Summer 2015 Transfer Window General Discussion

TheDoctor

Beefy78 wrote: »

Southend once missed out on the deadline day signing of Kevin McLeod from Swansea because the fax machine in the club office ran out of paper just before midnight.

Does anyone else find it bizarre that fax machines are still used. Transfer deadline day is the only thing I hear them being used for anymore.

2ndcoming

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Link?

That sentence is all over the deadline feeds and several news websites but I haven't found the full statement yet.

Beefy78

TheDoctor wrote: »

Does anyone else find it bizarre that fax machines are still used. Transfer deadline day is the only thing I here them being used for anymore.

I had to send a fax a couple of months ago. It felt so retro.

KERSPLAT!

Real statement

http://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2015/09/comunicado-oficial

**Translation via Google translate**

OFFICIAL STATEMENT | 01/09/2015

After the events of yesterday in relation to the alleged hiring of David de Gea player, Real Madrid wishes to state:
1. Manchester United did not open through negotiation by the federal rights of David de Gea until morning yesterday.
2.- Real Madrid, despite the difficulties of an operation of this kind in the last day of registration, you agreed to initiate these conversations.
3. When the Manchester United accessed through negotiation this morning yesterday makes it contingent to reaching an agreement with Real Madrid player Keylor Navas to be incorporated from the British club this season, and reports that contacts with representatives of the player.
4. Real Madrid and Manchester United reach a rapid agreement on the transfer of both players. After the drafting of the relevant contractual documents required and in order to proceed with sufficient time to process both the FIFA Transfer Matching System (TMS) as its entry in the LFP time, Real Madrid Manchester United forwards contracts at 13 . 39 hour Spanish
5. The Manchester United sent its comments to the contracts eight hours later, at 21:43 Spanish time, including minor modifications. Not being relevant, all changes were accepted immediately by Real Madrid, with the intention to register the player while both TMS and Professional Football League.
6. Real Madrid after signatures Players and Keylor Navas De Gea, sent the English club said contracts signed at 23:32 Spanish time, we await to receive the final documents signed by Manchester United.
7. The Manchester United reached the final agreement with representatives of Keylor Navas at 23:53 Spanish time and is at that time when the contracts are sent to the player to be signed.
8. The Manchester United entered the TMS data from the operation of David de Gea, not those of Keylor Navas, at 00:00 Spanish time, simultaneously referring to Real Madrid transfer contracts signed. Real Madrid receives the full documentation at 00:02 and tries to access the TMS but it was already closed.
9. At 00:26 Spanish time the computer system of FIFA TMS makes an invitation to Real Madrid to fill Player data David de Gea, given that the deadline for registration in England remains open to this day. Real Madrid, in the eventuality of a contentious course of the transfer of the player, decided to refer the contract to the Professional Football League, even knowing that the deadlines had expired.
10. In short, the Real Madrid has made everything you need, and at all times, to carry out these two transfers.

Giggsy11

Beefy78 wrote: »

I don't think anyone on here has made United a joke in all this. Maybe on twitter or something you might mean. On here, no. There's a number of people pointing out that this was the best deal you'd get in the circumstances and that now your best player will leave on a free transfer which is difficult to spin into a positive.

Casillas wouldn't have been in goal for Real Madrid regardless. He hasn't been good enough for years and only got back into the side last season because of a lack of alternatives. Either way it shouldn't impact you and your club. This is clearly bad news for all parties.

I think there are fair arguments on both sides.

I for one wanted the deal to go through as that meant we have addressed GK issue with Navas coming to United.

On the other hand, can see why few/many are happy deal is not happening as De Gea will stay for 1 year and we get enough time to find proper replacement. There are still doubts on whether he is fully focused but from what we have seen of him at United, once the window is done and he should be focused as there won't be any negotiations till at least Jan.

Also re the transfer fee, why would fans care about the numbers when it's the money man who should be worried and from what we have seen they were calm about losing potential fee.

raze_them_all_

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Real statement

http://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2015/09/comunicado-oficial

**Translation via Google translate**

a good honest club is madrid, they'd never spin the something to cover their asses and to make themselves look good

Luckycharms_74

2ndcoming wrote: »

That sentence is all over the deadline feeds and several news websites but I haven't found the full statement yet.

Damn you Kersplat


Real Madrid statement IN FULL as they point finger at Man United over David De Gea transfer farce

Real Madrid will not appeal to FIFA over David De Gea's bungled move to the Bernabeu, and the Manchester United goalkeeper will now remain at Old Trafford.

The Spanish giants and ten-time Champions League winners were made aware that, having missed the registration deadline with the LFP, even had De Gea been allowed to complete his switch that he could not have played in La Liga until January.

Madrid this lunchtime released a numbered statement, translated in full here:

1. Manchester United didn't open any path of negotiation for the registration rights to David De Gea until yesterday morning.

2. Real Madrid, despite the difficulties associated with completing a deal of this type on the final day of registration, accepted the initiating of these conversations.

3. When Manchester United entered into these negotiations yesterday morning they did so subject to being able to reach an agreement with Real Madrid player Keylor Navas, in order that he would join the British club from this season, and informed that they were in contact with the representatives of said player.

4. Real Madrid and Manchester United arrived quickly at an agreement for the transfers of both players. After the editing of the relevant contractual documents and with the intention of proceeding with enough time to get everything sent to the Transfer Matching System of FIFA (TMS) as well as his registration with the Spanish Football League (LFP), Real Madrid resent the contracts to Manchester United at 13:39 Spanish time.

5. Manchester United sent back their comments on said contracts eight hours later, at 21:43 Spanish time, including small modifications. Due to not being relevant, all of the modifications were accepted immediately by Real Madrid with the intention of being able to register the player on time in the TMS and with the LFP.

6. Real Madrid, having obtained the signatures of David De Gea and Keylor Navas, sent back to the English club the signed contracts at 23:32 Spanish time, waiting to receive the final documents signed by Manchester United.


7. Manchester United reached a final agreement with the representatives of Keylor Navas at 23:53 Spanish time and it was at this time that the contracts were sent to the player to be signed.

8. Manchester United entered into the TMS all the information for the De Gea deal, but not those for Keylor Navas, at 00:00 Spanish time, sending back to Real Madrid at the same time the signed transfer contracts. Real Madrid received the completed documentation at 00:02 and tried to access the TMS, but found it to already be closed.

9. At 00:26 Spanish time the FIFA computer system, TMS, invited Real Madrid to fill in the details for David De Gea, given that the registration period in England continues to be open until today. Real Madrid, with the prospect of some contention over the transfer of the player, decided to send the contracts to the LFP, even knowing that the period had expired.

10. Definitively, Real Madrid had done everything necessary, at all times, to ensure that these two transfers happened.

Giggsy11

James Robson ✔@JamesRobsonMEN

United are set to respond to Real's claims over collapsed De Gea deal

lol, there will be world war 3.

LuckyLloyd

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

a good honest club is madrid, they'd never spin the something to cover their asses and to make themselves look good

I'm sure Utd are a good honest club too? No doubt Utd will release a counter statement in time.

raze_them_all_

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm sure Utd are a good honest club too? No doubt Utd will release a counter statement in time.

oh im sure united will, I just find it highly unprofessional by madrid, and it forces united to respond which is unprofessional anyway

Harry Palmr

Three hours and 54 minutes to go

glued

Didn't the LFP say that they received the United side of the docs in time? I don't really know how anybody can blame anybody else but Real Madrid over this. Marca, aka Real Madrid, started by blaming United to eventually blaming Navas.

They have been in negotiations with De Gea for months and it they wanted the deal to happen they should have done it weeks ago as De Gea wanted to leave. Now it looks like something has gone wrong with paperwork and Madrid are trying to save face.

The only losers here are De Gea, Real Madrid and the Shareholders of Manchester United. None of which the fans should care about. If De Gea doesn't want to play then he risks missing out on the Euros.

Don't really care about the whole situation tbh as long as I never have to see Romero in goals again!

Corholio

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

oh im sure united will, I just find it highly unprofessional by madrid, and it forces united to respond which is unprofessional anyway

If there's confusion why shouldn't they respond, people already make up their minds that Real are 100% to blame before anything was said anyway. Madrid may be to blame of course, but there's a lot of naivety from some in how business is done in the football world, and the 'bad guys' 'good guys' nonsense.

raze_them_all_

Corholio wrote: »

If there's confusion why wouldn't they respond, people already make up their minds that Real are 100% to blame before anything was said anyway.

It's professional because it amounts to a he said she said public squabble situation with companies worth over a billion quid.

jpboard1

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm sure Utd are a good honest club too? No doubt Utd will release a counter statement in time.

They have to convince DDG that they are not messing him around. Thats the most important thing.

Corholio

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

It's professional because it amounts to a he said she said public squabble situation with companies worth over a billion quid.

Real Madrid have released 1 statement. The 'squabbling' info is all press generated.

raze_them_all_

Corholio wrote: »

Real Madrid have released 1 statement. The 'squabbling' info is all press generated.

How many other failed transfers get a 10 point press release saying we did everything you screwed us?

jpboard1

Seems strange that Pedro said that Utd moved too slow and now we have a similar situation here. What are they up to?

Hercule Poirot

Can De Gea not sign for Madrid for free in January? Or am I wrong? De Gea is onto a win either way - he can take Madrid to the cleaners wages wise and Madrid (having saved 29m (or whatever it was)) will only be too happy to give it to him.

I feel sorry for Navas though, a decent keeper who knows he isn't wanted and won't get near United next summer as they will move onto someone else.

Corholio

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

How many other failed transfers get a 10 point press release saying we did everything you screwed us?

Probably the same amount that involved nearly 30 million that fell apart in the last seconds where 1 club is blamed before anything even came out about it. Just another regular transfer.

Cookiemunster

jpboard1 wrote: »

Seems strange that Pedro said that Utd moved too slow and now we have a similar situation here. What are they up to?

How did Utd move to slow in selling a player they didn't want to sell? Madrid are the ones who moved too slow here. They had all summer and they knew what Utd wanted.

Turtyturd

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Damn you Kersplat


Real Madrid statement IN FULL as they point finger at Man United over David De Gea transfer farce

Real Madrid will not appeal to FIFA over David De Gea's bungled move to the Bernabeu, and the Manchester United goalkeeper will now remain at Old Trafford.

The Spanish giants and ten-time Champions League winners were made aware that, having missed the registration deadline with the LFP, even had De Gea been allowed to complete his switch that he could not have played in La Liga until January.

Madrid this lunchtime released a numbered statement, translated in full here:

1. Manchester United didn't open any path of negotiation for the registration rights to David De Gea until yesterday morning.

2. Real Madrid, despite the difficulties associated with completing a deal of this type on the final day of registration, accepted the initiating of these conversations.

3. When Manchester United entered into these negotiations yesterday morning they did so subject to being able to reach an agreement with Real Madrid player Keylor Navas, in order that he would join the British club from this season, and informed that they were in contact with the representatives of said player.

4. Real Madrid and Manchester United arrived quickly at an agreement for the transfers of both players. After the editing of the relevant contractual documents and with the intention of proceeding with enough time to get everything sent to the Transfer Matching System of FIFA (TMS) as well as his registration with the Spanish Football League (LFP), Real Madrid resent the contracts to Manchester United at 13:39 Spanish time.

5. Manchester United sent back their comments on said contracts eight hours later, at 21:43 Spanish time, including small modifications. Due to not being relevant, all of the modifications were accepted immediately by Real Madrid with the intention of being able to register the player on time in the TMS and with the LFP.

6. Real Madrid, having obtained the signatures of David De Gea and Keylor Navas, sent back to the English club the signed contracts at 23:32 Spanish time, waiting to receive the final documents signed by Manchester United.


7. Manchester United reached a final agreement with the representatives of Keylor Navas at 23:53 Spanish time and it was at this time that the contracts were sent to the player to be signed.

8. Manchester United entered into the TMS all the information for the De Gea deal, but not those for Keylor Navas, at 00:00 Spanish time, sending back to Real Madrid at the same time the signed transfer contracts. Real Madrid received the completed documentation at 00:02 and tried to access the TMS, but found it to already be closed.

9. At 00:26 Spanish time the FIFA computer system, TMS, invited Real Madrid to fill in the details for David De Gea, given that the registration period in England continues to be open until today. Real Madrid, with the prospect of some contention over the transfer of the player, decided to send the contracts to the LFP, even knowing that the period had expired.

10. Definitively, Real Madrid had done everything necessary, at all times, to ensure that these two transfers happened.

This was actually the easier version to read.

jpboard1

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Can De Gea not sign for Madrid for free in January? Or am I wrong? De Gea is onto a win either way - he can take Madrid to the cleaners wages wise and Madrid (having saved 29m (or whatever it was)) will only be too happy to give it to him.

I feel sorry for Navas though, a decent keeper who knows he isn't wanted and won't get near United next summer as they will move onto someone else.

Who do you think they will go for?

Beefy78

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Can De Gea not sign for Madrid for free in January? Or am I wrong? De Gea is onto a win either way - he can take Madrid to the cleaners wages wise and Madrid (having saved 29m (or whatever it was)) will only be too happy to give it to him.

I feel sorry for Navas though, a decent keeper who knows he isn't wanted and won't get near United next summer as they will move onto someone else.

Yeah he can sign a pre-contract in January and move for free in the summer. Or the two clubs could agree a nominal fee in January so Madrid get him half way through the year. If he is not cup-tied for Europe at that point and United have got someone else playing ok then that wouldn't surprise me.

jpboard1

Cookiemunster wrote: »

How did Utd move to slow in selling a player they didn't want to sell? Madrid are the ones who moved too slow here. They had all summer and they knew what Utd wanted.

Whether they wanted to or not it was in their interest to move the player on. Now its a big mess to clean up.

inforfun

jpboard1 wrote: »

Who do you think they will go for?

Cillesen maybe if Van Gaal is still there.
But as i said earlier, Van Gaal will not finish his contract at Utd.
Just cant see that happening with all this **** going on, no small part his own fault.

SlickRic

this is fúcking epic.

i do feel for de Gea a little in this though (setting aside his multi-million pound fortune for a second).

he wants to go back to Madrid because it's his home, and also because LVG has quite obviously frozen him out.

all he needs is for Madrid to stump up the money, but they play Billy Big Bollocks.

it goes to the last minute, someone or some people, outside of his control, fúck it all up, and now he's stuck in a country he doesn't really want to be in, working for a manager he doesn't really want to work for.

he can wipe his tears away with his cash, but it's still a bit shít.

Cookiemunster

jpboard1 wrote: »

Whether they wanted to or not it was in their interest to move the player on. Now its a big mess to clean up.

But they didn't dither. Real did. Utd had a price and have said all summer that unless that price was met they'd keep De Gea and let him move on a free next year. I fail to see how they now have a mess to clean up.
How about Real who have a keeper who now knows that he's not wanted and will be out the door by the end of the season.

Lovely Bloke

SlickRic wrote: »

he wants to go back to Madrid because it's his home, and also because LVG has quite obviously frozen him out.

No, the "freezing out" is because he wanted to leave. It made sense for LVG to go with Romero (or a.n other keeper) when it was obvious DDG wanted out.

Anything else would have been negligent by the manager.

"Frozen out" is such a tabloid term Slick, you used to be better than that.

Corholio

Cookiemunster wrote: »

But they didn't dither. Real did. Utd had a price and have said all summer that unless that price was met they'd keep De Gea and let him move on a free next year. I fail to see how they now have a mess to clean up.
How about Real who have a keeper who now knows that he's not wanted and will be out the door by the end of the season.

You mean like how he's known for months since they've wanted to sign De Gea?

Beefy78

Cookiemunster wrote: »

But they didn't dither. Real did. Utd had a price and have said all summer that unless that price was met they'd keep De Gea and let him move on a free next year. I fail to see how they now have a mess to clean up.
How about Real who have a keeper who now knows that he's not wanted and will be out the door by the end of the season.

As soon as they decided not to play him that first league game they should have been hammering out a deal with Madrid - who have seemed more than happy to wait until next summer and pick him up on a free.

Obviously they weren't to know that the deal would collapse at literally the last minute but both clubs look an absolute shambles in all of this. Hopefully they'll be able to get de Gea to play.

inforfun

Giggsy11

SlickRic wrote: »

this is fúcking epic.

i do feel for de Gea a little in this though (setting aside his multi-million pound fortune for a second).

he wants to go back to Madrid because it's his home, and also because LVG has quite obviously frozen him out.

all he needs is for Madrid to stump up the money, but they play Billy Big Bollocks.

it goes to the last minute, someone or some people, outside of his control, fúck it all up, and now he's stuck in a country he doesn't really want to be in, working for a manager he doesn't really want to work for.

he can wipe his tears away with his cash, but it's still a bit shít.

Van Gaal said many times De Gea will play once the window shuts and it looks more likely that he will play against Liverpool.

Why feel for De Gea? Just spend 10 more months in the country he has already spent 4 years and he can pocket **** loads of money with signing on fee.

Harry Palmr

Christ all Sky can do is hype up the gross spend. Dulllllll.

jpboard1

Cookiemunster wrote: »

But they didn't dither. Real did. Utd had a price and have said all summer that unless that price was met they'd keep De Gea and let him move on a free next year. I fail to see how they now have a mess to clean up.
How about Real who have a keeper who now knows that he's not wanted and will be out the door by the end of the season.

You could say exactly the same about united.

At least Real willing be saving a load of money whereas united will be losing a load.

klose

inforfun wrote: »

He looked poor in the champions league play off but by all accounts he's a very good defender. Another "shrewd" signing for the saints?

gandalf

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Christ all Sky can do is hype up the gross spend. Dulllllll.

Did they have a "swosh" soundeffect with it

SlickRic

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

"Frozen out" is such a tabloid term Slick, you used to be better than that.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Christ all Sky can do is hype up the gross spend. Dulllllll.

I can't watch ssn at the moment but assume Jim white is getting excited / spunking himself about sweet **** all

Harry Palmr

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I can't watch ssn at the moment but assume Jim white is getting excited / spunking himself about sweet **** all

White isn't even on duty yet. That voice could slice granite so I'll be watching with the sound down by that point.

jamesbere

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I can't watch ssn at the moment but assume Jim white is getting excited / spunking himself about sweet **** all

Breaking. news. just. innnnn.

Cookiemunster

jpboard1 wrote: »

You could say exactly the same about united.

At least Real willing be saving a load of money whereas united will be losing a load.

But Utd were always willing to take the hit and play him for the rest of the season. LVG already said that he had a future at the club after September 1st. The money isn't really an issue here, it was about Utd telling Real that they won't be walked on.

inforfun

klose wrote: »

He looked poor in the champions league play off but by all accounts he's a very good defender. Another "shrewd" signing for the saints?

I think he ll be found out.

Been cries for him to play in the Dutch team for ages as well but you are just not very good when you play in Holland for Groningen and Ajax, Feyenoord and/or PSV never showed interest in you.

At the other hand, Yoshida who never came further than VVV also plays premiere league.

Rayne Wooney

Frozen out, or you know not playing a goalkeeper who wants to leave which could affect his performances

Van Gaal had said he would play when the transfer stuff was sorted out and his head was back in it afaik

jpboard1

Cookiemunster wrote: »

But Utd were always willing to take the hit and play him for the rest of the season. LVG already said that he had a future at the club after September 1st. The money isn't really an issue here, it was about Utd telling Real that they won't be walked on.

So now the club get no money for a keeper who doesn't want to play for them. Not a great move to be honest. I would think he'll be gone in January.

jpboard1

Any word on Mane to United?

Cookiemunster

jpboard1 wrote: »

So now the club get no money for a keeper who doesn't want to play for them. Not a great move to be honest. I would think he'll be gone in January.

He won't be. He might sign a pre contract in January, but he'll be first choice keeper for the rest of the season.

Rayne Wooney

jpboard1 wrote: »

Any word on Mane to United?

My take on it is Martial was higher up the list than Mane and when Monaco got knocked out of Europe the chance came to sign him

Lovely Bloke

jpboard1 wrote: »

So now the club get no money for a keeper who doesn't want to play for them. Not a great move to be honest. I would think he'll be gone in January.

To where? He'll be CL Cup tied. So if he goes to Real and starts playing league games, that will piss off whatever other keeper has been playing games up until then.

Amazing strategy, almost as good as not sending documents.

Harry Palmr

Three hours and one minute left

Van Dijk to Soton done.