Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread Part 2

Ave Sodalis

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm more of the opinion that having open discussion on their views, and giving them the opportunity to explain their ill-informed views whilst having them listen to where they are wrong, is the best way to approach them. Denying them the opportunity to express their views will only encourage a siege mentality, and that is a bad thing when >30% of the country don't believe that homosexuals should be treated just like everyone else.

I don't think you've been following my posts too well if you think I deny anyone the opportunity to express their views. They have the right to express their views, the same way I have a right to express mine about those views. The people I am referring to have absolutely no interest in discussion.

mickydoomsux

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm more of the opinion that having open discussion on their views, and giving them the opportunity to explain their ill-informed views whilst having them listen to where they are wrong, is the best way to approach them. Denying them the opportunity to express their views will only encourage a siege mentality, and that is a bad thing when >30% of the country don't believe that homosexuals should be treated just like everyone else.

What they think or why they think it doesn't matter any more.

They lost. They had their chance to make their argument during the campaign and at the polling booths yesterday and they lost.

Their opinion is irrelevant at this stage.

Not a NSA agent

Zemuppet wrote: »

Just looking through US news websites, surprise surprise fox news is the only one without it the story on their front page. Christ even msnbc news site has Panti as its main headline

Im surprised, I was expecting "Obama attempts to destroy Christianity in Ireland"

jojofizzio

Leo looking particularly hot in his civvies on RTE 1....

C.K Dexter Haven

Donegal south west- scraped through with just .05% Yes margin :eek::eek:

Pudsy33

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

Donegal south west- scraped through with just .05% Yes margin :eek::eek:

33 votes!

Ave Sodalis

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

Donegal south west- scraped through with just .05% Yes margin :eek::eek:

Pudsy33 wrote: »

33 votes!

I was genuinely expecting an out and out no so I'll take the scrape by and settle for it!

MightyMandarin

sup_dude wrote: »

I don't think you've been following my posts too well if you think I deny anyone the opportunity to express their views. They have the right to express their views, the same way I have a right to express mine about those views. The people I am referring to have absolutely no interest in discussion.

Ok but you said you won't listen to it, which if a person is trying to explain their views, is denying them the opportunity to be heard. A lot of the people I referring to have no problem engaging in open discussion, but unfortunately, a lot of people have no interest in listening to their opinion.

Homophobes, racists, sexists etc. can become more tolerant like the rest of society, but only if we stop them from entering into a siege mentality. The only way to combat racism, homophobia and sexism is by entering open and frank discussion, allowing both sides to explain their views, and hopefully they will see where they are going wrong.

Bacchus

wakka12 wrote: »

Id like to see an age group analysis of the results. You'd think that it was the 18-26/27 age group who scooped this win due to about 90%+ of them being in favour of it,and that'd be amazing! Young people shaping the future and all.. but it'd be a nice surprise to see if there was a larger support from the older generations than you'd think..a country more unified on the issue

Not sure anything like this would be possible though. The votes are anonymous and there were no exit polls.

mcmoustache

murpho999 wrote: »

Well it's normal for victims of discrimination to stop being victims when discrimination ends.

They will still be victims. They can still be fired from schools and hospitals simply for being gay if the schools/hospitals have a religious ethos.

murpho999

Here we go...official result on the way.

Lingua Franca

Could somebody please send some maths students and an abacus down to Cork ASAP, please-and-thank-you.

Edit, NM, someone must have turned up with a calculator.

murpho999

mcmoustache wrote: »

They will still be victims. They can still be fired from schools and hospitals simply for being gay if the schools/hospitals have a religious ethos.

Don't accept this as it's totally illegal.

Ave Sodalis

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Ok but you said you won't listen to it, which if a person is trying to explain their views, is denying them the opportunity to be heard. A lot of the people I referring to have no problem engaging in open discussion, but unfortunately, a lot of people have no interest in listening to their opinion.

Homophobes, racists, sexists etc. can become more tolerant like the rest of society, but only if we stop them from entering into a siege mentality. The only way to combat racism, homophobia and sexism is by entering open and frank discussion, allowing both sides to explain their views, and hopefully they will see where they are going wrong.

No, again, you're reading my posts wrong. I won't listen to the vileness that they're spewing. They have no interest in explaining it further than vileness. If you've been following these threads, you will notice that I always asked for an explanation for opposing opinions and always gave them a chance to explain.

I don't think you realise the power of the concept of normality.

C.K Dexter Haven

sup_dude wrote: »

I was genuinely expecting an out and out no so I'll take the scrape by and settle for it!

oh indeed- it's just such a close margin, it goes to show, every vote can count; even if it doesn't make a difference to the overall result either way, I'm sure there are some people in that area tonight, proud that they helped to get a "yes" vote for that constituency.

marienbad

wakka12 wrote: »

What exactly do they mean when they say we should think about the 700,000 who voted no? Like yes thats a lot of people but theyre still a minority, the majority of people don't agree with them. And this is a democracy so the laws changing, so what dot hey expect

And they are only a minority on a single issue . Furthermore it is a loss that costs them nothing unlike the 1st divorce referendum when there was a much bigger minority and thousands of men and women were trapped in loveless marriages for another 10 years .

**** 'em , I for one am in no mood at least for the next few days to be gracious in victory .

MightyMandarin

sup_dude wrote: »

No, again, you're reading my posts wrong. I won't listen to the vileness that they're spewing. They have no interest in explaining it further than vileness. If you've been following these threads, you will notice that I always asked for an explanation for opposing opinions and always gave them a chance to explain.

I don't think you realise the power of the concept of normality.

So is it insults you ignore or non-abusive expressions of racism or homophobia? or both?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

oh indeed- it's just such a close margin, it goes to show, every vote can count; even if it doesn't make a difference to the overall result either way, I'm sure there are some people in that area tonight, proud that they helped to get a "yes" vote for that constituency.

I am one off those proud people 😉

murpho999

Bloody hell you'd think RTE would have extended coverage of this. Just go off air as soon as the result is announced.

Ave Sodalis

MightyMandarin wrote: »

So is it insults you ignore or non-abusive expressions of racism or homophobia? or both?

I've already answered this on more than one occasion. Other people have explained it to you too.

Aineoil

As John B Keane once said "Arise Knocknagoshel and take your place among the nations of the world."

We could put Ireland in there for Knocknagoshel.

Great day for Ireland and we still have the Eurovision to look forward to later on tonight.

Ave Sodalis

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I am one off those proud people 😉

As am I

Baggy Trousers

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you'd think RTE would have extended coverage of this. Just go off air as soon as the result is announced.

Blame the langers in Cork taking so bloody long!

Worth waiting for though!

ricero

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you'd think RTE would have extended coverage of this. Just go off air as soon as the result is announced.

The million euro challenge is more important

Pudsy33

The big Ole Ole Ole on Tv3 was class. I'm genuinely delighted and proud.

namloc1980

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you'd think RTE would have extended coverage of this. Just go off air as soon as the result is announced.

Meanwhile it's the lead headline on Sky News amongst others.

Un Croissant

What a time to be Irish. I've been a wreck all day.

C.K Dexter Haven

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I am one off those proud people 😉

sup_dude wrote: »

As am I

ah right, so now we're gonna have 1/2 a million Donegal people in the next while claim credit for that outcome! :D:P

Well done!;)

seamey beag84

Ah, ffs.. would you not think rte would have some sort of coverage after the result.. show the celebrations..

C.K Dexter Haven

Pudsy33 wrote: »

The big Ole Ole Ole on Tv3 was class. I'm genuinely delighted and proud.

Vincent Browne really does know how to put on a good show:P

Aineoil

Un Croissant wrote: »

What a time to be Irish. I've been a wreck all day.

I have never smoked so many cigarettes all day! I was so nervous.

joseph brand

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you'd think RTE would have extended coverage of this. Just go off air as soon as the result is announced.

TV3.

murpho999

seamey beag84 wrote: »

Ah, ffs.. would you not think rte would have some sort of coverage after the result.. show the celebrations..

It annoys me that I have to switch to a foreign channel for coverage of a major Irish story.

colossus-x

I can't help but be reminded of when Panti won the 'person of the year' award whey she quipped 'don't worry ppl of roscommon, things will get better'. She obviously knows Roscommon well !

Hitchens

wedding photographers are minted

Aidric

Shame TV3 geo blocked their coverage so I couldn't tune in. Vincent and Bosco in the George sounds like a perfect acid trip.

Turtyturd

Just caught the end of tv3's coverage Vincent Brown just didn't seem like the right presenter for it, but fairly progressive of them to get a drag queen co-host.

Fair play to everyone who did the right thing and saw through the deflection and bullsh*t arguments put forth by the no side.

Mr.Nice Guy

Great news. A No result would have been a travesty.

Go Ireland! I'll raise a glass to Oscar Wilde this evening in his memory.

My name is URL

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/602055121158197248

willmunny1990

Un Croissant wrote: »

What a time to be Irish. I've been a wreck all day.

Aineoil wrote: »

I have never smoked so many cigarettes all day! I was so nervous.

Why nervous? it was never going to be anything but a resounding yes vote.

I just can't wait for this to be over now, I was in favor of the yes vote but the way the yes crowd and campaign carried on during this whole thing has been appalling and incredibly annoying.

P_1

Never been happier to rip up a betting docket

Aineoil

colossus-x wrote: »

I can't help but be reminded of when Panti won the 'person of the year' award whey she quipped 'don't worry ppl of roscommon, things will get better'. She obviously knows Roscommon well !

Maybe Panti does? But why were Roscommon off the mark?

Some people have alluded to lack of canvassing as an issue. I live in Clare and no one came to my door to canvass.

I just felt like this (facebook post from yesterday)

"Just about an hour of voting left in the Irish referendum on same sex

marriage. The referendum is about equality, it's not about adoption ,

surrogacy or other issues the "no's" and the undecideds are talking about.

If your deep feelings are to vote no, I understand that. But just hear

me out on this. My son's best friend is lesbian (both 17). It was very difficult

for her to tell her parents. Thankfully her parents were and are very

supportive of her. Who am I to tell her that she has no right to marriage

when my son, who is heterosexual has? To deny the youth of Ireland equality

is just wrong. The referendum won't affect me but my vote will."

Frank Bullitt

I heard that Ashers bakery have a sale on now for humble pie.

LookingFor

Just so amazed and happy right now.

I've spent years debating this stuff...I'm so happy no one here will ever have to go through that again.

Thank you everybody!

murpho999

joseph brand wrote: »

TV3.

Nothing on there either, more like a foreign channel anyway...Britain's got Talent the whole night!

Huntergonzo

I'm not gay myself and I'm not even a huge fan of marriage but I voted Yes and quite honestly I think it's one of the proudest days I've ever spent as an Irish person so congratulations to our homosexual citizens, marry away :-)

AbeZeller

Well done comrades, with each passing day we learn that the Gentiles are brainless sheep and will believe anything we tell them. It was necessary to say that the institution of marriage will not change, but that was a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change and it should change. And again, I believe it should not exist.

By liberating the masses and giving them endless sexual 'rights' we can take their economic & political freedom before their very eyes and they will do nothing about it. They will live under the illusion that they are free. Soon children, the world will be ours and the Gentiles, being mere excrements of animals, will possess nothing.

Aineoil

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Why nervous? it was never going to be anything but a resounding yes vote.

I was nervous because all my work colleagues were talking about voting no.

willmunny1990

Aineoil wrote: »

I was nervous because all my work colleagues were talking about voting no.

It was never going to effect the outcome though.

Aineoil

willmunny1990 wrote: »

It was never going to effect the outcome though.

Why?