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Black Menorca wrote: »The gross failure to deflect from my question is speaking volumes about the morally defunct Amnesty International.
If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me....0 -
oscarBravo wrote: »The arrogance of the "pro-life" movement in a nutshell: if the world's foremost human rights organisation disagrees with them, then it's not a human rights organisation.
Amnesty formerly advocated saving life, now it advocates taking it, a complete reversal of their values. My shame is that I once donated money to them
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Sheldons Brain wrote: »Amnesty formerly advocated saving life, now it advocates taking it, a complete reversal of their values. My shame is that I once donated money to them
You're not alone there.
Amnesty has been hijacked by the abortion lobby, making it a laughing stock.0 -
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Black Menorca wrote: »A Human Rights organisation advocating for the 'right' to intentionally take human life.
Explain that one to me.Sheldons Brain wrote: »Amnesty formerly advocated saving life, now it advocates taking it, a complete reversal of their values. My shame is that I once donated money to them
I'm reminded of the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham, when both men were asked what could change their mind. Nye: "evidence". Ham: "nothing".
Amnesty International value a woman's human rights above those of a zygote. For this, you both cry "shame". Just like David Quinn crying "shame" upon hearing that children's advocacy groups refused to buy into his lies about same-sex couples being bad for children.
Has it occurred to either of you to wonder why a human rights group would advocate for abortion?0 -
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oscarBravo wrote: »Has it occurred to either of you to wonder why a human rights group would advocate for abortion?
Good idea, lets see what examples Amnesty put forward to highlight the problem with current abortion legislation.
Source for quotes that follow.
Carrying a dead foetus for weeks on end??:eek: How exactly is it immoral to suggest that shouldn't happen?The report presents testimony from women who have undergone abortions abroad, some of whom suffered miscarriages but were forced to carry a dead or unviable foetus inside them for weeks in the futile hope they could get the health care they need in Ireland. Róisín was forced to carry a dead foetus for weeks because doctors wanted to be absolutely sure there was no foetal heartbeat. She told Amnesty International:“I wouldn’t be inclined to trust services for women in this country at the moment.”Lupe, who was carrying a foetus with no heartbeat for 14 weeks, told Amnesty International she had to travel to her home country of Spain for proper medical treatment:“I didn’t feel safe at all…I was feeling really scared because it became clear to me, that if any complication was raised, these people would let me die.”
Not able to have a c-section?? And now the woman fears for her life to have another child in IrelandIt is not just women seeking abortions who are denied access to healthcare by the focus on the foetus. Health staff refused Rebecca H., who was gravely ill, a C-section for fear that it would harm her foetus. Instead, they forced her to endure 36 hours of labour saying their job was “to look after the baby, the baby comes first”. She told Amnesty International:“I would fear for my life to have another child in Ireland.”
and a doctor stating that medical treatment may be withheld until a pregnant woman is 'sick enough'. Doesn't seem like 'best medical practices' that the pro-life people are always boasting about.Dr. Peter Boylan, an obstetrician, gynaecologist and former Master and Clinical Director of Ireland’s National Maternity Hospital told Amnesty International about the legal and ethical tightrope medical staff are forced to walk:“Under the [current law] we must wait until women become sick enough before we can intervene. How close to death do you have to be? There is no answer to that.”
I'd love to know how Amnesty is now immoral for stating the above is not a good way to treat pregnant women.If you can read this, you're too close!
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Good idea, lets see what examples Amnesty put forward to highlight the problem with current abortion legislation.
Source for quotes that follow.
Carrying a dead foetus for weeks on end??:eek: How exactly is it immoral to suggest that shouldn't happen?
Not able to have a c-section?? And now the woman fears for her life to have another child in Ireland
and a doctor stating that medical treatment may be withheld until a pregnant woman is 'sick enough'. Doesn't seem like 'best medical practices' that the pro-life people are always boasting about.
I'd love to know how Amnesty is now immoral for stating the above is not a good way to treat pregnant women.
The "case studies" are an epic fail on the part of Amnesty International.
The "Ms Y" case study is basically arguing that a baby that is now almost 1 year old should have been aborted instead of delivered alive by C-section.
What kind of perverse so-called "human rights" organisation would make such a bizarre claim?
The case of "Rebecca H" is obviously not about abortion at all.
What a joke of a report.
Of course, they failed to mention this:
"A patient safety system, aimed at alerting health staff when a pregnant woman's condition is deteriorating, is not being operated properly in six out of seven maternity hospitals audited by the HSE."
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/unit-where-savita-died-fails-safety-checks-test-30917914.html
It's things like that, more than anything to do with the 8th Amendment, that is putting the lives of women at risk.
A hopelessly biased joke of a report by a so-called "human rights" advocate that has clearly lost its way.0 -
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That link is an absolute hoot, where did you dig it out from?Atlantis50 wrote: »Whether or not her treatment was acceptable obviously depends on her specific medical situation, but it is common practice worldwide for the dead embryo or foetus (pre-18 weeks) to be left in the woman for weeks until there is a spontaneous abortion (and there are also alternative approaches - it is up to the judgement of the doctors):
http://www.meb.uni-bonn.de/dtc/primsurg/docbook/html/x5001.html
It's some sort of manual for volunteer doctors going out to work in third world countries. This is from the preface :You may have had very little surgical experience and yet have to operate on severely ill patients. In an emergency you may even have to operate by the light of a hurricane lantern. The light will attract insects, and these will fall into the wound, but even so they are unlikely to influence the patient's recovery. From an illustration kindly contributed by WHO.
We write for: (1) General-duty doctors with only a year or two of surgical experience, responsible for all the patients clamouring for care in a district hospital. We tell you what to do, and what you could do, if there is no real hope of referring a patient to anyone else.
One thing it's not, though, is a manual of standard practice in western hospitals.
(I'm amazed that you can be so determined to distort reality to make it appear as you would like it to be! Is that a document provided by Iona or Youth Defence or do you just come from a long line of missionaries in your family?
) Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"0 -
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That link is an absolute hoot, where did you dig it out from?
It's some sort of manual for volunteer doctors going out to work in third world countries. This is from the preface :
One thing it's not, though, is a manual of standard practice in western hospitals.
(I'm amazed that you can be so determined to distort reality to make it appear as you would like it to be! Is that a document provided by Iona or Youth Defence or do you just come from a long line of missionaries in your family?)
You are wrong.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2005/1001/p1243.html
You're the one distorting reality.0 -
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