Summer 2015 Transfer Window General Discussion

pmasterson95

CSF wrote: »

That list though. It's a list of players no better than the players being signed by the similar stature clubs. Newcastle, Sunderland, Palace, West Brom, Swansea. Have all signed players of that level or better. Even Villa this summer have joined the craze.

Stoke last year were still strongest due to the stable, sometimes unspectacular Pulis signings. Begovic, Shawcross, Wilson, Adam, Walters, Cameron, Crouch. Not amazing players, but Hughes did a good job of moulding them into a team last season. Based on what I saw on Sunday I wouldn't bank on that being repeated. This year it'll be someone else to overachieve, probably someone else next year.

I got the impression that you believe that only players who start are worthwhile (your whole point was that the signings didnt start) otherwise mere squad players; off the players you quoted as being "strongest" Adam started only 15 & Crouch 17. You are flip flopping your own logic.

brianregan09

A team looking to get to the next level doesn't sell there best player from the season before N''zonzi went for half nothing to Sevilla can't believe none of the top 6 were after him

Subcomandante Marcos

brianregan09 wrote: »

A team looking to get to the next level doesn't sell there best player from the season before N''zonzi went for half nothing to Sevilla can't believe none of the top 6 were after him

The player wanted to leave, there wasn't much left on his contract and nobody was bidding any higher for him.

And Hughes plans to play Geoff Cameron ad DM this season.

LiamoSail

brianregan09 wrote: »

A team looking to get to the next level doesn't sell there best player from the season before

They may not want to but inevitably many do. There's a hirearchy of clubs, and once a bigger/wealthier/more attractive club want your player, realistically aside from delay the inevitable there's little you can do.

United/DeGea are a good example. The player wants out, and most likely will get his wish. That doesn't mean United aren't aiming for the next level. Similarly Liverpool with Sterling or Van Dijk with Celtic

CSF

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I got the impression that you believe that only players who start are worthwhile (your whole point was that the signings didnt start) otherwise mere squad players; off the players you quoted as being "strongest" Adam started only 15 & Crouch 17. You are flip flopping your own logic.

Hold up a second now, if people were quoting Adam and Crouch as being indicative of Stoke's great transfer policy I'd be saying the exact same thing. Shaqiri is the first really impressive player Stoke have signed since Pulis left.

You look at players other Premier League clubs have signed this summer. Ayew, Richards, Gestede, Veretout, Amavi, Gueye for Villa. Cabaye, Bamford, Sako for Crystal Palace. Leicester have signed Okazaki, Fuchs and Kanté. Newcastle have brought in Mbemba, Wijnaldum and Mitrovic. Sunderland have brought in Lens, M'Vila, Matthews and Kaboul. Swansea have brought in Ayew eile, Tabanou and Eder. West Brom have brought in Rondon, Lambert, McClean, Chester and Gnabry. West Ham have brought in Payet, Obiang and Ogbonna.

Stoke's transfer policy is similar enough to the above really. Not notable. Shaqiri is a very good signing. Affelay less so. Van Ginkel and Joselu have alot to prove but we'll see. Have previous years been more fruitful? I don't see it.

brianregan09

I think alot of the clubs mentioned above have been shopping at the middle shelf in europe as opposed to them usually shopping at the lower to middle shelf in England no massive difference to be honest

Oat23

brianregan09 wrote: »

I think alot of the clubs mentioned above have been shopping at the middle shelf in europe as opposed to them usually shopping at the lower to middle shelf in England no massive difference to be honest

This is exactly it. The names are more exotic but the talent isn't much better.

Shaqiri has a lot to prove. His record at Bayern was not great considering he had the luxury of starting against weaker teams, and coming off the bench fresh against tired defenders in others.

titan18

Oat23 wrote: »

This is exactly it. The names are more exotic but the talent isn't much better.

Shaqiri has a lot to prove. His record at Bayern was not great considering he had the luxury of starting against weaker teams, and coming off the bench fresh against tired defenders in others.

I dunno, big difference between guys like Payet, Shaqiri etc in comparison to someone like Wickham or Steven Fletcher. Similar money but big talent difference

CSF

titan18 wrote: »

I dunno, big difference between guys like Payet, Shaqiri etc in comparison to someone like Wickham or Steven Fletcher. Similar money but big talent difference

Agreed. Payet, Shaqiri, Amavi and Wijnaldum are absolutely the upper bracket of the list I quoted though.

Oat23

titan18 wrote: »

I dunno, big difference between guys like Payet, Shaqiri etc in comparison to someone like Wickham or Steven Fletcher. Similar money but big talent difference

Of course some players are better, but the majority aren't. The English players don't need time to adjust to a new league either.

I don't have any stats to back up what brianregan said, but it sure looks like the middle of the pack clubs/relegation candidates are shopping in Europe more this season compared to before because they have more money now.

titan18

CSF wrote: »

Agreed. Payet, Shaqiri, Amavi and Wijnaldum are absolutely the upper bracket of the list I quoted though.

Wickham and Fletcher are probably the upper bracket of British players who move though, which says a lot (barring guys like Sterling). A lot don't work out but same is true for English players.

Much better value in signing players outside the PL

pmasterson95

Romeu to join Southampton later today.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/631464669652258816


Tottenham agree £12m deal for Lyon striker Clinton Njie

inforfun

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/631464669652258816


Tottenham agree £12m deal for Lyon striker Clinton Njie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbtcmjfKa8

Sorry....

Knex*

My first thought as well

Lukker-

Jesus, City offering De Bruyne €320,000 a week.

the whole year inn

Lukker- wrote: »

Jesus, City offering De Bruyne €320,000 a week.

Where you see that

Liam O

Lukker- wrote: »

Jesus, City offering De Bruyne €320,000 a week.

Nothing surprising about that figure. They've probably 3 or 4 players on more already.

rwbug

Liam O wrote: »

Nothing surprising about that figure. They've probably 3 or 4 players on more already.

lol - name the three or four. United have/had highest wage bill and they don't have three or four (probably not one) on that sort of wage.

eagle eye

Liam O wrote: »

Nothing surprising about that figure. They've probably 3 or 4 players on more already.

General consensus is that only Rooney is on that sort of money. City have three players on 200k+ per week according to the media with Yaya Toure being the top earner followed by Aguero and then Silva.

the whole year inn

Can only provide a link or screenshot of this offer?

Winston Payne

If I don't see a wage slip, I don't believe anything specific. The papers haven't had a clue on wages for years.

JPA

rwbug wrote: »

lol - name the three or four. United have/had highest wage bill and they don't have three or four (probably not one) on that sort of wage.

Kompany, Silva, Aguero, Toure and even Sterling reportedly get £200,000 a week with their latest contracts.

rwbug

JPA wrote: »

Kompany, Silva, Aguero, Toure and even Sterling reportedly get £200,000 a week with their latest contracts.

And those figures are very believable. But to say City have three or four players on more than £320,000 a week is ridiculous. Also remember that City (and I imagine most clubs) have very incentivised wage structure. They won't be walking home with £200,000 in their pockets every week unless they achieve on the pitch.

Liam O

I'd imagine Silva and Aguero would be close to Yaya's reported £250k+ a week.

Also I wouldn't imagine there's anyone at United on over £200k other than Rooney and I'd imagine his image rights would be multiples of those 3 put together.

Liam O

rwbug wrote: »

And those figures are very believable. But to say City have three or four players on more than £320,000 a week is ridiculous. Also remember that City (and I imagine most clubs) have very incentivised wage structure. They won't be walking home with £200,000 in their pockets every week unless they achieve on the pitch.

Who said they have 3 or 4 players on £320k a week?

rwbug

Lukker- wrote: »

Jesus, City offering De Bruyne €320,000 a week.

Liam O wrote: »

Nothing surprising about that figure. They've probably 3 or 4 players on more already.

Liam O wrote: »

Who said they have 3 or 4 players on £320k a week?

You did - unless I somehow misunderstood

JPA

rwbug wrote: »

And those figures are very believable. But to say City have three or four players on more than £320,000 a week is ridiculous. Also remember that City (and I imagine most clubs) have very incentivised wage structure. They won't be walking home with £200,000 in their pockets every week unless they achieve on the pitch.

The post says €320,000

yabadabado

rwbug wrote: »

And those figures are very believable. But to say City have three or four players on more than £320,000 a week is ridiculous. Also remember that City (and I imagine most clubs) have very incentivised wage structure. They won't be walking home with £200,000 in their pockets every week unless they achieve on the pitch.

You should read the OP again.
No one said a player was on £320K per week.

rwbug

oh ugh - euro and pounds - my bad

That_Guy

Why do people get so flustered about wages? It's pure guess work on the part of the media and people lap it up as gospel.

Do you care that much? It's not your money.

rwbug

Why do we care at all? - it is a silly sport that is all honesty meaningless - yet it takes over our lives at times.

I support Man City and our owner will probably make more money today than I will this year. It really makes no difference to me personally if he pays £250,000 a week or £350,000 a week for a player. But I will still want to discuss it and how it affects my club.

Subcomandante Marcos

rwbug wrote: »

Why do we care at all? - it is a silly sport that is all honesty meaningless - yet it takes over our lives at times.

I support Man City and our owner will probably make more money today in the next 15 minutes than I will this year. It really makes no difference to me personally if he pays £250,000 a week or £350,000 a week for a player. But I will still want to discuss it and how it affects my club.

Fixed your post.

POKERKING

Liam O wrote: »

I'd imagine Silva and Aguero would be close to Yaya's reported £250k+ a week.

Also I wouldn't imagine there's anyone at United on over £200k other than Rooney and I'd imagine his image rights would be multiples of those 3 put together.

Imagine being the key word here.

Man united had the highest wage bill in the premier league last year, what you are saying doesnt add up.

Remember as someone else pointed out city redid most there contracts so there all incentivized.

Talib Fiasco

Sure I heard Bastian Schweiny is on €320,000.01 a week, De Bruyne would be on sooooo much less...pffft buying titles as usual




















Am I doing it right?

Lukker-

the whole year inn wrote: »

Where you see that

Sport Witness twitter, it's probably on their site. Obviously there is no way of knowing if it's true or not but I find Sport Witness to be an accumulation of the most reliable sources.

Agent Coulson

Oriol Romeu: Southampton sign Chelsea midfielder for £5m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33890418

Beefy78

That_Guy wrote: »

Why do people get so flustered about wages? It's pure guess work on the part of the media and people lap it up as gospel.

Do you care that much? It's not your money.

But won't someone thing of da nurses???

That_Guy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Oriol Romeu: Southampton sign Chelsea midfielder for £5m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33890418

This has potential to be one of the signings of the season. Himself and Wanyama could be a really interesting dynamic in their midfield.

pmasterson95

That_Guy wrote: »

This has potential to be one of the signings of the season. Himself and Wanyama could be a really interesting dynamic in their midfield.

Jordy Clasie?

Harry Palmr

Reports that Soldado has left Spurs.

MagicIRL

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Reports that Soldado has left Spurs.

He never really arrived at Spurs in the first place! :cool:

x43r0

MagicIRL wrote: »

He never really arrived at Spurs in the first place! :cool:

eh i dunno

Mason holgate has signed for Everton from Barnsley..hopefully be as good as stones

pmasterson95

According to Sky Villa are after Fonte. That would be a bizzare step backwards for him.

CSF

pmasterson95 wrote: »

According to Sky Villa are after Fonte. That would be a bizzare step backwards for him.

Not if Van Dijk is signed for Southampton and he no longer is a guaranteed starter. Villa absolutely have the potential to reach Southampton levels in the short-term and have spent accordingly to do so, so it would make sense if that was the case.

pmasterson95

CSF wrote: »

Not if Van Dijk is signed for Southampton and he no longer is a guaranteed starter. Villa absolutely have the potential to reach Southampton levels in the short-term and have spent accordingly to do so, so it would make sense if that was the case.

Fonte would surely be partner van Dijk. Yoshida back to the bench with Caulker back up since Gardos is crocked.

glued

eh i dunno wrote: »

Mason holgate has signed for Everton from Barnsley..hopefully be as good as stones

He's rated much higher than Stones. He was on trial at United but he wasn't signed.

Ormus

CSF wrote: »

Not if Van Dijk is signed for Southampton and he no longer is a guaranteed starter. Villa absolutely have the potential to reach Southampton levels in the short-term and have spent accordingly to do so, so it would make sense if that was the case.

Seems like Fonte has been the main organizer in that defence over the past few years. It was thought to be Lovren but that was quickly dispelled when their defence improved after he left.

If he wants to leave for a major pay rise fair enough, but you'd think Southampton would fight tooth and nail to keep him.

CSF

Ormus wrote: »

Seems like Fonte has been the main organizer in that defence over the past few years. It was thought to be Lovren but that was quickly dispelled when their defence improved after he left.

If he wants to leave for a major pay rise fair enough, but you'd think Southampton would fight tooth and nail to keep him.

I can inagine the only reason he would come to Villa from Southampton would be if he was told he wasn't number 1 anymore