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8th Amendment

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Best chance for maintaining the 8th would be an FG/FF grand coalition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭eire4


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Thats the problem. I think the next government will be as unstable as this of the 80s and fall in a matter of months.





    I think there is indeed a chance you may well be correct. I could see us having multiple general elections over a short period of time like we did in the early 80's. Hopefully not though as without a stable government I don't see a referendum being called.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 676 ✭✭✭am946745




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    am946745 wrote: »
    You can get 12k from a prick. Is getting 12k bad now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    FYP

    Which one, Paul Dacre or the asshole in this article?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    am946745 wrote: »

    She didnt have an abortion and there was a tribunal over it.

    But if she wanted to have an abortion you are happy for her not to have that choice. All of a sudden being forced into something is bad.

    We dont have abortion on demand but my girlfriends boss can still do the same thing, remember you just take a weekend trip away?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Scary stuff.

    Why? She didn't have an abortion, because she had a choice.

    Does allowing women to make their own decisions scare you that much?

    Obviously you prefer the constitution to take away women's autonomy as soon as they become pregnant, because women can't be trusted to decide for themselves? So much better if Black Menorca and pals decide for them instead ...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Scary stuff.

    Absolutely terrifying. That woman was in a situation where she had the choice to not listen to her boss and keep her baby. That woman should never have been given a choice. Absolute disgrace. Allowing a woman to decide to keep her baby. Women shouldnt be allowed think independently. Its there god given duty to birth babies they should never think they have a choice, its what they must do


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    swampgas wrote: »
    Why? She didn't have an abortion, because she had a choice.

    Does allowing women to make their own decisions scare you that much?

    Obviously you prefer the constitution to take away women's autonomy as soon as they become pregnant, because women can't be trusted to decide for themselves? So much better if Black Menorca and pals decide for them instead ...

    Only select people should have the ability to coerce.


    I thought it was about preventing babies being slaughtered by McBortions but now the opinion of the woman suddenly comes into it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    am946745 wrote: »

    I'm curious in what way you think this story supports an anti abortion position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Kev W wrote: »
    I'm curious in what way you think this story supports an anti abortion position.

    Or in what way Ireland's wee pretendy ban on abortion would stop an Irish boss from issuing the same threat to an employee.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    It's the Daily Mail, its readers need to keep their hatred of women alive somehow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Or in what way Ireland's wee pretendy ban on abortion would stop an Irish boss from issuing the same threat to an employee.

    I'm still proud Ireland stands in the face of the abortion industry and its agents in maintaining the criminal status of their business interests.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Yawn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Anyone know where I can invest in this abortion industry? Must be worth a fortune if its as huge as its made out to be here. I guess you could say I'd make a killing *wink wink*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Anyone know where I can invest in this abortion industry? Must be worth a fortune if its as huge as its made out to be here. I guess you could say I'd make a killing *wink wink*

    Well maybe I can help you there. As ever (biggest gay bar in Europe, anyone?) The Catholic Church Ltd., via one or other of its various business outlets has its finger in just about any service where there is money to be made : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2013/05/archdiocese-of-new-york-health-plan-covers-contraception-and-abortion-services.html

    "New York Health Plan Covers Contraception and Abortion Services"

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 676 ✭✭✭am946745


    Anyone know where I can invest in this abortion industry? Must be worth a fortune if its as huge as its made out to be here. I guess you could say I'd make a killing *wink wink*

    What about http://www.novellabs.net... Who make Misoprostol.. Do you think its made for Free?

    You think the companies that support the Abortion industry are NFP's?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    am946745 wrote: »
    What about http://www.novellabs.net... Who make Misoprostol.. Do you think its made for Free?

    You think the companies that support the Abortion industry are NFP's?

    Misoprostol was developed as an anti-ulcer drug, and is still used in that indication. Its tendency to provoke early labour is a side effect, and was initially (and still is) used both to speed up labour when necessary and to declench labour in cases of fetal death in-utero. It would take an imbecile not to work out that any drug that declenches labour is likely to cause abortions.

    So unless you're going to insist that a drugs company puts strict controls on the legal uses of all of its products, you're hardly going to be able to make much of a case for this so-called "abortion industry" from a mere pharmaceutical company.

    They're no more guilty than a Vatican whose dioceses finance abortions on company healthcare for their employees, are they? Though a lot less hypocritical, I grant you that! :D

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 676 ✭✭✭am946745


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Misoprostol was developed as an anti-ulcer drug, and is still used in that indication. Its tendency to provoke early labour is a side effect, and was initially (and still is) used both to speed up labour when necessary and to declench labour in cases of fetal death in-utero. It would take an imbecile not to work out that any drug that declenches labour is likely to cause abortions.

    So unless you're going to insist that a drugs company puts strict controls on the legal uses of all of its products, you're hardly going to be able to make much of a case for this so-called "abortion industry" from a mere pharmaceutical company.

    They're no more guilty than a Vatican whose dioceses finance abortions on company healthcare for their employees, are they? Though a lot less hypocritical, I grant you that! :D

    So nobody is profiting from abortion? And what has the vatican got to do with the thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    am946745 wrote: »
    So nobody is profiting from abortion?
    Pharmaceutical companies profit from cancer, from malaria, from starving children and poor water supplies that cause diarrhea in kids. From people suffering from high blood pressure, from diabetes and epilepsy - any number of other problems. If you have a problem with capitalism, you might have a point, though most people in our society seem to feel that only complete cranks complain about pharmaceutical companies making money from legal drug production.

    If you don't have a problem with them making profits from other medication, or with them making profits from a product when it's used for one legal activity but think they're evil when it's used for a different, equally legal activity, then you can't be expected to be taken seriously.

    In particular you cant expect your criticism to be understood as anything other than yet another desperate attempt to disguise your real motives behind spurious ones.
    am946745 wrote: »
    And what has the vatican got to do with the thread?
    The Vatican supports "abortion industries" (if such a thing exists) by U.S. Dioceses paying for abortions for their employees.

    Which is kind of hypocritical, to say the least.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 676 ✭✭✭am946745


    lazygal wrote: »

    A Catholic Hospital is not the Catholic Church, I don't know how they are relevant to this thread? The argument against abortion is not a religious one its a secular one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    am946745 wrote: »
    A Catholic Hospital is not the Catholic Church, I don't know how they are relevant to this thread?
    What's your understanding of how practices in a Catholic hospital in the U.S. are meant to differ from a non-Catholic one?
    am946745 wrote: »
    The argument against abortion is not a religious one its a secular one.
    What on earth do you mean by a "secular argument"? As as I know secularism has nothing to say about abortion at all. Does it?

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 676 ✭✭✭am946745


    volchitsa wrote: »
    What on earth do you mean by a "secular argument"? As as I know secularism has nothing to say about abortion at all. Does it?

    The Eight amendment was not a Catholic one, it was a civil secular amendment.


    http://www.secularprolife.org


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    am946745 wrote: »
    The Eight amendment was not a Catholic one, it was a civil secular amendment.


    http://www.secularprolife.org

    Spot on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    Ah, yes. Hopefully this year they won't lie about the turnout.


    Oh, this reminds me. Black Menorca, the figures you so eagerly wanted have now been published. 26 abortions on Irish soil under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/26-terminations-carried-out-under-protection-of-life-during-pregnancy-bill-1.2266839


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    am946745 wrote: »
    What about http://www.novellabs.net... Who make Misoprostol.. Do you think its made for Free?

    You think the companies that support the Abortion industry are NFP's?

    My friend had one hell of an abortion then, the doctors aborted those ulcers. What about these places making lots of money with 34 week abortion?

    Since you returned, will you be explaining how our abortion laws prevent a womans boss telling her to get an abortion or why a boss failing to coerce a woman into having an abortion is a bad thing?
    Ah, yes. Hopefully this year they won't lie about the turnout.


    Oh, this reminds me. Black Menorca, the figures you so eagerly wanted have now been published. 26 abortions on Irish soil under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/26-terminations-carried-out-under-protection-of-life-during-pregnancy-bill-1.2266839

    Why are they calling them abortion? I thought they weren't called that when the womans life is at risk.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Ah, yes. Hopefully this year they won't lie about the turnout.


    Oh, this reminds me. Black Menorca, the figures you so eagerly wanted have now been published. 26 abortions on Irish soil under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/26-terminations-carried-out-under-protection-of-life-during-pregnancy-bill-1.2266839

    I've no need to lie, but I daresay the turnout will be phenom.

    Very fer terminations, which is great to see. None with the intention to kill the unborn, As I'd expected.

    The abortion industry is as far as ever in getting a grubby foothold in this country.

    The worry is the 3 due to suicide ideation. Though very low, its the one avenue that could lead to liberalisation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭p1akuw47h5r3it


    http://www.thejournal.ie/abortions-ireland-26-2188298-Jun2015/

    26 Terminations carried out under the new legislation according to Leo Varadker. Make of it what you will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    I can't wait for Saturday. Its going to be legendary.

    Lots of help needed with the organising so please volunteer if you can, otherwise see you there. :)

    Struggling for numbers to organise the ****e? Not suprising


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bernadette Smyths conviction for harrassing former Loyalist Terror apologist and now apologist for Marie Stopes, Dawn Purvis, has been overturned by the Court of Appeal in Belfast. :)


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-33317597


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/abortions-ireland-26-2188298-Jun2015/

    26 Terminations carried out under the new legislation according to Leo Varadker. Make of it what you will.

    So no queues for abortions like some of the fanatics would claim would happen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    So no queues for abortions like some of the fanatics would claim would happen.

    I always had faith in the X Case legislation. One termination every fortnight would be consistant with levels before the law was passed I'd say.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Every life counts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Every life counts.

    Even if its the pregnant teenager you want locked up until she gives birth?

    Your mask has fallen weeks ago BM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Every life counts.

    Unless they are Sunni Muslim right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Unless they are Sunni Muslim right?

    :pac: I spat diet coke on my phone. Thank you :o


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    I can't wait for Saturday. Its going to be legendary.

    Lots of help needed with the organising so please volunteer if you can, otherwise see you there. :)

    See this is a common mistake, the word you're actually looking for is "mythical".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Kev W wrote: »
    See this is a common mistake, the word you're actually looking for is "mythical".

    Our Rally For Life gets bigger every year.

    The forecast is looking good too. Bring it on. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Our Rally For Life gets bigger every year.

    The forecast is looking good too. Bring it on. :)

    It's on in a few days, and you're still looking for volunteers. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a huge turnout :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    It's on in a few days, and you're still looking for volunteers. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a huge turnout :pac:

    We're a victim of our own success. The event is so big we need more volunteers every year.

    You're more than welcome to join us. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    We're a victim of our own success. The event is so big we need more volunteers every year.

    You're more than welcome to join us. :)

    No thank you. I value the woman's life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    Very fer terminations, which is great to see. None with the intention to kill the unborn, As I'd expected.

    You'd think Irish doctors are ignorant of their own pregnancy-terminating actions when they perform abortions, the way you go on about intention to kill.

    Very few terminations, you say, but you appeared to expect none to have happened. Your whole argument (if it can be called that) hinged on that.

    In no particular order...

    How many babies have been killed in the womb because their mothers declared they were suicidal?

    So, how many babies have been killed in the womb by way of this legislation? None?

    EDIT: Removed a few "how many women have committed suicide" questions, because I don't think Black Menorca would understand the point...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I see the myth of the 50,000 has been trotted out. The organisers claimed that they had filled one side of Merrion Square...and that is FAR from 50,000.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    I see the myth of the 50,000 has been trotted out. The organisers claimed that they had filled one side of Merrion Square...and that is FAR from 50,000.

    CompositeCrowd.jpg

    You need to take into account a pregnant woman is 2 people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    So there were only 7,000 born and unborn in attendance.

    I see Black Menorca is still peddling the line about unborn not being directly targeted to save a woman's life, even though that's exactly what happened26 times last year.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Milana Sticky Klutz


    You need to take into account a pregnant woman is 2 people.

    Each pregnant woman is pregnant with at least quadruplets, over 50k in attendance.

    Take that PopePalatine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    No thank you. I value the woman's life.

    There will be far more women than men at the rally on Saturday. Go figure. :)


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