Equality of marriage and love

Not a NSA agent

The no side was right but we won't explain how. Noticed he mentioned the no side were late in starting and underfunded. RCC was neither of those things. Iona have been working for years agains treating gay people as equals.

elekid

I like the inverted commas around the words gay, out, equality and human rights

I know I should be annoyed by this kind of thing but I can't help feeling amused when reading articles whining about the outcome of the referendum, trying to act like something terrible has happened to the poor No people because they didn't get to deny rights to other people

PopePalpatine

It's classic c*ntservative condescension. Come to think of it, I can imagine a prolific pompous someone from t'udder forum.

Going Strong

Someone should offer to gay adopt him.

Delirium

Shrap wrote: »

Incredibly reductionist article. Prepare for boiling blood. Colm uses measured language here, where I couldn't :mad:
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/vincent-twomey-sentiment-trumped-reason-in-marriage-referendum-1.2249116

Would Iona (of which Twomey is a patron) ever just feck off already? >.<

Shrap

SW wrote: »

Would Iona (of which Twomey is a patron) ever just feck off already? >.<

T'would melt your head right enough.

wp_rathead

Wasn't Twomey same knob that wrote the teaching course which required you to answer True to "Atheism resulted in 100m deaths under disguise of Marxism and Nazism" or some sort?

Hotblack Desiato

^ Yep that was him.

This article is further evidence that the man is quite simply deluded.

Brian Shanahan

Going Strong wrote: »

I see the gay agenda is proceeding quite nicely.

Here's the gay pods being distributed throughout the country, ready to populate the place with gays.



And here's the official cover story.

http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/78069/farmers-being-encouraged-to-wrap-their-silage-bales-in-pink-this-summer

I'm a very sad panda over that story. No utterance of the reverse vampires at all. Sure, isn't it all a plot to get rid of dinner!?!?!

The Black Oil

Why are the No people still trying to get mileage out of this?

lazygal

The Black Oil wrote: »

Why are the No people still trying to get mileage out of this?

Because they're afeared of a repeal the eighth vote and they need to keep the no to everything facade up.

robindch

The Australian bishops issue a shiny document stating their belief in "respect for all" which instructs the nation "Don't Mess With Marriage" and could have been written by the Ionanists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/15/anti-same-sex-marriage-flyer-sent-to-catholic-schools-degrades-young-gay-people

The PDF is here.

Penn

robindch wrote: »

The Australian bishops issue a shiny document stating their belief in "respect for all" which instructs the nation "Don't Mess With Marriage" and could have been written by the Ionanists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/15/anti-same-sex-marriage-flyer-sent-to-catholic-schools-degrades-young-gay-people

The PDF is here.

That's odd, I thought bishops were supposed to hide their PDF files...

robindch

robindch wrote: »

GAA player, Ger Brennan, attempts to explain why he's voting "no".

Mr Brennan has decided that his future lies with Fianna Fail:

http://www.thejournal.ie/ger-brennan-fianna-fail-2164114-Jun2015/

*facepalm*

PopePalpatine

robindch wrote: »

Mr Brennan has decided that his future lies with Fianna Fail:

http://www.thejournal.ie/ger-brennan-fianna-fail-2164114-Jun2015/

*facepalm*

Dev Óg's probably pleased.

Hotblack Desiato

How Averil Power stuck it out with that shower as long as she did, I'll never know.

Skrynesaver

robindch wrote: »

Mr Brennan has decided that his future lies with Fianna Fail:

http://www.thejournal.ie/ger-brennan-fianna-fail-2164114-Jun2015/

*facepalm*

So they've decided to stick with the over 70's vote, XLNT (as the young people say), that should see the final end of FF over the next decade or so, any chance of Dev Óg making a successful bid for the leadership?

robindch

old hippy wrote: »

Whilst it's all to easy and tempting to dismiss Milonov as nutjob, the worrying thing is his words will garner support over there. Russia seems to be going through a collective hysteria regarding homosexuality. These are dangerous times, with dangerous individuals fanning the flames of hatred

Milonov has burst back onto the scene again. This time, he wants to ban Game of Thrones from Russia. Somewhat ironically, given Russia's vicious, hysterical coverage of its adventurism in Ukraine, Milonov concern that inappropriate information is "one of the most dangerous weapons in the destabilization of a nation" is a trifle misplaced.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russias-anti-gay-crusader-wants-to-outlaw-game-of-thrones/523608.html

Moscow Times wrote:

Outspoken Russian politician Vitaly Milonov has called for the creation of a national media ideology that would single out as harmful content depicting behavior that does not conform to “traditional values” such as the hit U.S. television series “Game of Thrones,” Russian newspaper Izvestia reported on Monday.

Milonov, a deputy in St. Petersburg's Legislative Assembly and co-author of Russia's original anti-gay propaganda law, has submitted his proposal for the development of a “plan for the defense of the domestic information space” to the Ministry of Culture, Izvestia reported, citing a copy of the plan. Under the proposal, products deemed appropriate for mass consumption would be given a “mark of quality,” while anything deemed inappropriate would not.

According to Milonov, who is known in Russia for his conservative positions and heated statements against homosexuality, cult series “Game of Thrones” is an obvious contender for what would not qualify for the quality mark. The series, an adaptation of George R. R. Martin's series of fantasy novels “A Song of Ice and Fire” about the struggle for power in a group of ancient kingdoms, features frequent violence in its plot, as well as rape, incest and Milonov's personal bete noire, homosexuality.

“Every tenth character in it is a sexual deviant,” Milonov was cited as saying by Izvestia. “It is precisely through this kind of content and its popularization that a new model is introduced in our conscience, leading people to believe that certain things and events are normal,” said the lawmaker, who admitted he had not watched a single episode of the series.

Milonov expressed concern over the negative role of television and the Internet — in the West in particular — in shaping the minds of young individuals, and described information as one of the most dangerous weapons in the destabilization of a nation, Izvestia reported.

The initiative has already received the support of representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church, the paper reported.

Brian Shanahan

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

How Averil Power stuck it out with that shower as long as she did, I'll never know.

She's one of them. Back in 2002 she fully supported the anti-abortion ammendment that Bertie was trying to pass (incidentally that's the point when Loose Lips Creighton was pro-choice, which I was referring to about a year ago, she was very much against the referendum and for a loosening of abortion legislation back then). She was Mary Hanafin's special advisor for years before the party tried to parachute her into a series of safe seats, which her incomptence electorally meant she managed to lose all of, before Mickey Martin finally strongarmed enough FF councillors into voting her onto the Senate.

She's been a FF member and powerbroker at various levels for at least the last thirteen years, and she is deeply immersed and a representative member of the political culture of this country. She's no better than any of the rest of them.

Delirium

:pac:

https://twitter.com/FintanOToolbox/status/611141475846496256

robindch

Quinn's PR is so kak-handed, I'm beginning to wonder if Quinn is a double-agent, secretly working on behalf of Atheist Ireland...

lazygal

robindch wrote: »

Quinn's PR is so kak-handed, I'm beginning to wonder if Quinn is a double-agent, secretly working on behalf of Atheist Ireland...

His filter is always off on twitter. I really wish people like him would get called out more on what they tweet. There's a few of the usual suspects that get spots on media during debates on things like marriage equality and abortion who say the most offensive things on twitter that they'd never say during those debates. Time for people to have to stand over what they tweet.

The Black Oil

I could set up a I Keep Spare Beermats in the Attic Institute and it would have more fuppin' credibility than Iona.

The Black Oil

lazygal wrote: »

His filter is always off on twitter. I really wish people like him would get called out more on what they tweet.

He gets plenty of stick on the Twitter machine, some justified, some overly personal. Someone needs to troll the heck out of him with quotes from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?
I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that.

Not a NSA agent

Hello, Im David Quinn, I take something and then completely twist it so I miss the point. You dont like me showing children porn? Should we close down the cinema because people dont like kids watching films?

I dont have enough cans of compressed air to create a woosh over my head big enough.

Turtwig

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

Hello, Im David Quinn, I take something and then completely twist it so I miss the point. You dont like me showing children porn? Should we close down the cinema because people dont like kids watching films?

I dont have enough cans of compressed air to create a woosh over my head big enough.

This could make for a brilliant thread but I'm terrified that if we start it we might end up getting boards sued. :pac:

Delirium

Suspicious package of blue powder and ‘Goodbye’ note sent to office of gay rights group

A SUSPICIOUS PACKAGE was delivered to the offices of LGBT advocacy group GLEN this morning, leading to an emergency operation at a building on Upper Exchange Street in Dublin’s city centre.


Emergency services were deployed to the scene with crew donning hazmat suits before entering the building.



It is understood the package was opened and blue powder was found inside, along with a one-word note which read ‘Goodbye’. It is thought the letter was personally delivered as there was no stamp.


The group indicated on Twitter that all of its workers are safe.


“The intent was to terrorise – no matter what was in the envelope,” Tiernan Brady of GLEN told TheJournal.ie.


“We’ve never had this before and the goal was to scare us and inflict terror.”

The Black Oil

Boom!

Nodin

If we do end up in a genderless Europe, do we all have to sort of half-crouch while taking a leak?

Not a NSA agent

Turtwig wrote: »

This could make for a brilliant thread but I'm terrified that if we start it we might end up getting boards sued. :pac:

Only if we do it about Dennis O'Brien.

Of look, a solicitors letter already arrived.

robindch

Nodin wrote: »

If we do end up in a genderless Europe, do we all have to sort of half-crouch while taking a leak?

Might ask Popette that next time I have to listen - as I did this morning, courtesy of a poorly-judged attempt to inquire about some shrubs - to a "The bastards are taking away our gender!" rant.

robindch

Remember that Australian preacher from last week who said he'd divorce his missus if marriage equality showed up in Australia? Well, a friend of his has just unfriended him with - it has to be said - some style:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifestyle/uninvited-why-gay-marriage-protester-nick-jensen-is-not-welcome-at-my-wedding/story-fniz91ns-1227394515155?ts_pid=2

Courier Mail wrote:

[...] And here’s the thing — making light of divorce is just as offensive as making light of marriage. Access to no-fault divorce is one of the most hard-fought and important social gains we’ve had in modern Australia. If we’d lived up to Nick’s fantasy world where the government never got involved in changing laws, they’d be no chance of getting divorced unless one of the couple cheated on or beat the other.

No flippant, fit-of-pique publicity stunt divorces. Just servitude and domestic violence.

After stewing over it over dinner last night, my fiance and I have decided the best thing to do is to make sure Nick understands how little he and his twisted world view matters. Couples all over the world of mixed race, mixed religion and now, at least in some countries, the same sex, enjoy a married life their forebears could not have dreamt would one day happen — and Nick and Sarah’s sham divorce will have zero impact on their lives. None.

Nick says that his statement is neither a protest nor a threat, but simply “something we’re explaining is the consequence of any change in legislation”.

Well, Nick, I’m sure you’ve come to appreciate over the past 48 hours that it’s not just changes to legislation that have consequences. Newspaper articles do, too. And here’s one of them, albeit a small one — I don’t want you anywhere near my wedding. You and your views are not welcome, because you’re right — the institution we’re marrying into isn’t the same one you think you’re in.

And I’m pretty sure the consequences of your actions this week are going to mean more to you than to anyone else.

Bannasidhe

robindch wrote: »

Remember that Australian preacher from last week who said he'd divorce his missus if marriage equality showed up in Australia? Well, a friend of his has just unfriended him with - it has to be said - some style:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifestyle/uninvited-why-gay-marriage-protester-nick-jensen-is-not-welcome-at-my-wedding/story-fniz91ns-1227394515155?ts_pid=2

Amusingly, should Pastor Nick attempt to carry out his threat his divorce petition is likely to be refused as under Australian law the marriage must have irredeemably broken down with no possibility of reconciliation. Since Pastor Nick has publicly declared himself and Mrs Pastor Nick intend to remain together as man and wife' and stated he intends to divorce as a protest not because his marriage has broken down it could be an embarrassing day for him in court.

SpaceTime

The one thing about these debates is they tend to "out" the closet extremely anti-gay types.
It's really handy to make a mental note of who they are and which parties are most friendly to them.

Anti gay tends to translate as anti atheist, anti secular, anti liberal and basically the opposite to everything I am so, it's always good to know which parties never to vote for.

Remember, the same parties and ideologies that are welcoming these views are the same ones who banned condoms, banned divorce, deployed deep censorship policies, recent blasphemy laws that dragged us into international embarrassment, integrated religious teaching fully into the school day, stood by and did nothing when the religious institutions lost the plot in various "care" institutions etc etc etc

Voting for someone who gets your local pothole filled isn't always the best criteria for selecting a candidate.

Some leopards don't change their spots they just hire spin doctors to rebrand for the 21st century.

robindch

The battle moves to yogurt. Natural yogurt.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/married-lesbians-natural-yoghurt-advert-5918230

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Z5pAZe0E8

The Black Oil

Breaking

States cannot keep same-sex couples from marrying and must recognize their unions, the Supreme Court says in a ruling that for months has been the focus of speculation. The ruling was made by a 5-4 decision.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages

Not a NSA agent

Better get some popcorn ready and turn on fox news.


Obama destroying religious freedom? Tune in while we ignore the irony.

MrPudding

And in Northern Ireland two same sex couples have gained approval for a judicial review of The decision not to extend same sex marriage rights there.

Today was a good day for same sex marriage.

MrP

Cabaal

Oh man, you can just image the bible belt crowd just getting awful upset right now

The Black Oil

Lord Huckabee has spoken.

"The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the laws of gravity."

"The Supreme Court has spoken with a very divided voice on something only the Supreme Being can do-redefine marriage. I will not acquiesce to an imperial court any more than our Founders acquiesced to an imperial British monarch. We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat."

Supreme Being? Where can I buy one of those?

Frank Bullitt

Mike Huckabee, the perfect definition of a ƒuckin eejit.

PopePalpatine

His family tree must look like a helter-skelter.

Nodin

Cabaal wrote: »

Oh man, you can just image the bible belt crowd just getting awful upset right now

....Bibles flying out of prams.....broken household items being blamed on wrath of God/Obama the gay muslim atheist....fears over being asked out by gay being mulled over a tad too long to be called a "fear"....

Cabaal

The Black Oil wrote: »

Lord Huckabee has spoken.

"The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the laws of gravity."

"The Supreme Court has spoken with a very divided voice on something only the Supreme Being can do-redefine marriage. I will not acquiesce to an imperial court any more than our Founders acquiesced to an imperial British monarch. We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat."

Supreme Being? Where can I buy one of those?

If the supreme being doesn't like gay marriage then let it speak with its own voice from the sky in a clear language right now...... Nothing, thought as much.

SpaceTime

Hopefully it's sorted up north soon. The DUP is making a complete fool of the place internationally at this stage!

Not a NSA agent

Some people are going to be disappointed.

Nobody dead yet
http://gaymarriagebodycount.com/

robindch

I can confirm that in the US, the sky hasn't fallen in either, as your intrepid correspondent is -- mirabile dictu -- currently flying over California quite peacefully.

Hotblack Desiato

SpaceTime wrote: »

Hopefully it's sorted up north soon. The DUP is making a complete fool of the place internationally at this stage!

They've been doing that ever since they were established, and they're not going to change now.

Hotblack Desiato

robindch wrote: »

I can confirm that in the US, the sky hasn't fallen in either, as your intrepid correspondent is -- mirabile dictu -- currently flying over California quite peacefully.

Any fellow passengers get raptured yet? It'd be kinda like that really crap Jodie Foster movie.

Bannasidhe

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Any fellow passengers get raptured yet? It'd be kinda like that really crap Jodie Foster movie.

Anna and The King?