a lesser extent empirical research. A lot of those academic academics who are only interested in theory generation have massive apathy and even disdain for those doing applied work or empirical research.

Tis a massive problem in the field.

Just a little Samba

OneArt wrote: »

It'd be quite funny if she were Turkish.

Turks and Arabs are also classified as Caucasians, hell, quite a few of them have blue eyes and blond hair.

Racist cow.

Persian and South Asian people are considered "Caucasian" too, but you'd have to have a fairly strange mind to deny the fact that they are not white Europeans.

who the fug

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Persian and South Asian people are considered "Caucasian" too, but you'd have to have a fairly strange mind to deny the fact that they are not white Europeans.

Still more Caucasian than kerrymen or noddies

Just a little Samba

who the fug wrote: »

Still more Caucasian than kerrymen or noddies

What's a "noddy"?

Tombi!

Sometimes I weep for humanity when these loonies actually get support.

I'm all for cutting out racism/sexism/Xism
But FFS, being a racist sexist idiot isn't doing anything other than feeding your own ego.
And for going off on Wibbs, he's spot on. The whole idea of the latest fad of the social justice movement is incredibly stupid.

By all means fight for good causes. But saying "white men are the problem" is both racist and sexist.
Saying "non white women cannot be racist or sexist because they're not the majority" is about as helpful as saying "Damo who knifed someone isn't a criminal, he's from a poor background and he can't be a criminal. That's offensive to label him that wa. Society made him that way".

With that being said, the latest definitions of the words racism and sexism are becoming more and more akin to a Monty Python movie.

engineerbrah

She looks Jewish. With a comment like that she probably is.

who the fug

Just a little Samba wrote: »

What's a "noddy"?

A nodding nordie

Just a little Samba

engineerbrah wrote: »

She looks Jewish. With a comment like that she probably is.

That's a paddlin'

ScumLord

It seems kind of racist to get the black person to hold the microphone for you.

Tombi!

engineerbrah wrote: »

She looks Jewish. With a comment like that she probably is.

Mod: Banned for a day

who the fug

ScumLord wrote: »

It seems kind of racist to get the black person to hold the microphone for you.

Seems kind of racist to suggest a black person can' t hold a microphone