Man United v Arsenal 4.00pm Sunday 17th May

enfant terrible

Slightly makes up for United robbing Arsenal at the Emirates earlier in the season.

Liam O

Trilla wrote: »

Ah balls. Arsenal better second half, deserved it.

United really should have done more in the first half, there's just no attacking impetus which is a bit strange given the amount of the ball they have. Falcao, RVP, whoever is up front has nothing to work with. Fellaini and Herrera are both 2 way players who don't consistently add to the attack. The 3rd midfielder has to be up with the striker and that rarely happens.

RasTa

Meh, great first half and bah second half.

Valencia seeing a lot of the ball during the second but doing nothing with it as usual. Roll on next season. Wouldn't mind too much losing to Hull if it sends Newcastle down

blag

Only at Old Trafford :pac:

Will I Amnt

Decent enough performance from United, Blackett and Valdes substitutions kind of mixed it up a bit much at the back.

Quazzie

blag wrote: »

Only at Old Trafford :pac:

I don't understand why Dean keeps getting these games. He's a terrible ref.


Whats the crest on LvG's blazer?

Polo_Mint

Quazzie wrote: »

So are you ready to admit that United are poor since ye're below us in the league now?

I did admit that there are 19 poor teams in the league

I fixed his post

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine what Chelsea would do against an Arsenal performance like this.

Robson99

blag wrote: »

Only at Old Trafford :pac:

Giroud doing the same thing to smalling.

Quazzie

Robson99 wrote: »

Giroud doing the same thing to smalling.

Are you blind or something? When does Giroud pull his jersey?

Robson99

Quazzie wrote: »

Are you blind or something? When does Giroud pull his jersey?

Ya I'm blind. But me dog was able to see it it was that obvious. You should invest in one I think

jonneymendoza

https://vine.co/v/eAZLZiaKKEB

WoollyRedHat

Robson99 wrote: »

Ya I'm blind. But me dog was able to see it it was that obvious. You should invest in one I think

Mate, I've got some bad news, I think your dog may be blind

Quazzie

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Mate, I've got some bad news, I think your dog may be blind

I'm not even sure it's a dog! :eek:

Kirby

blag wrote: »

Only at Old Trafford :pac:

American football has over a dozen officials watching the play because grappling like that happens all the time.....and its always spotted and penalized.

I'm not sure if thats the answer with football but clearly something has to change as that sort of wrestling is way, way too common from set pieces.

AdamD

tayto lover wrote: »

Rubbish match. Two very average teams.

Vintage Boards Soccer Forum post.


Google average please.

tayto lover

AdamD wrote: »

Vintage Boards Soccer Forum post.


Google average please.

The "average" for me is the degree of entertainment I get from watching teams play. Today's match was well below the vast majority of matches these two teams played this season. Not very exciting, poor passing, little goalmouth action and 5/10 on the entertainment levels. Just about stayed awake.

pudzey101

tayto lover wrote: »

The "average" for me is the degree of entertainment I get from watching teams play. Today's match was well below the vast majority of matches these two teams played this season. Not very exciting, poor passing, little goalmouth action and 5/10 on the entertainment levels. Just about stayed awake.

agree with tayto lover , normally arsenal are 10/10 to watch with passing, movement etc .. just not today :rolleyes:

Oranage2

I thought lvg got a lot wrong during the match. Trying to close the game out on the 74th minute by bringing on a defender and goal keeper was tactically naive from a manager with that much experience. Too players that cost united.

firstly, Blackett by name, rubbish by nature. wtf was he doing, terrible player not cut out at this level.

secondly, Valdes. Protect your front post, a box full of players and he's trying to be too clever.

falcao waving good bye? could be also ddg last home game too?

After all that money spent and united are a million miles away from the top 3. lvg isn't a top manager anymore.


Arsenal weren't great either but I rather them play like that than going gung ho like they did at the end. I like giroud but arsenal need a top striker to get to the next level, simple as.

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

I thought lvg got a lot wrong during the match. Trying to close the game out on the 74th minute by bringing on a defender and goal keeper was tactically naive from a manager with that much experience. Too players that cost united.

firstly, Blackett by name, rubbish by nature. wtf was he doing, terrible player not cut out at this level.

secondly, Valdes. Protect your front post, a box full of players and he's trying to be too clever.

falcao waving good bye? could be also ddg last home game too?

After all that money spent and united are a million miles away from the top 3. lvg isn't a top manager anymore.


Arsenal weren't great either but I rather them play like that than going gung ho like they did at the end. I like giroud but arsenal need a top striker to get to the next level, simple as.

Yeah replacing player who was back from injury and a GK who was injured was a bad idea. Should have subbed on Wilson for Rojo, Januzaj for De Gea. Who wants GK and a LB.

Loved how you sneaked Arsenal into great team bracket, ManUtd are not million miles away from top 3. Long way to catch Chelsea but City and Arsenal are not great either.

Obviously Van Gaal is not a top manager but Wenger is for winning so many trophies that makes Jose to hide his face. One decent season and they are back.

Quazzie

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yeah replacing player who was back from injury and a GK who was injured was a bad idea. Should have subbed on Wilson for Rojo, Januzaj for De Gea. Who wants GK and a LB.

Loved how you sneaked Arsenal into great team bracket, ManUtd are not million miles away from top 3. Long way to catch Chelsea but City and Arsenal are not great either.

Obviously Van Gaal is not a top manager but Wenger is for winning so many trophies that makes Jose to hide his face. One decent season and they are back.

Its been 5 years since LvG won anything. Maybe he just doesnt have it anymore. He's been shown up a few times this year already.

Will I Amnt

Quazzie wrote: »

Its been 5 years since LvG won anything. Maybe he just doesnt have it anymore. He's been shown up a few times this year already.

Well if he wins an FA cup in 5 years time then we can say he's back again...

The Moldy Gowl

How much has wenger won in the last 5 years? 1 about to be 2 fa cups?

Giggsy11

Quazzie wrote: »

Its been 5 years since LvG won anything. Maybe he just doesnt have it anymore. He's been shown up a few times this year already.

Yeah because he didn't manage any club since 2011.

I don't rate him among the best in the world as clearly he isn't, not even top 5. Btw do you rate Wenger as top manager?

Will I Amnt

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How much has wenger won in the last 5 years? 1 about to be 2 fa cups?

It was 9 or 10 years before that FA cup without anything wasn't it? So we have to give van Gaal another few years before making that call, wouldn't want anybody getting egg on their face if the mighty LvG lifts the prestigious FA Cup in a few years time to declare himself still relevant.

Liam McPoyle

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yeah replacing player who was back from injury and a GK who was injured was a bad idea. Should have subbed on Wilson for Rojo, Januzaj for De Gea. Who wants GK and a LB.

Loved how you sneaked Arsenal into great team bracket, ManUtd are not million miles away from top 3. Long way to catch Chelsea but City and Arsenal are not great either.

Obviously Van Gaal is not a top manager but Wenger is for winning so many trophies that makes Jose to hide his face. One decent season and they are back.

I wouldn't waste the bandwidth trying to engage with that one mate.

His agenda and intentions in the SF are as clear as day.

Iused2likebusts

Oranage2 wrote: »

I thought lvg got a lot wrong during the match. Trying to close the game out on the 74th minute by bringing on a defender and goal keeper was tactically naive from a manager with that much experience. Too players that cost united.

firstly, Blackett by name, rubbish by nature. wtf was he doing, terrible player not cut out at this level.

secondly, Valdes. Protect your front post, a box full of players and he's trying to be too clever.

falcao waving good bye? could be also ddg last home game too?

After all that money spent and united are a million miles away from the top 3. lvg isn't a top manager anymore.


Arsenal weren't great either but I rather them play like that than going gung ho like they did at the end. I like giroud but arsenal need a top striker to get to the next level, simple as.

Why would you waste your time typing this stuff out.

Oranage2

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How much has wenger won in the last 5 years? 1 about to be 2 fa cups?

What has Wenger got to do with anything?

Nearly 200 million spent, give that money to any manager in the Prem and they'd finish top 4.

Quazzie

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yeah because he didn't manage any club since 2011.

I don't rate him among the best in the world as clearly he isn't, not even top 5. Btw do you rate Wenger as top manager?

No.

Alfred Borden

I think with another 150 million, Louis could get United third next season.

Ordinary man

Raf32 wrote: »

I think with another 150 million, Louis could get United third next season.

With that sort of money wenger might even get a player who shows up in big games, it would make a change

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

What has Wenger got to do with anything?

Nearly 200 million spent, give that money to any manager in the Prem and they'd finish top 4.

Arsenal spent 170 Million plus in last 3 seasons and has improved 1 position in last 3 years. Also Arsenal never had the changes that is happening at United.

Don't think Arsenal and other teams are paying bag of chips and paying transfer fee in bag of coal, point is Arsenal spend money but less than other top teams and higher than midtable teams.

Giggsy11

Raf32 wrote: »

I think with another 150 million, Louis could get United third next season.

And wenger can spend endless money but will never ever win CL.

glued

Raf32 wrote: »

I think with another 150 million, Louis could get United third next season.

There is very minimal difference between 2nd and 4th in the league. Arsenal have a far more settled squad than United yet they were terrible in the Champions League and are still only 2 points ahead of United who were absolutely dreadful for large parts of the season. It's not going to take a huge effort to win the league or to overtake Chelsea either.

I think United will finish ahead of Arsenal next year and I think it will be by a comfortable margin.

Giggsy11

glued wrote: »

There is very minimal difference between 2nd and 4th in the league. Arsenal have a far more settled squad than United yet they were terrible in the Champions League and are still only 2 points ahead of United who were absolutely dreadful for large parts of the season. It's not going to take a huge effort to win the league or to overtake Chelsea either.

I think United will finish ahead of Arsenal next year and I think it will be by a comfortable margin.

They also spent 100 Million or plus but not a word is said about it.

KaiserGunner

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Arsenal spent 170 Million plus in last 3 seasons and has improved 1 position in last 3 years. Also Arsenal never had the changes that is happening at United.

Don't think Arsenal and other teams are paying bag of chips and paying transfer fee in bag of coal, point is Arsenal spend money but less than other top teams and higher than midtable teams.

Don't necessarily agree with you there. Fair enough we haven't had a change of manager, but we have had a lot of changes over the last 8 years or so with our best players being sold every summer.

170 million in 3 seasons, Utd basically did that last summer!

Anyway the match was disappointing in the end imo, probably to be expected with not a lot to play for. I'm hoping Arsenal will be in the mix for the title next season, as I expect City, Chelsea and Utd to be up there next season. Can't see anybody else breaking into the top 4 next season, although stranger things have happened.

KaiserGunner

glued wrote: »

There is very minimal difference between 2nd and 4th in the league. Arsenal have a far more settled squad than United yet they were terrible in the Champions League and are still only 2 points ahead of United who were absolutely dreadful for large parts of the season. It's not going to take a huge effort to win the league or to overtake Chelsea either.

I think United will finish ahead of Arsenal next year and I think it will be by a comfortable margin.

That whole post is a shocking shout and extremely arrogant. How can you seriously say that it won't take a huge effort to overtake Chelsea and win the league? Suppose it's a cert that Utd will wrap up a league and champions league double, easy!

glued

KaiserGunner wrote: »

That whole post is a shocking shout and extremely arrogant. How can you seriously say that it won't take a huge effort to overtake Chelsea and win the league? Suppose it's a cert that Utd will wrap up a league and champions league double, easy!

I think United are far off being a title winning side but it won't take a huge effort to overtake Chelsea. Chelsea are a good side but I don't think they will find it as easy next year as United and City will improve and so will Spurs and Liverpool. I would have Chelsea as favourites next year but that's only because City and United will have to reinvest heavily in the squad. Chelsea were under no real pressure this season for the title. Next season it will be much closer.

ERG89

KaiserGunner wrote: »

That whole post is a shocking shout and extremely arrogant. How can you seriously say that it won't take a huge effort to overtake Chelsea and win the league? Suppose it's a cert that Utd will wrap up a league and champions league double, easy!

If they sign Carroll to partner Fellaini :cool:
Chelsea are comfortably ahead of the chasing pack right now, they walked the league this season & as much as I dislike him have the best manager too.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

This thread is absolutely woeful. What's the point if all ye are gonna do is make terrible attempts to troll other people trying to do the exact same thing?

domrush

glued wrote: »

I think United are far off being a title winning side but it won't take a huge effort to overtake Chelsea. Chelsea are a good side but I don't think they will find it as easy next year as United and City will improve and so will Spurs and Liverpool. I would have Chelsea as favourites next year but that's only because City and United will have to reinvest heavily in the squad. Chelsea were under no real pressure this season for the title. Next season it will be much closer.

Come off it there's a huge gap between the two, more than likely going to be 20 points by the end of the season. You can say Chelsea had no real challenger but when there's such a difference between the two how can you say it won't be a huge effort to overtake Chelsea? Utd are going to spend another 100-150 million this Summer , surely that's a huge effort in itself?

Korat

The standard of the EPL has dropped way off in recent years. Mediocre teams like Chelsea and City have won titles because of this but it wouldn't take a huge leap from teams like Utd and Arsenal to reassert their dominance of the division. The challenge is trying to be competitive in Europe again while the domestic opposition is so poor.

The_Kew_Tour

United don't need to invest heavily, they need to invest wisely..

Sadly one won't come without other.

RasTa

Be interesting to see this table at the end of next season. We have played well against the big teams, playing them off the park for most games. Everything else bar the odd Hull game has being ****e.

Iused2likebusts

RasTa wrote: »

Be interesting to see this table at the end of next season. We have played well against the big teams, playing them off the park for most games. Everything else bar the odd Hull game has being ****e.

It's a bit of a meaningless table why are liverpool included and not spurs and southampton. Surely it should be just top 4. Take out games against liverpool and Chelsea are top as they would be if you include spurs and southampton. Utd are the only team in the top 4 to beat Liverpool twice so by including them it skews the table.

RasTa

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

It's a bit of a meaningless table why are liverpool included and not spurs and southampton. Surely it should be just top 4. Take out games against liverpool and Chelsea are top as they would be if you include spurs and southampton. Utd are the only team in the top 4 to beat Liverpool twice so by including them it skews the table.

Guessing Liverpool are there because they are 5th. There are always these type of tables and the end of the season. Agree it doesn't mean much but it does show LVG knows what he is doing against the "title" contenders

Not so much against the rest of the league

Will I Amnt

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

It's a bit of a meaningless table why are liverpool included and not spurs and southampton. Surely it should be just top 4. Take out games against liverpool and Chelsea are top as they would be if you include spurs and southampton. Utd are the only team in the top 4 to beat Liverpool twice so by including them it skews the table.

United got 4 points from 6 against Spurs and 3 points from 6 against Saints.
Chelsea were hammered by Spurs once and if I recall correctly drew both games with Southampton.
United would still top the table if you included those 2, unless my memory is failing me, open to correction if I'm wrong.

Rayne Wooney

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

It's a bit of a meaningless table why are liverpool included and not spurs and southampton. Surely it should be just top 4. Take out games against liverpool and Chelsea are top as they would be if you include spurs and southampton. Utd are the only team in the top 4 to beat Liverpool twice so by including them it skews the table.

Maybe because Liverpool are 5th in the table?

Mickeroo

I know it sounds a bit unorthodox, maybe even pointless to include so many teams since only 5 really matter, but does anyone have a table comparing 20 teams for the craic? Just for ****s and giggles.

Oranage2

Will I Amnt wrote: »

United got 4 points from 6 against Spurs and 3 points from 6 against Saints.
Chelsea were hammered by Spurs once and if I recall correctly drew both games with Southampton.
United would still top the table if you included those 2, unless my memory is failing me, open to correction if I'm wrong.

What's interesting is if you add in spurs and the saints and all the other teams, that table has united in fourth.

Iused2likebusts

Will I Amnt wrote: »

United got 4 points from 6 against Spurs and 3 points from 6 against Saints.
Chelsea were hammered by Spurs once and if I recall correctly drew both games with Southampton.
United would still top the table if you included those 2, unless my memory is failing me, open to correction if I'm wrong.

My memory failed me I was thinking spurs beat utd at ot that was the previous season.