Equality of marriage and love

Links234

16 year old girl Shira Banki who was stabbed in the Jerusalem Pride parade has died

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.669161

Cabaal

Never spotted this at the time of the vote,

Same crowd who took the piss out of the Iona anti marriage video

pretty amusing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMaUKT6lFLs

Going Strong

Divorce and marriage equality referendums: ‘Family reality, not ideology, swayed voters’

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/divorce-and-marriage-equality-referendums-family-reality-not-ideology-swayed-voters-348368.html

robindch

Vitus Huonder, a Swiss catholic bishop, explained that gay people should be executed. Then backtracked to explain that he was "misunderstood":

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/08/03/did-a-catholic-bishop-just-say-gay-people-should-be-put-to-death/

Pink News wrote:

[...] Speaking during the ‘Joy in Faith’ conference in Germany, 73-year-old Bishop Vitus Huonder explained his views on homosexuality by citing passages from Leviticus.
He said: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
“Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality.” [...]

Hotblack Desiato

Check the fibres in that man's vestments immediately!! If they be mixed, he must surely be put to death.

Links234

www.rightwingwatch.org/content/linda-harvey-transgender-people-are-possessed-demons

Supposedly transgender people are possessed by demons. Awesome, fabulous demons, I might add

Cabaal

These guys need to **** right off and stop wasting people's time and tax payers money

http://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-appeal-2298627-Aug2015/

The organisations funding these guys also need to be named by the media,

Hotblack Desiato

Parents whose constitutional rights are violated by discriminatory, indoctrinating, religious schools can't afford to go running off to the Supreme Court.

We have system of law but no justice.

MrPudding

Cabaal wrote: »

These guys need to **** right off and stop wasting people's time and tax payers money

http://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-appeal-2298627-Aug2015/

The organisations funding these guys also need to be named by the media,

As is often the case, the comments are more entertaining than the story.

MrP

robindch

Hanna Moch from New York explains just how damaging it is to be raised by two women:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p030zvrg

Links234

http://www.thejournal.ie/marriage-equality-law-2300528-Aug2015/

Woop woop, it's legal now!

Fred Swanson

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MrPudding

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They got a bill.

MrP

mailforkev

Fred Swanson wrote: »

So what happened to the 2 lads who were appealing to the Supreme Court?

Probably getting their campaigns in place to stand for FF at the next election (again in one of their cases) now that their profiles are raised.

Peregrinus

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They have lodged the appeal, reportedly.

But neither the Court of Appeal nor the Supreme Court issued any stay on certifying the result of the referendum pending determination of the appeal, so Michael D went ahead and signed the referendum bill, which is now an Act.

Links234 wrote: »

Woop woop, it's legal now!

We're not quite there yet. The referendum Bill has passed into law, so the Constitution has been formally amended, and now provides that marriage is to involve two people "without distinction of sex", but still "in accordance with law". Current law the Civil Registration Act - still only provides for male/female marriages.

The next (and final) step is for the Oireachtas to amend the Civil Registration Act so that it will accommodate same-sex marriages. The government has already published a draft Bill to make this change, and there is now nothing stopping the Oireachtas from considering and passing that Bill. But the Dail isn't due to sit next until 22 September, and the Seanad until 23 September - they're on their summer holliers.

So, a few weeks yet.

Daith

Peregrinus wrote: »

The referendum Bill has passed into law, so the Constitution has been formally amended, and now provides that marriage is to involve two people "without distinction of sex", but still "in accordance with law". Current law the Civil Registration Act - still only provides for male/female marriages.

Just curious on this from a legal perspective.

Does the Constitution not overrule the law so to speak? The Constitution would state that marriage is between people of any sex so any law which restricts marriage to opposite sex would be unconstitutional? Would that be right?

I know the bill is going to the Dáil and so on so this is just a legal/hypothetical query.

Peregrinus

There's lots of areas in the Constitution which are left to be filled out and delimited by legislation.

For instance, Art. 28 the Constitution says that the Government is to have between 7 and 15 members, that it's to be responsible to Dail Eireann, that its members are to be members of the Dail or of the Seanad, but with a maximum of two from the Seanad, etc, etc. But it also says that the organisation and distribution of government business into departments, the designation of members of the government to be ministers in charge of departments, the arrangements for deputising for government members while they are ill or abroad, the remuneration of government members are all to be regulated "in accordance with law". So unless or until you have legislation in place for all that, Art 28 can't really operate effectively; you've got a government of wise heads around a table, but no government departments headed by Ministers.

Similarly Art 40.4.1 says that "No citizen shall be deprived of his personal liberty save in accordance with law". It's only because of those last words that we can have laws providing for, e.g., the arrest of people suspected of offences, the imprisonment of convicts or the involuntary detention of the dangerously mentally ill.

Similar provisions exist in relation to, e.g. elections to Dail Eireann, the acquisition and loss of citizenship, etc. There are constitutional provisions dealing with these things, but they are not self-executing; there needs to be legislation to fill in the details to make these things work, and there is a constitutional obligation on the Oireachtas to enact the necessary legislation.

The same-sex marriage referendum inserted these words:

" Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex."

In other words, you can't get married at all without a law regulating how marriages are solemnised - who can preside, what notice must be given, etc, etc. And as the law currently stands, it only accommodates opposite-sex marriages. It doesn't require much amendment to accommodate same-sex couples, but it does require some. So there's a constitutional imperative to amend the existing law to cover same-sex marriages. Legislation is a matter for the Oireachtas, not the courts. So, hypothetically, if you nipped into the High Court tomorrow to complain that you wished to marry your current Reason for Living, who happens to be of the same sex as you, and the Civil Registration Act doesn't allow this, the Court wouldn't tell the registrar to marry you anyway; it would point out to the Oireachtas the need to amend the Civil Registration Act to reflect the altered terms of the Constitution.

robindch

Kim Davis, the tearful christian who refused to issue marriage licenses to LGBT couples has had her appeal to the Us Supreme Court rejected. She's now going to have a bit of a pray about what to do next.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34110397
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-rules-against-kentucky-clerk-gay-marriage-case-n419191

BBC wrote:

A Christian official who refused to issue marriage licences to same-sex couples in Kentucky has been ordered to do so by the US Supreme Court. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis had argued that her faith prevented her from carrying out her duty.

But the Supreme Court rejected her argument, which means she now has no more legal avenues to pursue.
Her lawyer has said she will pray tonight and decide what to do when her office opens on Tuesday. Since the court legalised gay marriage nationwide two months ago, Ms Davis has refused to issue any marriage licences to anyone.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued her on behalf of four couples, two gay and two straight. In making its ruling on Monday, without any comment, the Supreme Court also denied her request for a stay while she pursues an appeal.

If she continues to refuse to issue licences, she could be held in contempt of court, which could lead to a prison sentence.

Cabaal

robindch wrote: »

Kim Davis, the tearful christian who refused to issue marriage licenses to LGBT couples has had her appeal to the Us Supreme Court rejected. She's now going to have a bit of a pray about what to do next.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34110397
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-rules-against-kentucky-clerk-gay-marriage-case-n419191

They just need to fire this idiot,

Peregrinus

Cabaal wrote: »

They just need to fire this idiot,

It's an elected post.

Cabaal

Peregrinus wrote: »

It's an elected post.

Ok, so they need to jail her for ignoring the court and then recall her

oscarBravo

She's doubling down.

robindch

oscarBravo wrote: »

She's doubling down.

And she believes she's "acting under god's authority". At least she's honest about her delusion.

Can't see this one ending in handshakes, carriage clocks and beer.

Fred Swanson

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The Randy Riverbeast

They'll make a martyr out of her. Remember, the only religious freedom is Christianity there, you are free to be Christian and free to put up with Christians.

Cabaal

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

They'll make a martyr out of her. Remember, the only religious freedom is Christianity there, you are free to be Christian and free to put up with Christians.

Similar to Ireland and Catholic ethos then,

The Randy Riverbeast

Cabaal wrote: »

Similar to Ireland and Catholic ethos then,

At least in Ireland they give up once its done. In the US you'll get a woman like this who has been married 4 times yet feels the need to enforce religious beliefs she doesn't even follow onto others, here they just pop up again for the next issue pretending the previous times they were wrong never happened.

Frank Bullitt

The way she says "under gods authority" really boiled my blood.

The Black Oil

The 2016 election candidates will get mileage out this too.

Frank Bullitt

I can hear Ted Cruz already.