Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread Part 2

niallo27

rob316 wrote: »

Another time man. Its a good day today every child born today in this country will be in a better country than yesterday.

Wasn't having a go or anything just was genuinely curious.

Alt J

Just switched on the rte player, any ideas when the result is ?

sjb25

Good mad David norris lol all the Brits fault

efb

We did it, we did it, we did it!!!

WoolyJumper

God I love David Norris

Edit: I just realised out of context that looks I was declaring my unending love for him. I was just really enthused by what he was saying on RTE :P

ronivek

myshirt wrote: »

I think it is shameful that those who wish to act in the best interests of children may now be afraid to do so for the risk of being called a homophobe. The yes campaign has been very intimidating to those on the no side who have held sincere views. We've got lost in some issues, which ultimately, if people communicated right, are not really the subject of disagreement amongst sensible thinking people. Equally, the no side has had some plonkers and very sinister minded people who have not helped. But this result is appalling. And no matter what may be said, an ultimate and fundamental issue is this issue of children, it is no herring, and now a platform has been enshrined in the constitution.

If someone who is empowered to act in the best interests of children is afraid to do so because someone might call them a homophobe; they should never have been put in that position in the first place.

The sincerity with which someone holds their views has absolutely nothing to do with the value inherent in those views. I'm sure Hitler was pretty sincere in his hatred of the Jews... does that somehow validate it? (Not comparing the Iona Institute to Nazi Germany or anything, just making a point.)

The issue of children was never a part of this referendum; now matter how many times the 'No' campaign tried to make it so. Legislation on surrogacy is in the pipeline and I'm sure there'll be plenty of debate and discussion to be entered in to.

And by the way; the snide and discriminatory assumption underpinning many of the "think of the children" arguments was that somehow homosexuals aren't capable of raising healthy/happy children... that somehow because a man and a woman can make a baby that that somehow instils an inherent ability to be the ideal parents is simply not true. The evidence and the research just does not support that argument; not even a little bit.

Aidric

Ireland is an inherently conservative country but also a country with an electorate capable of mature reflection when presented with the facts. The No campaign under the umbrella of a morally bankrupt catholic church resorted to scaremongering and skewing of the argument.

By contrast the Yes side led an engaging and articulate campaign underpinned by moving personal testimonies. The result was an overwhelming endorsement by the electorate for a move towards a more inclusive and equal country. Ireland will be a better place for it.

fiachr_a

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

I applied to be CEO of my company and I didn't get an interview because I'm only 30. Will be lodging a complaint to the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission on Monday

I'm going to my local Jewish bakery next week to get a cake made up with red icing and a black swastika on top. We're all equal now so it should be no problem!

Not a NSA agent

Alt J wrote: »

Just switched on the rte player, any ideas when the result is ?

5pm ish, its taking a bit longer because of the high turnout

JohnnyChimpo

fiachr_a wrote: »

I'm going to my local Jewish bakery next week to get a cake made up with red icing and a black swastika on top. We're all equal now so it should be no problem!

You can be simultaneously both in favour of equality and not in favour of a judicial ruling in NI, crazy I know...

whatismyname

Oh God, David Norris talking about the young people who'd taken their own lives over the years while the campaigning was ongoing, and how it's their day too. Has me in bits.

Doctor Jimbob

I know I've made a few smart assed responses on this, but if anyone out there is genuinely concerned about the effects of this on children, please do some research on what various children's organisations and social studies have to say on the matter.

joseph brand

Jester252 wrote: »

The Irish public have send a massive message of support for LBGT community, along with another message that rural Ireland isn't as backwards as people think.

Except Roscommon.

wakka12

Adamantium wrote: »

Looks this this has passed by an almost 2:1 vote. Amazingly the Presidential age referendum looks set to be defeated.

Yes to Equality except age equality.
The amazing thing is the amount of Yes for Equality Gay Marriage voters who have voted No on the Age Equality Presidential referendum.

The ****ing hypocrisy. Yes to equality, except...


That will tell you the mindset.

Everybody will get the chance to be old enough to become president.
Gay people never get the chance to be straight.
So just stop.

sjb25

David norris has me dying laughing
I'm going to be the flowergirl and the no campaigner will be the registrar looool

fiachr_a

WoolyJumper wrote: »

God I love David Norris

If you're a minor he'd love you draw a line of consent with him.

Libertewhite

"Oh darling, I feel less married to you today than I did yesterday". That guy on RTE is hilarious!

Alt J

Not a great day too be from Roscommon or Leitrim

murpho999

Senator just proposed live on RTE.

An unexpected lovely moment.

Proud to be Irish today.

Midkemia

joseph brand wrote: »

Except Roscommon.

There was no effort put into the campaign in Roscommon at all, no canvassers or anything. The place was even covered in vote no posters for weeks before there was a single vote yes poster.

WoolyJumper

Lol Miriam, David, Katherine and your man having the bants on Rte. What a lovely day

joseph brand

Anita Blow wrote: »

I see Paddy and Keith are being gracious in defeat.
Paddy claiming that they "won the argument but lost the vote". Is this guy delusional?

I wonder if either of them will avail of gay marriage in the future.

fiachr_a

Midkemia wrote: »

There was no effort put into the campaign in Roscommon at all, no canvassers or anything. The place was even covered in vote no posters for weeks before there was a single vote yes poster.

Most gays in those kips move to Dublin or London.

JohnnyChimpo

fiachr_a wrote: »

If you're a minor he'd love you draw a line of consent with him.

Yeah, gays are also inherently paedophiles. Thank you for regurgitating stale IONA smear campaigns as if they're witty bon mots that just occurred to you.

Alt J

anyone have a link to the percentage polls ?

JohnnyChimpo

Libertewhite wrote: »

That guy on RTE is hilarious!

Yes, that guy.

JohnnyChimpo

Alt J wrote: »

anyone have a link to the percentage polls ?

http://www.rte.ie/news/results/2015/referendum/ssm/

murpho999

Why does RTE give so much airtime to David Quinn and the Iona Institute.

Who the hell are they?

IamtheWalrus

When should I tune in to TV for the official announcement? I'm abroad.

galljga1

Alt J wrote: »

Not a great day too be from Roscommon or Leitrim

Was it ever?

DeadHand

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I don't disagree with him tbh and I'm not usually given to hyperbole. If you've spent your life being told you can't enjoy the same rights as hetero people when it comes to building a home and life with the person you love, purely because of the way you are, and now you can... it is momentous. It's more than just marriage - it symbolises and means something unfathomably huge to gay people. Just put yourself in their ruby slippers.

I'm genuinely happy for anyone who feels better about themselves because of today's result. I understand how it's seen as much bigger than the simple question of gay marriage. An acceptance.

Still, it's not the abolition of slavery or the repeal of the penal laws. It was not the most pressing issue of the time. I believe it was mostly a case of the political class giving itself an open goal by backing an overwhelmingly popular cause in order to boost their own popularity and distract from the real problems the nation faces. The Opposition uniformly failed miserably in its most basic duty- to oppose.

The internet is aflame with those who don't actually care but are eager to display their superficial liberal credentials. There are still massive question marks for me over the character of the both campaigns, the frankly disgraceful behaviour of certain institutions (most especially An Garda Siochana) and the sinister foreign influences and attempts at social engineering.

Anyway, the people have spoken! Glad it's over. Well done to everyone who campaigned for this in an honorable fashion. Well done to everyone who voted.

WoolyJumper

David Quinn "As the representative of the 35%" :rolleyes:

RoscommonTom

fiachr_a wrote: »

Most gays in those kips move to Dublin or London.

i dont know any gays in ros

Midkemia

fiachr_a wrote: »

Most gays in those kips move to Dublin or London.

Your right there is no gay community in Roscommon and the majority of gay people in Ireland do move to Dublin. Calling Roscommon a kip is a bit unfair, it's crap for young people that want the craic but grand apart from that.

PLL

Just had an awful realisation... the success from this referendum could see Enda holding onto his seat.

murpho999

WoolyJumper wrote: »

David Quinn "As the representative of the 35%" :rolleyes:

What is he on about, it was a yes/no question you don't need a representative group for a question.

Irish Aris

murpho999 wrote: »

Why does RTE give so much airtime to David Quinn and the Iona Institute.

Who the hell are they?

trust me, you don't want to know. . .

I'll give him that though: he is consistent in what he says, same "broken record".

As for the people asking us to be gracious, I will be gracious, no bother.
Can the No side also be gracious in their defeat?

c_man

PLL wrote: »

Just had an awful realisation... the success from this referendum could see Enda holding onto his seat.

Him losing? That would never, ever happen.

JohnnyChimpo

murpho999 wrote: »

Why does RTE give so much airtime to David Quinn and the Iona Institute.

Who the hell are they?

"balance"

WoolyJumper

53.6 Yes in Sligo North Leitrim

Libertewhite

Some guy on RTE is saying we should have had a free vote like the UK. What does free voting mean?

niallo27

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Is it? I find the questioning of people's sincerity on this matter quite disappointing tbh. People are mostly good - it's not that unfathomable that people want others to be able to build a life with their partner in the same manner that hetero people can do, and get to take for granted.

It the over the top bull**** from people you know wont give a **** next week about the matter. People love a bandwagon to jump on.

Del.Monte

sjb25 wrote: »

Want a snickers you seem cross

It's the hot weather and I can't abide the thinly veiled triumphalism now evident amongst some YES supporters.

WoolyJumper

Good man Dobo. In response to David going on about Politicans not having a free vote he said "I suppose we had the ultimate form of a free vote with a referendum"

Adamantium

Cold War Kid wrote: »

You are one poster whose rage at the yes campaign due to *some* elements of it (yet no rage from you at some elements of the no campaign) has really struck me. Possibly because you are articulate and seem intelligent.

What mindset? Do answer instead of just leaving the above as a drive-by post.

Not viewing someone as experienced enough (which they're not, at 21) for the role of a very senior public official is not being anti equality - it is viewing someone as not experienced enough for the role of a very senior public official. And you know this. It applies to every job ever - so you'd better start pretending to be annoyed by all those situations also.

Look I know it seems like rage, but I assure you it's not. For me it's the wider problems that will ensue that the road.

It's the governmental interferance that I don't like (and frankly have never liked in anything). I'm probably what you call a conservative and probably an atheist/agnostic. Oh spoke for me in this referendum?

Iona and much of the No side is indeed a loony brigade that make me embarassed to even mention I was voting No. They had good arguments for the No side, but who'd listen to them when people just think "Jesus freaks and religious nutters". We had LGBT people coming for the No side and being seen as traitors or simply "misguided" for want of a better word.

There was no party or independent opposition, even if they didn't have a personal view that they were afraid to discuss, but it was a responsibility of theirs to discuss evidence. Science reports of children (for all purposes being equal) being brought up in heterosexual two parent households almost always faring better vs same sex households.

Honestly it was terrible on both sides. I'm glad its over too. We will see how things fare in the future. I actually think you're all really sound here and nice people, but it wsn't my intention to disturb some of you/ or rile you up.

Duggy747

Well, that's embarrassing for Roscommon

Ghost Train

Libertewhite wrote: »

Some guy on RTE is saying we should have had a free vote like the UK. What does free voting mean?

I'd say he was talking about the politicians expressing their own vote instead of a political party collectively supporting one side

JohnnyChimpo

Libertewhite wrote: »

Some guy on RTE is saying we should have had a free vote like the UK. What does free voting mean?

In the parliamentary system practiced here, party members generally have to vote in line with their colleagues or face sanctions including expulsion.

ronivek

Duggy747 wrote: »

Well, that's embarrassing for Roscommon

We know one county which won't be doing many wedding receptions or civil ceremonies so :P

whatismyname

Loving all the marriage proposals

https://twitter.com/LimkAngel/status/602112086349619200