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Just got sky and told by neighbour property management don't allow it

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  • 25-05-2015 9:59am
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    murphyaii
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭


    We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
    they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
    then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
    can this be legal?:mad:


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    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Yes.

    Next!


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    Tigger
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    Is yours the only sky dish on the building?


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    Paulw
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    murphyaii wrote: »
    We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
    they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
    then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
    can this be legal?:mad:

    Yep. Most managed developments have a clause that forbids the erection of a satellite dish. Some developments have a shared Sky dish. You should have asked about that first.

    Other than that, yes, the management company can forbid a dish, request you remove it, and if you fail, they can remove it from the property.


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    murphyaii
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭murphyaii


    a neighbour in the same estate has it in the next row at the front of their house.


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    Miaireland
    Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭Miaireland


    Probably worth checking your lease.


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    Greenmachine
    Registered Users Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    murphyaii wrote: »
    a neighbour in the same estate has it in the next row at the front of their house.

    If your neighbour is in a house, as opposed to an apartment then there is no comparison to be made. Houses tend not to have property management companies except maybe gated communities.


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    the groutch
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    if you really did want to change to Sky it might be worth talking to some of your neighbours, and to the directors of the management company if they live there, to see could you drum up enough interest to get a shared dish from Sky.


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    athtrasna
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    murphyaii wrote: »
    We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
    they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
    then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
    can this be legal?:mad:

    Yes it's legal. And normal in apartment dwellings. And if they drilled a hole in the wall you are now responsible for vandalising common property. Being tired of upc gives you no rights or entitlements to get a satellite dish.


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    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    the groutch wrote: »
    if you really did want to change to Sky it might be worth talking to some of your neighbours, and to the directors of the management company if they live there, to see could you drum up enough interest to get a shared dish from Sky.

    It's usually a condition of planning permission that dishes are banned. Also the OP is a tenant and has no rights to interfere with management company business.


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    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,658 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Op call up explain the situation, if your development has a shared dish you can get sky that way, if not UPC is your only option


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    Endthescam
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    No the eu have ruled on this.

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en


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    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    athtrasna wrote: »
    It's usually a condition of planning permission that dishes are banned. Also the OP is a tenant and has no rights to interfere with management company business.

    ok, didn't read he was only a tennant


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    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Endthescam wrote: »
    No the eu have ruled on this.

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

    This is not applicable. It was a recommendation 14 years ago. Has not been introduced or ratified.


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    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Did you ask the landlord? He'll probably be pissed too for new holes in his wall


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    Endthescam
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    athtrasna wrote: »
    This is not applicable. It was a recommendation 14 years ago. Has not been introduced or ratified.

    It doesn't have to be. They can take it to Europe as others have do e so successfully.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023359/Having-satellite-dish-human-right-says-European-court.html


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    foggy_lad
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    Endthescam wrote: »
    No the eu have ruled on this.

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en
    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en
    Architectural and town-planning obstacles

    Concerns of an architectural and town-planning nature, which are often cited in this context, can be met by solutions which make it possible, where necessary and technically feasible, to minimise the visual and aesthetic impact of satellite dishes without impairing quality of reception, under reasonable conditions and at reasonable cost; such solutions can, for example, involve the location of the dish (indoors rather than outdoors) or the type of dish (e.g. a collective dish rather than numerous individual dishes).


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    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Endthescam wrote: »
    It doesn't have to be. They can take it to Europe as others have do e so successfully.
    It doesn't really apply in this case for a few reasons.

    However the primary reason is that the OP is not banned from having a satellite dish, they're just not permitted to mount it on the building because the building doesn't belong to them.

    It would be like sticking your dish on your neighbour's house and them claiming you have a legal right to do it.

    The ruling really only prevents unnecessary restrictions on the ability of a private individual to mount a dish on their own dwelling. It doesn't give a blanket "right" to a satellite dish. I've seen plenty of people with dishes sitting in mounts on balconies. Perfectly allowed because they're not attached to anything.

    In this case, it is possible to get Sky to mount a communal dish on the roof on the property (with the management company consent), which then feeds all of the apartments. Sky require a certain amount of signups before they'll do it though.


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    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,144 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    athtrasna wrote: »
    It's usually a condition of planning permission that dishes are banned. Also the OP is a tenant and has no rights to interfere with management company business.

    Not always, in some older group developments the Management Company have adopted a policy of banning dishes with the consent of the owners making up the Company.

    Id suggest its more common than not that dishes are banned in apartment developments.


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    murphyaii wrote: »
    We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
    they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
    then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
    can this be legal?:mad:

    How did you fix the dish to the Apartment?


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    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,867 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I've seen "dishes" shaped as things like outdoor lights and such - probably get some examples on the Satellite forum - that can then be put out on the balcony (assuming it faces the right direction etc)

    Maybe that's an option?


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    what2do
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭what2do


    And the bad news is that they can remove them and I think you could be charged for that pleasure!


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    #23
    mickdw
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    This just highlights the utter madness of property 'ownership' where management companies are involved.


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    riclad
    Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    look on the satelite forum,on boards.ie
    What some people do is put a small dish on a balcony,
    if your building faces in the right direction ,
    you can get a signal .
    It can be placed so it is not visible from ground level .
    if the balcony has got a solid floor ,
    ie not just a metal frame type balcony .
    also paint the dish white ,or grey ,
    same color as the balcony to blend in .

    IN cases where putting installing a dish on the walls is not allowed .
    My Friend lives in an apartment ,
    every unit is wired for sky tv,
    from a dish on the roof.
    Even people who buy an apartment have no legal right to put up a dish .


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    athtrasna
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    mickdw wrote: »
    This just highlights the utter madness of property 'ownership' where management companies are involved.

    The OP is not an owner and had no right to install a dish.


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    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Whether this is a flat or a freehold house is irrelevant. I'm amazed that a tenant can think that they can drill holes in the wall of the landlords property!


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    murphyaii
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭murphyaii


    Endthescam wrote: »
    No the eu have ruled on this.

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

    As i thought.
    How the hell can it be illegal to mount a dish?
    only in this banana republic would they make it illegal.
    good to see europe voted the right way on this.


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    athtrasna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    Whether this is a flat or a freehold house is irrelevant. I'm amazed that a tenant can think that they can drill holes in the wall of the landlords property!

    It's not even the landlord's property, it's management company property, meaning the landlord will be in trouble with the mc. It's at least vandalism, verging on criminal damage.


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    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    murphyaii wrote: »
    We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
    they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
    then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
    can this be legal?:mad:

    Check to see if the block has a shared dish. Just plug into that.


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    ceegee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭ceegee


    murphyaii wrote: »
    As i thought.
    How the hell can it be illegal to mount a dish?
    only in this banana republic would they make it illegal.
    good to see europe voted the right way on this.

    How is it illegal to drill holes in other peoples property?


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    murphyaii
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭murphyaii


    it is a ground floor apartment.
    dish is out the back.
    think i'll hang some plastic flowers off it to brighten it up.
    it is not vandalism, jaysus, the things people will say.


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