Labours next push: Abortion

orubiru

Black Menorca wrote: »

You see folks, its like this.

If you genuinely only wanted abortion is genuine hardship cases, I'd respect your point of view far more.

However, many of you want a liberal abortion regime in Ireland and you're using hard cases as a way to get it in through the back door.

Once in, abortion will spread like wild fire.

Just look at the UK experience where 200,000 babies are massacred in the womb every year under legislation that appears to be tight.

The moral redundancy of the abortion lobby is a sight to sadly behold.

Still using misleading language, I see.

Nobody is promoting or encouraging abortion. Most people are just saying that we should allow women to have choices and access to accurate information.

There is a very simple question at the heart of this.

Why not just allow each individual woman to have responsibility for, and control over, her own reproductive systems?

volchitsa

Darpa wrote: »

Well at least you understand that much about human life, but it's not a very high bar.

On a slightly different aspect, do you think that merely being alive is all that matters, or does the question of human dignity have any comparable worth for you?

inocybe

and how does abortion 'spread like wildfire'?

Black Menorca

orubiru wrote: »

Still using misleading language, I see.

Nobody is promoting or encouraging abortion. Most people are just saying that we should allow women to have choices and access to accurate information.

There is a very simple question at the heart of this.

Why not just allow each individual woman to have responsibility for, and control over, her own reproductive systems?

Because intentionally killing unborn life is wrong.

Black Menorca

volchitsa wrote: »

On a slightly different aspect, do you think that merely being alive is all that matters, or does the question of human dignity have any comparable worth for you?

Oh. Is there dignity in abortion? Go on, expand on that one.

*Gets popcorn*

volchitsa

inocybe wrote: »

and how does abortion 'spread like wildfire'?

Remember the "emulation" that Iona warned us about if gays were allowed to marry? Well it's like that. :rolleyes:

volchitsa

Black Menorca wrote: »

Oh. Is there dignity in abortion? Go on, expand on that one.

*Gets popcorn*

Must be the word "different" that has you stumped there. Try a dictionary.

eviltwin

volchitsa wrote: »

Remember the "emulation" that Iona warned us about if gays were allowed to marry? Well it's like that. :rolleyes:

It's all part of the feminist agenda

Darpa

Black Menorca wrote: »

Because intentionally killing unborn life is wrong.

So in order to get apparently rational people to do so, and get them to in turn promote same for you, it's important to promote a dehumanisation mantra and get them to in turn repeat it. You see the same people driving the "assisted" suicide campaign.
"Abortion and suicide - sure its the only decent thing to do, do the decent thing"
I used to think 1984, brave new world, etc. were far fetched fiction.

eviltwin

Black Menorca wrote: »

Because intentionally killing unborn life is wrong.

In your opinion.

orubiru

Black Menorca wrote: »

Because intentionally killing unborn life is wrong.

Would you be suspicious of any woman who claims she had a miscarriage?

How could you know that she hasn't intentionally killed an unborn life?

If we are going to say that abortion is "intentionally killing unborn life" then we surely have to start investigating all "miscarriages" as potential killings, right?

If my kid died in a suspicious accident at home then there would ultimately be a question of whether or not I was guilty of child neglect, or worse.

So, lets say a husband and wife have a kid. Sometimes the mother complains that the one kid is hard work and she doesn't want to have another. Anyway, due to some circumstances she does get pregnant and at 10 weeks she has a miscarriage. Should she be held accountable for potential neglect of the unborn life? Should the police investigate a potential killing since this woman had previously stated she didn't want another kid because that sounds like motive?

You know that if an Irish woman wishes to have an abortion she can go to the UK. I think that you are aware that this is something that will eventually become legal in Ireland. So, your tactic seems to be to demonize women who have abortions. It's the only explanation for your use of such inflammatory language.

If you really cared about it you'd be calling for all miscarriages to be investigated as they could be potential killings.

So why are you and the "Youth Defense" crowd not calling for more funding and resources for Police investigations into miscarriage cases?

volchitsa

Darpa wrote: »

So in order to get apparently rational people to do so, and get them to in turn promote same for you, it's important to promote a dehumanisation mantra and get them to in turn repeat it. You see the same people driving the "assisted" suicide campaign.
"Abortion and suicide - sure its the only decent thing to do, do the decent thing"
I used to think 1984, brave new world, etc. were far fetched fiction.

And I used to think A Handmaid's Tale could only ever have any sort of real life parallels in theocracies like Iran or Afghanistan, and certainly not in western Europe.

volchitsa

orubiru wrote: »

You know that if an Irish woman wishes to have an abortion she can go to the UK. I think that you are aware that this is something that will eventually become legal in Ireland. So, your tactic seems to be to demonize women who have abortions. It's the only explanation for your use of such inflammatory language.

If you really cared about it you'd be calling for all miscarriages to be investigated as they could be potential killings.

So why are you and the "Youth Defense" crowd not calling for more funding and resources for Police investigations into miscarriage cases?

Absolutely. And they would be mounting vigils outside all those evil IVF clinics that destroy perfectly healthy embryos because the parents no longer want them - or worse, can no longer afford to pay the clinics' storage fees.

Darpa

volchitsa wrote: »

And I used to think A Handmaid's Tale could only ever have any sort of real life parallels in theocracies like Iran or Afghanistan, and certainly not in western Europe.

You should have read it then, as it's set in America. Didn't realise that one is on the compulsory curriculum good one.

Turtwig

Mod

CLosing this thread, for now at least. The standard of the discussion that's taken place of late is not conducive to the level of discussion the subject matter deserves.