Star Wars: Rogue One *spoilers from post 1195*

Keplar240B

FunLover18 wrote: »

Can someone explain the tactical advantages of the AT-ATs?

As far as I Can tell, they're slow, lumbering, not very manouverable with limited shooting range and every time I see them I wonder why anyone would design a military vehicle that can be tripped up. Is it just that they look cool?

Heavily armored and awe-inducing, the AT-AT positioned itself as the standard of Imperial firepower on the battlefield.
Due to their impressive appearance, it was used as much for psychological effect as for tactical reason.

When General Veers' walker fired upon the rebel power generator, at the climax of the Battle of Hoth, one of his crewmen estimated the range as 17.28km. This is not limited range!
Line-of-sight obstructions are the only practical limitation on the range of the AT-AT's guns, and the intrinsic range of the weapons is very much greater.

AT-AT walkers are essentially invulnerable to conventional artillery fire. Their hull surfaces absorb and dissipate blaster bolts without the vehicle feeling so much as a jolt. The AT-AT walkers are astonishingly resilient to enemy fire from the outside,

The top speed of an AT-AT is ut 60km/hr. Slow?

AT-AT walkers carry forty ground troops plus five speeder bikes.

david75

Bowlardo wrote: »

This times 100..she sounds ****.

This actress and character is forever going to be compared to rey and daisey ridley and she's going to come out the loser every time..

Boskowski

e_e wrote: »

It's only the modern thing to do in the sense that it gives creators a greater range of people to write and people who have been underserved by mainstream movies new characters to look up to and identify with. It not only makes good artistic sense but also financial one too, it's win win for me. The type of people who are angered (not saying you are btw) by this stuff can just get under the covers and sob tbh. They need to grow up and get out more.

It is but if it kept going down that route for the sake of it it would smell too much of the great pc diversity drive. Women are typically not the target audience for sci-fi and action either so I'm not sure about the commercial sense.

Look I find it actually a bit of fresh air so far. But if every single new Star Wars movie churned out a new lead action heroine eventually I would find it a little irritating. Thats all I'm saying.

FunLover18

Boskowski wrote:

It is but if it kept going down that route for the sake of it it would smell too much of the great pc diversity drive. Women are typically not the target audience for sci-fi and action either so I'm not sure about the commercial sense.

Look I find it actually a bit of fresh air so far. But if every single new Star Wars movie churned out a new lead action heroine eventually I would find it a little irritating. Thats all I'm saying.

Just because they're not typically the target audience doesn't mean they're not interested in sci-fi and action. And I think women are more than a little irritated at having to put up with Hollywood churning out male heroes all the time.

e_e

Boskowski wrote: »

it would smell too much of the great pc diversity drive.

I can't help but just shrug at this tbh. I've yet to see a movie or book or game be negatively affected by a diverse cast. For all this talk of PC pandering (especially among a certain cadre of people on YouTube) I find the opposite is moreso tedious if anything. People bemoan the lack of originality in movies but complain when directors go out of their way to shake things up a bit. It's ironic too because this diversity is actually what got me back into comics lately where it's not just guys in capes brooding over dead girlfriends anymore.

Boskowski wrote: »

Women are typically not the target audience for sci-fi and action either so I'm not sure about the commercial sense.

I think that's more for the fact that they've been more inherently macho genres on film in the past. If you look at the IMDB rating breakdowns The Force Awakens is actually higher rated among women. You can't deny the success of The Hunger Games series too. Was in a packed screening of the Mockingjay Part 2 and I'd say women outnumbered men at least 70 to 30 there. I think studios are rightfully starting to realize that science fiction can tell any kind of story and are not just exclusively guy things anymore.

Boskowski wrote: »

Look I find it actually a bit of fresh air so far. But if every single new Star Wars movie churned out a new lead action heroine eventually I would find it a little irritating. Thats all I'm saying.

That's fair enough. I think it's very early days yet though and even looking at Force Awakens the cast is very balanced, hell Finn and Poe are the first characters to get significant screen time as far as I recall.

Rob2D

FunLover18 wrote: »

Can someone explain the tactical advantages of the AT-ATs?

As far as I Can tell, they're slow, lumbering, not very manouverable with limited shooting range and every time I see them I wonder why anyone would design a military vehicle that can be tripped up. Is it just that they look cool?

bilston

I don't know. A lot of people here seem to have some sort of magical power where they can conclude how good an actress will be or how big a role an actor will have based on little over a minute of footage. That's a pretty neat trick!

puckmymuskie

bilston wrote: »

I don't know. A lot of people here seem to have some sort of magical power where they can conclude how good an actress will be or how big a role an actor will have based on little over a minute of footage. That's a pretty neat trick!

fanboys spouting conjecture ruin everything

Links234

david75 wrote: »

This actress and character is forever going to be compared to rey and daisey ridley and she's going to come out the loser every time..

Why, are women just interchangable to you?



I know when I watched the original trilogy, I couldn't keep track of it, Han Skywalker or whoever the heck it was, I've trouble telling them apart, just a bunch of token guys. Then watching the prequels it was all like, ok we get it, you've got men in your movie, can we stop with the agenda pushing, box ticking already? The Force Awakens finally has a relatable lead, and everyone just can enjoy the movie without getting the whole PC 'men can be leads too' agenda being pushed down their throats. And I've got nothing against males, I just don't think we should be making a habit of having them in movies, and if this sounds silly well then that's exactly how silly everyone who's giving out about women in Star Wars sound!

I suppose you might have a point, it's not like we've ever had women in leading roles in Science Fiction before... Oh hang on a mo, think I know of some obscure franchise with a character called Ellen Ripley!



Although, that does make me wonder if there was an analogue to this back in the day, guys angry over Sigourney Weaver, a feeeeeemale no less, getting a lead role, furiously writing letters to the editor or mailing their plans to boycott the movie to the studio execs.

Was there an equivalent to the Mad Max boycott back then?

PTH2009

ShakerMaker91 wrote: »

loved the trailer really looking foward to this only negative is its not out till December!

Is this the big Xmas movie of 2016 or doas the assasians creed movie have that honor ??

david75

Links234 wrote: »

Why, are women just interchangable to you?



I know when I watched the original trilogy, I couldn't keep track of it, Han Skywalker or whoever the heck it was, I've trouble telling them apart, just a bunch of token guys. Then watching the prequels it was all like, ok we get it, you've got men in your movie, can we stop with the agenda pushing, box ticking already? The Force Awakens finally has a relatable lead, and everyone just can enjoy the movie without getting the whole PC 'men can be leads too' agenda being pushed down their throats. And I've got nothing against males, I just don't think we should be making a habit of having them in movies, and if this sounds silly well then that's exactly how silly everyone who's giving out about women in Star Wars sound!

I suppose you might have a point, it's not like we've ever had women in leading roles in Science Fiction before... Oh hang on a mo, think I know of some obscure franchise with a character called Ellen Ripley!



Although, that does make me wonder if there was an analogue to this back in the day, guys angry over Sigourney Weaver, a feeeeeemale no less, getting a lead role, furiously writing letters to the editor or mailing their plans to boycott the movie to the studio execs.

Was there an equivalent to the Mad Max boycott back then?

Links1234 im just wanting to say Rey is the newest and best female lead the world of sci fi cinema has seen since(dotdotdot possibly Ripley) but also the most relateable and as an actress on her first ever film, what a massive and brilliant performance she gives. She doesnt miss a step at any point. Trained actors would be falling over themselves and failing. she nailed it and im a fan.I wasnt being anything but a fan of her, thats all.

bradolf pittler

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that Ben Mendlesohn will be fantastic as the films baddie.

Boskowski

e_e wrote: »

I can't help but just shrug at this tbh. I've yet to see a movie or book or game be negatively affected by a diverse cast. For all this talk of PC pandering (especially among a certain cadre of people on YouTube) I find the opposite is moreso tedious if anything. People bemoan the lack of originality in movies but complain when directors go out of their way to shake things up a bit. It's ironic too because this diversity is actually what got me back into comics lately where it's not just guys in capes brooding over dead girlfriends anymore.


I think that's more for the fact that they've been more inherently macho genres on film in the past. If you look at the IMDB rating breakdowns The Force Awakens is actually higher rated among women. You can't deny the success of The Hunger Games series too. Was in a packed screening of the Mockingjay Part 2 and I'd say women outnumbered men at least 70 to 30 there. I think studios are rightfully starting to realize that science fiction can tell any kind of story and are not just exclusively guy things anymore.


That's fair enough. I think it's very early days yet though and even looking at Force Awakens the cast is very balanced, hell Finn and Poe are the first characters to get significant screen time as far as I recall.

Actually, all that is fair enough, too. Especially with the Hunger Games you're making very valid points, and if anything I'd welcome the arrival of women in those genres myself. In fact I didn't realise that women may be a bit peeved about the lack of heroines in such movies and would potentially like a more balanced approach. I simply assumed women just wouldn't be into that as much.

Anyway, balanced would be totally cool with me, all I was saying is I wouldn't like to see the heroines taking over completely.

I'm a little behind on this - where exactly does this fit within the Star Wars cannon? Especially with regards to the Force Awakens and those movies. Same universe, but different stories?

Mickeroo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm a little behind on this - where exactly does this fit within the Star Wars cannon? Especially with regards to the Force Awakens and those movies. Same universe, but different stories?

It's set in the lead up to the original film, so like 40 years before Force Awakens I guess.

Oh.. now that's interesting and adds a whole new level to the trailer! I didn't realize that, but now what I was seeing makes sense.

Lovely Bloke

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm a little behind on this - where exactly does this fit within the Star Wars cannon? Especially with regards to the Force Awakens and those movies. Same universe, but different stories?

in between the jar jar binks trilogy and the original trilogy.

this film tells the story of how the rebels got the plans for the Death Start, allowing Luke to destroy it.

faceman

Trailer was great and I'm usually super cynical.

But that poxy nostalgic slow played piano of theme tunes has to stop. It's irritating and cheap.

Other than that great trailer.

Gareth Edwards has seen an astronomical rise in fame - starting off with the low budget Monsters, the mega budget Godzilla, and now taking the helm for a movie in (arguably) one of the largest franchises in cinema history.

CatInABox

Deleted User wrote: »

Gareth Edwards has seen an astronomical rise in fame - starting off with the low budget Monsters, the mega budget Godzilla, and now taking the helm for a movie in (arguably) one of the largest franchises in cinema history.

Really loved Monsters, and loved the sense of scale that he managed to get in Godzilla, even if the rest of the film was average. From the trailer, he's definitely bringing that eye for scale to this as well, the way he managed to make the Star Destroyer look both huge and then tiny and insignificant in one shot was great.

brevity

Disney are smart.

Initially they get in a big name, fan favourite, director, one that can bring in the fanboys, sacrificing some control. Then they get in promising directors but ones that don't have so much weight as to be "a problem".

Tony EH

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Anyone else disappointed that their not going more toward a Guardians of the Galaxy type tone, a more irreverent and light hearted tale

No.

Tony EH

david75 wrote: »

lads hang on a second..

it opens with her apparently being under arrest and lead by a rebel officer yet you hear what sounds like an imperial agent putting charges to her..and then being grilled by Mon Mothma and by the end shes in an imperial uniform?

perhaps shes a double agent and this film will be from an Imperial POV?

that would be an awesome way to tell this story..shes rogue one and has to get the plans back for the empire?

That WOULD be great.

But this is a Star Wars film and I doubt such cold war type scenarios would raise their head.

In any case, I'd imagine that the rebel forces have their interrogators too.

Tony EH

FunLover18 wrote: »

Can someone explain the tactical advantages of the AT-ATs?

The clue is in its title.

They are an All Terrain Amored Transport.

The point being that they can pretty much get their foot soldiers into any battle, on almost any terrain.

CatInABox

Tony EH wrote: »

That WOULD be great.

But this is a Star Wars film and I doubt such cold war type scenarios would raise their head.

In any case, I'd imagine that the rebel forces have their interrogators too.

The charges are being put to her by the rebel general, so that idea is out the window. Most likely just going over her resume before shaking hands on a deal, but she could also have managed to annoy the rebels somehow, as I think that all of the mercs in the film will be morally ambiguous.

I do hope that the films, now that they're exploring the universe outside the main trilogies, will show something of the imperial side.

CatInABox

CatInABox wrote: »

Really loved Monsters, and loved the sense of scale that he managed to get in Godzilla, even if the rest of the film was average. From the trailer, he's definitely bringing that eye for scale to this as well, the way he managed to make the Star Destroyer look both huge and then tiny and insignificant in one shot was great.

What I always found incredible about Monsters is that Edwards did the visual effects more or less by himself.. in his bedroom!

bilston

CatInABox wrote: »

The charges are being put to her by the rebel general, so that idea is out the window. Most likely just going over her resume before shaking hands on a deal, but she could also have managed to annoy the rebels somehow, as I think that all of the mercs in the film will be morally ambiguous.

I do hope that the films, now that they're exploring the universe outside the main trilogies, will show something of the imperial side.

I don't think we know who is putting the charges to her?

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm a little behind on this - where exactly does this fit within the Star Wars cannon? Especially with regards to the Force Awakens and those movies. Same universe, but different stories?

It could be a decent prequel to Star Wars. So, it's perhaps a year or two before Luke blew it up.

CatInABox

bilston wrote: »

I don't think we know who is putting the charges to her?

Sounds like the accent reading out the charges, and the accent that the rebel general has are the same.

That's just what it sounds like to me though. I could be totally wrong.

conorhal

Boy did that 'I rebel' line, with all it's teenage angsty 'rebel without a clue' intonation make my eyes roll.

After The Force Awakens re-tread old ground so heavilly I'd been hoping for a story outside the general Starwars mythology. I've seen a few comments popping up that have described this as the flashiest peice of fan fiction ever produced, which made me nod in agreement. On the other hand, I do quite like the idea of a Starwars heist movie, if they frame it in that context.


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Tony EH

CatInABox wrote: »

The charges are being put to her by the rebel general, so that idea is out the window.

Most likely just going over her resume before shaking hands on a deal, but she could also have managed to annoy the rebels somehow, as I think that all of the mercs in the film will be morally ambiguous.

That's what I mean by "the rebel forces have their interrogators too."

It sounds like a rap sheet being put to her in an interrogation.

As you say, probably a vetting interview before they seal the deal with a job. Or maybe it's a Snake Plisken type job. Do us this favour and we'll look the other way?

Actually, that would be great too. The rebels need some darkening up tbh.

CatInABox wrote: »

I do hope that the films, now that they're exploring the universe outside the main trilogies, will show something of the imperial side.

I've always said that after the disaster of the appalling prequels, a form of redemption would be to make some films following Vader's expansion of the Empire across the Galaxy and from the Empire's point of view.

A surrogate epsiode I, II and III if you will.

How much of a time distance was there between Episode 3 and the original movie?

FunLover18

Deleted User wrote: »

How much of a time distance was there between Episode 3 and the original movie?

Presumably about 20 or so years, whatever age Luke and Leia were supposed to be

arch_stanton

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How much of a time distance was there between Episode 3 and the original movie?

Probably about 18 years as Luke and Leia were born right at the end of Ep. 3

So theoretically Darth Vader could make an appearance in this? But presumably not!

Tony EH

It's possible.

James Earl Jones is still knocking around and there are plenty of big lads in hollywood too that they can pop into the suit.

homerun_homer

Rumour is Vader will be in this and will be shown to be more bad ass than we've seen him in the other films, so much so that it's thought he'll have to be toned down.

Links234 wrote: »

The main actors from The Raid were the pirates Han Solo was dealing with, and you got the feeling "Oh hell, sh*t's gonna get real!" when they turn up, but nope, they were just there to get eaten. Criminally wasted.

They were basically in TFA so they would try get more interest in China etc.

Interesting about Vader! It could be that he's still so psychologically scarred from the events at the end of Episode 3 and is still dealing with how he is now. Will be great to see the transition between the two.

Tony EH

homerun_homer wrote: »

They were basically in TFA so they would try get more interest in China etc.

Those guys are Indonesian.

The Chinese wouldn't give a tinkers cuss about them being in a Star Wars film or not.

It seemed a very odd choice to cast almost all the Raid cast. I mean.. maybe one or two of them.. but all of them?

SnakePlissken

bilston wrote: »

I don't know. A lot of people here seem to have some sort of magical power where they can conclude how good an actress will be or how big a role an actor will have based on little over a minute of footage. That's a pretty neat trick!

I based my criticism on the main actress based on this trailer as you say, and indeed, she may well surprise me and in fact be a revelation in the role, as she was in A theory of everything, but based purely on these few fleeting excerpts it would appear to me at least, that her delivery of lines and general presence in this particular movie are bland and devoid of any hint of charisma. Perhaps I'm just surprised with how dull and lifeless this looks when compared to the Force Awakens.

SnakePlissken

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It seemed a very odd choice to cast almost all the Raid cast. I mean.. maybe one or two of them.. but all of them?

JJ is obviously a fan, doubt there's any more to it than that.

Mickeroo

Deleted User wrote: »

It seemed a very odd choice to cast almost all the Raid cast. I mean.. maybe one or two of them.. but all of them?

Pretty sure Abrams was just a fan of the films and gave them a part.

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Pretty sure Abrams was just a fan of the films and gave them a part.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

JJ is obviously a fan, doubt there's any more to it than that.

Makes sense and shouldn't expect anything else from the superfan that Abrams is known to be.

eviltimeban

homerun_homer wrote: »

Rumour is Vader will be in this and will be shown to be more bad ass than we've seen him in the other films, so much so that it's thought he'll have to be toned down.

Source? If Vader was in this, I think we'd know about it now. I can't see him being in this movie and there being no tie in - after all, Vader sells a lot of toys. A LOT.

If they're going to do a Vader movie, they'd go all out and make it a VADER movie, but somehow I don't think we're going to see one. I reckon Vader's story has been told.

skipper_G

Wait Donnie Yen is in this? Shut up and take my money

Did someone mention that this was going to be a part of a new trilogy outside of the planned and upcoming ones?

conorhal

Deleted User wrote: »

How much of a time distance was there between Episode 3 and the original movie?

I'd say about 20 years give or mostly take.

Sure at the end of episode 3 the death star looking like this:



So it looks like it took a damn long time to build!
I suppose Imperial bureaucracy is much like any bureaucracy and the Death Star probably ran afoul of cost over runs, union demands, the inevitable planning tribunal and endless arguments about who’s constituency it should get built in, not to mention the 'Alderan says NO to Death Stars!' crusty protests......

Osmosis Jones

Deleted User wrote: »

Did someone mention that this was going to be a part of a new trilogy outside of the planned and upcoming ones?

Think it'll be part of a series of 'Star Wars stories' that won't necessarily relate to each other but will all exist within the Star Wars universe.

DvB

Everything can be broken down, dissected & criticised by someone over & over again to the point where it becomes a chore wading through folk being critical almost purely for the sake of it.
I'm a huge star wars fan, I was 5 when SW was released in 77 & fell in love with the OT instantly, I for one am simply delighted to be seeing a new film with top quality production values related to the star wars universe, for that reason I admit I loved the trailer and am eagerly awaiting seeing this on the big screen... I refuse to have the joy sucked out of my by people determined to see the fault in everything & anything.