Equality of marriage and love

Frank Bullitt

The Black Oil wrote: »

Very much expected. Anywhere in the English speaking Western world where Christians, social issues or the workplace clash, you hear the same narrative - they are being persecuted for what they believe. It's not just Mike Huckabee pushing this.

Whatever you think about Bill Maher's show, I thought he did a good job of countering some of this a few months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybH66U72xd0

Im a big fan of Bill. Nail on the head with this one.

robindch

The Black Oil wrote: »

I sense a song being written because of this situation...

You're a few days late with that

robindch wrote: »

By twitteratus, James F Trumm, read for you here from 4:40.

(The saga of Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refuses to issue marriage licenses because God told her not to, is worthy of an opera. Or at least an operetta. So with apologies to W.S. Gilbert, here is my stab at composing a patter song for her character.)

I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist
I’m not merely judgmental, I’m the absolute judgmentalest!
I always follow scripture and I act on God’s authority
But marital longevity was never my priority.

I married first one husband, then two others, then another one
Because I think one man is pretty much like any other one.
I’ve never been too troubled by the dubious legalities
Of sex outside of marriage or of other trivialities.

But when it comes to icky stuff like homosexuality
I’m always very strident with my Puritan morality.
In short in matters biblical and spiritual and Calvinist,
I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist!

In questions of behavior I fall back on my Old Testament
(Though saying no to shrimp is way too much of an impediment).
I pick and choose the verses that support my little weltanschauung
And pledge never to change my mind from now til götterdämmerung.

I’ll ride this hobby horse until I’m richer than a sybarite,
There’ll always be good money in denouncing godless sodomites.
I’ll put my name as author on some books that I can barely read
And get a show on cable to inform the world what God decreed.

My husbands all agree that I know more about what marriage is
Than five Supreme Court justices whose law my faith disparages.
In short in matters biblical and spiritual and Calvinist,
I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist!

In fact, when I see what is meant by constitutionality
When I can do my job with requisite impartiality,
When I can join in marriage two young men who might be thespians,
Or issue nuptial licenses to enterprising lesbians,

When I can see that love is love no matter what the sexes are
And understand that gays are just like me and my three exes are,
In short, when I have finally got a dose of moral clarity
I’ll find out what is meant by the idea of Christian charity.

Til then I’ll flout the law and draw my wages from the county tax
Which is what God would do if only He was up on all the facts
Til then in matters biblical and spiritual and Calvinist,
I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist!

PopePalpatine

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Found it a bit weird how people were waving little crosses when she was released. I have trouble telling the difference between people like them and the people trying to bring in sharia law we're meant to be afraid of. I'll give Islam points for at least giving it a name that's handy to use.

I'm aware of a movement amongst the Christian far-right in the USA known as "dominionism". Granted, it's nowhere near as widely known as Sharia.

Peregrinus

Gintonious wrote: »

What scares me the most is how much she is being celebrated with all of this. Its pretty frightening.

. . . But not surprising.

A book deal beckons, I think. Followed, possibly, by a stint as a commentator with Fox News.

Frank Bullitt

Peregrinus wrote: »

. . . But not surprising.

A book deal beckons, I think. Followed, possibly, by a stint as a commentator with Fox News.

Well in fairness, from the looks of her and her husband, they will be lucky to write their names, never mind a book.

Absolam

She could get a Holy Ghost writer?





I'll get my coat......

Peregrinus

Gintonious wrote: »

Well in fairness, from the looks of her and her husband, they will be lucky to write their names, never mind a book.

Lord bless your innocence, she doesn't have to write the book!

oscarBravo

MrPudding wrote: »

Quite. I am sure if there was sand on the floor of her cell there would be two sets of footprints... Or would it be one? Can't remember, you get the point.

seamus

Peregrinus wrote: »

Lord bless your innocence, she doesn't have to write the book!

She's a fundamentalist Christian; even reading the book is optional.

The Randy Riverbeast

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'm aware of a movement amongst the Christian far-right in the USA known as "dominionism". Granted, it's nowhere near as widely known as Sharia.

There we go. Although it seems like dominionism isnt a popular name for those who take part in it.

Wanting religious laws enforced on the nation makes them sound fascist, they just want the laws to match up with their beliefs which happen to be what god said.

Its a minority of people but there is still a large enough group who fall into that category.

wp_rathead

The Black Oil wrote: »

Whatever you think about Bill Maher's show

He did good with that, but my gawd I despise Bill Maher

Frank Bullitt

http://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/deputy-clerk-says-he-would-defy-kim-davis-and-issue-marriage#.mkAGvLJw6

Good lad, her deputy has said he will issue licences weather she tells him to or not.

recedite

There still seems to be some uncertainty about whether the licenses are valid or not, even though the deputy clerks took her name off them while she was in jail.
At this stage somebody should just go ahead and impeach her, just do whatever it takes.

Frank Bullitt

recedite wrote: »

There still seems to be some uncertainty about whether the licenses are valid or not, even though the deputy clerks took her name off them while she was in jail.
At this stage somebody should just go ahead and impeach her, just do whatever it takes.

You might be right there, from the article I posted.

As BuzzFeed News reported, the Rowan County Clerk’s Office has omitted Davis’s name from marriage licenses issued in the past week — issuing them from “Rowan County” instead of under the name “Kim Davis.” That raised questions from couples and deputies alike about the licenses’ validity.

Staver said at a rally after Davis was released, “Whether her name is on [a marriage license issued in Rowan County] or not, it’s still under her authority. … She cannot allow her name to be associated with something that conflicts with God’s definition of marriage.”

I find this move from her deputy very interesting, and it finely poises the next action from her. If she were to fire or suspend him, it could spark a reaction by getting non-religious headbangers involved, it would essentially pit the fundamentalists against normal people.

MrPudding

Absolam wrote: »

She could get a Holy Ghost writer?





I'll get my coat......

Are you here all week? Should I try the chicken?:D

MrP

The Black Oil

Rally pics. Not homophobes, obviously.

http://imgur.com/a/mjOrw

Kev W

The Black Oil wrote: »

Rally pics. Not homophobes, obviously.

http://imgur.com/a/mjOrw

Mt favourite is "sodomy ruins nations".

I mean you'd have to be pretty big down there...

lazygal

How can I join the Conscience Club?

Peregrinus

Gintonious wrote: »

. . . I find this move from her deputy very interesting, and it finely poises the next action from her. If she were to fire or suspend him, it could spark a reaction by getting non-religious headbangers involved, it would essentially pit the fundamentalists against normal people.

Are we not at that point already?

Frank Bullitt

Peregrinus wrote: »

Are we not at that point already?

I guess, but on a bigger scale.

StonyIron

Kev W wrote: »

Mt favourite is "sodomy ruins nations".

I mean you'd have to be pretty big down there...

Not to mention that nations *with* sodomy for the longest time tend to be some of the world's most stable and prosperous and those without tend to be the poorest and most likely to be extremely unstable or dictatorships of various types.

Peregrinus

StonyIron wrote: »

Not to mention that nations *with* sodomy for the longest time tend to be some of the world's most stable and prosperous and those without tend to be . . .

Hold on. There are nations without sodomy?

Nodin

The Black Oil wrote: »

Rally pics. Not homophobes, obviously.

http://imgur.com/a/mjOrw

God no. If I was gay and standing there surrounded by them, I'm sure all I'd feel is collective love and the compassionate empathy exemplified by Christ.

robindch

Kev W wrote: »

Mt favourite is "sodomy ruins nations".

I've never quite understood the fascination with anal sex - can it all really derive from their fear of violating ritual purity? At times, the emotions it brings up verge on the disturbing.

robindch

Peregrinus wrote: »

There are nations without sodomy?

Well, there's Iran for one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-sC26wpUGQ

Peregrinus

robindch wrote: »

Well, there's Iran for one:

Ah, yes, I overlooked Iran. thanks for clearing that up!

The Black Oil

lazygal wrote: »

How can I join the Conscience Club?

Have you tried the People's Front of Conscience?

matrim

http://nationalreport.net/emi-sue-kim-davis-mike-huckabee-unauthorized-public-performance-song-eye-tiger/

MrPudding

matrim wrote: »

http://nationalreport.net/emi-sue-kim-davis-mike-huckabee-unauthorized-public-performance-song-eye-tiger/

I wish there was a god so I could pray that this story was true.

MrP

Peregrinus

Perhaps there is! The story is true. Or, at any rate, it is corroborated by earlier reports from different sources to the effect that the composer of the song was less than pleased with its use by this shower in this context.