How do ye think Roscommon will vote in the Marriage Equality referendum?

OldMrBrennan83

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Addle

Always wanted to see Roscommon put on the map, but not like this.
I find it a great pity.

Addle

It is testimony to the tolerance, decency, and generosity of people in the county and 17,615 reasons to be proud where Yes Rossies are concerned. Of which I am one

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/it-s-not-easy-being-a-yes-roscommon-voter-post-referendum-1.2224140

biko

Suckler wrote: »

It's an awful pity there aren't basic intelligence tests at polling stations.

Not on, use a more civil tone henceforth.

Santa Cruz

Lets not forget the hundreds of thousands who didn't bother their arse either way to vote

Richard Bingham

spurious wrote: »

Seriously though, I feel sorry for young LGBT Roscommon people.

Imagine walking down the street in your town/village knowing over half the people you pass (work with, go to college with, are related to) do not consider you worth treating equally?

You don't think you're being a little extreme?

I was socialising with gay people in the mid 90's at a time when most of the new liberals who voted Yes on Friday were still referring to them in terms which I found hard to listen to and won't repeat here, and I voted No on Friday. I treated gay people as equals before it was cool to do so. I have always felt that in a country which has such a high rate of suicide we should be more tolerant and more Christian towards everyone. Being homosexual has been a hard path and thankfully it should be a lot easier from now on.

The truth is that the behaviour of some of the Yes side has been disgraceful. The issue wasn't debated because any debate was guillotined by the Yes side who labelled anyone with a view which differed from theirs, as a bigot. This would be funny if it wasn't tragic. The ignorance of it is stupifying.

People can be accepting of something without being in favour of every decision which has to be made in relation to it. I'm in favour of more realistic speed limits on some of our roads, it doesn't mean I want speed limits abolished.

Marriage isn't the only thing gay people need, they need acceptance too. I know several people who voted Yes but who feel the need to point out that "such a one is gay" at any opportunity. Do you think that they are really on the side of gay people?

The main reason the referendum result was so one sided is because it is now cool to be liberal and because any discussion of possible negative consequences was guillotined.

I think that there is other legislation which needed to be introduced before gay marriage is. If everyone is sure that our government will do this in a proper and timely fashion then fine, but I doubt it. I believe that they are already long fingering it.

I think it's likely that a significant number of those who voted No on Friday would have been happy to vote Yes if their concerns had been addressed instead of them effectively being told to shut up. That's how a democracy should work.

There's nothing more illiberal than an illiberal liberal.

Mickeroo

Patww79 wrote: »

I thought it was a democratic vote? Did you want the options on the card to be Yes and Yes?

Right and Wrong would have been acceptable.

SpaceTime

I think we need to remember that we voted in one big national constituency on this in reality.

I'm disappointed it wasn't a clean sweep of all the constituencies, but this wasn't voted for on a constituency-by-constituency basis so those more than 17,000 Yes votes counted towards the final national total.

The tide has turned and hopefully Roscommon and South Leitrim won't be left behind.

It's not really the nicest message to have sent the local LGBT community though.

Mickeroo

SpaceTime wrote: »

I think we need to remember that we voted in one big national constituency on this in reality.

I'm disappointed it wasn't a clean sweep of all the constituencies, but this wasn't voted for on a constituency-by-constituency basis so those more than 17,000 Yes votes counted towards the final national total.

The tide has turned and hopefully Roscommon and South Leitrim won't be left behind.

It's not really the nicest message to have sent the local LGBT community though.

In fairness, it was a tight margin in plenty of constituencies and Roscommon/South Leitrim were just unlucky to fall the wrong side of it. It's pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things and bar the odd joke it will be most likely forgotten soon enough.

Suckler

SpaceTime wrote: »

It's not really the nicest message to have sent the local LGBT community though.

The same message that most other constituencies send out - it was only decided by a narrow margin in many other places. You'd swear it was a clean sweep countrywide and an utter defeat in Roscommon alone the way people are banging on about it. If some of the "Yes" supporters had their way they'd want a Lisbon treaty style re-run in Roscommon so the voters could have another go. It's a nasty and dangerous precedent being set whereby people are being vilified en masse.

SpaceTime

It's unfortunate, as a very small number of votes would have put it over the edge.

I don't think you'll be vilified, don't worry but I'd say much like Cork North West (which voted against divorce by a narrow margin too) you'll be shorthand for conservatives for quite a while.

Main thing is the national vote carried very comfortably.

OldMrBrennan83

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Suckler

SpaceTime wrote: »

I don't think you'll be vilified, don't worry but ..

Take a look through various tweets and facebook posts, it had started as soon as results were starting to become apparent. Marian Keys tried to play her tweet off as "humour"gone wrong. :rolleyes:

John_Rambo

Richard Bingham wrote: »

I treated gay people as equals before it was cool to do so.

It's not "cool" for most people, it's just they way it is. I grew up with gay people in my life throughout the seventies, eighties and nineties. My parents friends were gay, their kids were my friends and I had gay friends and family growing up. This "new liberal" phrase you've coined up is bizarre. Sounds like you voted no just to be different and edgy. There's nothing "fashionable" about equal rights. In fact you should leave fashion out of it when it comes to these decisions that are life changing for people.

Richard Bingham wrote: »

Marriage isn't the only thing gay people need

You believe that Marriage equality is needed, but you voted no as some sort of misguided protest?

:rolleyes:

DellyBelly

I heard a rumour that Elton John was supposed to be playing a concert in Roscommon over the summer but i guess that won'tbe happening now. Although i have heard based on the results that a new version of the movie deliverance will be shot there over the coming weeks. Every silver lining and all that.

Addle

My maths is very much open to correction, but I think the Roscommon no vote made up just under 3% of the national no vote.
Get over it.

Richard Bingham

John_Rambo wrote: »

I grew up with gay people in my life throughout the seventies, eighties and nineties. My parents friends were gay, their kids were my friends and I had gay friends and family growing up.

Your parents friends were gay and you were friends with their kids. Their surrogate kids.

In the 70's, when everyone else who was openly gay was being beaten up and ostracised.

BS.

Yeah I bet your were as gay as Christmas (now that it's in fashion).

John_Rambo

Richard Bingham wrote: »

Your parents friends were gay and you were friends with their kids. Their surrogate kids.

In the 70's, when everyone else who was openly gay was being beaten up and ostracised.

BS.

It's not BS! Do you think gay people arrived on Ireland's shores in the 90's when you first met a gay person? My parents had gay friends. They were openly gay amongst their friends and peers. They had kids, I played with their kids, I'm still in contact with one of them, what's so mad about that?

Richard Bingham wrote: »

Yeah I bet your were as gay as Christmas (now that it's in fashion).

Sorry? You bet I was gay now? I'm guessing you were drunk when you typed this out and it made perfect sense. Funny to see the prejudice leaking out accusing me of being gay like it's a bad thing!

Still amused at you think it's a fashion.

No Voter And Proud

I'm proud of Roscommon anyway.
We're the last ones holdin the line!

RoscommonTom

No Voter And Proud wrote: »

I'm proud of Roscommon anyway.
We're the last ones holdin the line!

Your dead right, the rest of the country is gone pure mad , I couldnt care less what the jacks think of us

John_Rambo

RoscommonTom wrote: »

the rest of the country is gone pure mad

You do know you're no vote was defeated? Gay men and gay women can get married in Roscommon, and they will.

It was a country wide decision. The whole country has gone pure common sense.

You're the one on the internet with the artificial vagina masturbation device.

Banjoxed

RoscommonTom wrote: »

Your dead right, the rest of the country is gone pure mad , I couldnt care less what the jacks think of us

Dear (51% of) Roscommon,

Thanks for taking the mad yee-haw mantle from us.

Love and Kisses,

Donegal.

RoscommonTom

John_Rambo wrote: »

You do know you're no vote was defeated? Gay men and gay women can get married in Roscommon, and they will.

It was a country wide decision. The whole country has gone pure common sense.

You're the one on the internet with the artificial vagina masturbation device.

I dont think therell be many gay fellas getting married in ros,

No Voter And Proud

RoscommonTom wrote: »

I dont think therell be many gay fellas getting married in ros,

They should run a special offer in the abbey hotel, have your wedding reception in the only county to reject gay marriage.
Straight couples only!

weisses

RoscommonTom wrote: »

I dont think therell be many gay fellas getting married in ros,

Who wants to get married there anyway ?? Gay or straight

Jamsiek

No Voter And Proud wrote: »

They should run a special offer in the abbey hotel, have your wedding reception in the only county to reject gay marriage.
Straight couples only!

They should make YMCA the official anthem of Roscommon

John_Rambo

weisses wrote: »

Who wants to get married there anyway ?? Gay or straight

Good point. Revenue lost, bad for business, bad for Roscommon.

cuculainn

John_Rambo wrote: »

Good point. Revenue lost, bad for business, bad for Roscommon.

Are you for real.......give it a month and ask people can they remember what constituency voted no for SSM and you wont get many right answers.....there probably wont be many people who even remember there was a referendum

John_Rambo

cuculainn wrote: »

Are you for real.......give it a month and ask people can they remember what constituency voted no for SSM and you wont get many right answers.....there probably wont be many people who even remember there was a referendum

People will remember. They always do, why would they forget there was a referendum? They remember the divorce referendum. Also, it will be on reeling in the years.

For ever.

No Voter And Proud

John_Rambo wrote: »

People will remember. They always do, why would they forget there was a referendum? They remember the divorce referendum. Also, it will be on reeling in the years.

For ever.

Claim to fame if ever i saw one!

road_high

People will remember. At the time of the result people were constantly referring to Roscommon. And not in a positive light. Sadly, it simply reinforced a view that Roscommon is backward and became a bit of a Running joke. Met and know lots of rossies and they are the soundest, most genuine people you'd meet anywhere.
I think what happened was the Yes Equality campaign overlooked Roscommon as there is no large urban centre (over 10k people). If more resources and effort had been put in, it likely have been different. There was a huge canvess done in most parts of the country too.

I heard co longford singly voted no but as it's in with Westmeath, overall it was a Yes. Same possibly with co Monaghan I think.

Suckler

road_high wrote: »

I think what happened was the Yes Equality campaign overlooked Roscommon as there is no large urban centre (over 10k people). If more resources and effort had been put in, it likely have been different. There was a huge canvess done in most parts of the country too.

Nonsense. You'd swear the "No" votes won a landslide victory. There were plenty of other constituencies that were low 50%'s V high 40% narrow margins wins for the "Yes" side.

road_high

Suckler wrote: »

Nonsense. You'd swear the "No" votes won a landslide victory. There were plenty of other constituencies that were low 50%'s V high 40% narrow margins wins for the "Yes" side.

Why is it nonsense? Roscommon voted No, end of! I've pointed out other places where the yes vote was marginal and counties where it was No so I've already made the same point as you.

Addle

What referendum?

Suckler

road_high wrote: »

Why is it nonsense? Roscommon voted No, end of! I've pointed out other places where the yes vote was marginal and counties where it was No so I've already made the same point as you.

Smacks of condescension - "if the Yes campaign paid more attention to the un-urbanised then the would have voted the right way"

The "I know a lot of sound Rossies" is just pointless. I know plenty of Rossies that are the opposite but it doesn't add anything to the results.
You're mixing up counties and constituencies for some bizarre reason also.

Santa Cruz

No point highlighting Roscommon when Dublin consituencies with far greater populations laso had a high percentage of Nos.
No point imagining every person you meet in D4 was in favour