Is this the catalyst for a FF push on Michael Martin [inc. Averil Power Thread]

expectationlost

subpar wrote: »

Not matter what your politics are you have to admire Averil Power for adhering to her beliefs . She always impressed me as a very committed ,capable and courageous individual and will no doubt make a big impression in whatever walk of life she chooses next. People like her are needed in public life and I hope she decides to run in Dublin Bay North in the next election.

20 Years on the Haughey dynasty still casts its shadow.

are we supposed to be conned over by a fight between FF Haughey and, up until today, FF power?

tipparetops

You would have to believe Martin on this, she was not going to get it her own way and walked.
Is she a loss, we will see at the next election.

Berserker

tipparetops wrote: »

You would have to believe Martin on this, she was not going to get it her own way and walked.
Is she a loss, we will see at the next election.

Yeah, I was under the impression that Sean Haughey was going to get that ticket. It's a blow for FF and MM after winning that by-election last weekend. I have a feeling that she might join Renua.

Black Menorca

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, I was under the impression that Sean Haughey was going to get that ticket. It's a blow for FF and MM after winning that by-election last weekend. I have a feeling that she might join Renua.

First off Lucinda is avidly Pro Life and Renua is savagely Right wing on economics. Not on Averil's compass.

She's nailed on to join Labour or possibly SF if they give her a cushy constituency.

MJohnston

Genuinely curious why on earth people think she would want to join Renua?

On all the social issues which Averil has made her name (especially the one from the weekend just past), Renua are completely opposite. Doesn't even strike me as being even vaguely a match.

For Forks Sake

MJohnston wrote: »

Genuinely curious why on earth people think she would want to join Renua?

On all the social issues which Averil has made her name (especially the one from the weekend just past), Renua are completely opposite. Doesn't even strike me as being even vaguely a match.

Fairly sure I read before that herself and Lucinda have previous going back to their time in Trinity.

Larbre34

She looks well shook on Claire Byrne, must have had the full backlash of a vengeful FF all day. Well shook indeed

Black Menorca

Larbre34 wrote: »

She looks well shook on Claire Byrne, must have had the full backlash of a vengeful FF all day. Well shook indeed

Sh*t, I missed it.

Larbre34

Black Menorca wrote: »

Sh*t, I missed it.

RTE1 +1 or RTE player shortly

Simi

MJohnston wrote: »

Genuinely curious why on earth people think she would want to join Renua?

On all the social issues which Averil has made her name (especially the one from the weekend just past), Renua are completely opposite. Doesn't even strike me as being even vaguely a match.

She's perfect for what Ireland needs, a economically center - socially liberal party. Unfortunately such a thing does not exist in Irish politics. If you want social progress you need to vote left.

Larbre34

Simi wrote: »

She's perfect for what Ireland needs, a economically center - socially liberal party. Unfortunately such a thing does not exist in Irish politics. If you want social progress you need to vote left.

Eh, Labour by definition?

Simi

Larbre34 wrote: »

Eh, Labour by definition?

They're left? Not as far left as in other countries I'll grant you. But that's down to the bunching of parties in the center here, rather than a traditional left-right divide seen in most other European countries.

efb

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Either that, or that its 4-10 months before the next GE & Avril wants to be elected.

I think Averil would easily get elected

tipparetops

efb wrote: »

I think Averil would easily get elected

People said the same in 2011, she was well out.

MJohnston

If she can find the right platform to capture the same voters who she undoubtedly energised to vote in the referendum, then she'll easily get elected, I suspect.

efb

tipparetops wrote: »

People said the same in 2011, she was well out.

2016 v different. 2011 FF were toxic- esp in Dublin.

tipparetops

efb wrote: »

2016 v different. 2011 FF were toxic- esp in Dublin.

I just hope she has chosen the right constituency this time. Dublin south East could just be a little too middle class for her.

expectationlost

tipparetops wrote: »

I just hope she has chosen the right constituency this time. Dublin south East could just be a little too middle class for her.

Dublin Bay North

IrishTrajan

Simi wrote: »

She's perfect for what Ireland needs, a economically center - socially liberal party. Unfortunately such a thing does not exist in Irish politics. If you want social progress you need to vote left.

The Swedish thought the same thing, but we all know how that turned out. I think it best if we stick with centralists rather than the left or the right.

sparkling sea

@ers.

Very disappointed in FF, think they should just knock it on the head now and leave the people who are actually interested in bring this country to its full potential, to it. There just an annoyance and distraction now.
:mad:

gandalf

sparkling sea wrote: »

Very disappointed in FF, think they should just knock it on the head now and leave the people who are actually interested in bring this country to its full potential, to it. There just an annoyance and distraction now.
:mad:

I am delighted with them tbh. Anything that helps with their demise is most welcome.

Zubeneschamali

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, I was under the impression that Sean Haughey was going to get that ticket.

Just what FF need, someone to keep the name Haughey front and centre at the next election, along with Martin, Cowen, Penrose... I know they have O'Rourkes in Athlone, wonder if there are any Aherns they could get to run?

FreudianSlippers

Larbre34 wrote: »

Eh, Labour by definition?

Nothing screams economically centre like a party that promotes wildly overpowered unions. Oh wait.

bobbysands81

Larbre34 wrote: »

She'll be in Sinn Féin by sundown, a natural fit.

Just when Micheál thought he might have a window of calm waters too! Although any party that sees old stagers like Bobby Aylward as the way forward when dynamic younger folk like Averil are leaving is in deep trouble.

You think this Averil Power will join Sinn Féin?

subpar

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Just what FF need, someone to keep the name Haughey front and centre at the next election, along with Martin, Cowen, Penrose... I know they have O'Rourkes in Athlone, wonder if there are any Aherns they could get to run?

Penrose , is a LABOUR PARTY TD

blinding

The best way to get a catalyst out of ff/fg/lab is to nudge a brown envelope slowly in their direction.

That will be a catalyst for them to move in your direction.

Zubeneschamali

subpar wrote: »

Penrose , is a LABOUR PARTY TD

Sorry, the wrong Willie popped into my head.

Larbre34

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You think this Averil Power will join Sinn Féin?

Yes, yes I know all that, somebody waved that poster at me yesterday too and I'll say what I said then, stranger things have happened.

How many free floaters do you hear being courted by every party across the boards. Labour lad jumps ship and joins FF, FF lad jumps ship to SF, other FF lad considers Renua etc etc?

They are an unprincipled bunch of self-preservationists all, and would sell their grannies for a street of votes. Its the nature of the multi-seat system.

I wouldnt bet against Averil ending up in any party or none.

Larbre34

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Nothing screams economically centre like a party that promotes wildly overpowered unions. Oh wait.

Promotes? This is Irish New Labour we're dealing with. A Labour minister cut the ankles off the public sector Unions for the last 4 years. Two Labour ministers in the "economic management Council" went along with Frankfurt's way for the same length of time.

Its fair to say Brendan Corish is long gone...

kidneyfan

Black Menorca wrote: »

Ahh Sean is a decent skin. Allways was.

He has a funny voice. I suppose Sean'll be getting married now.

kidneyfan

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Sorry, the wrong Willie popped into my head.

I suppose with the week that's in it we'll call it a slip of the tongue...

Larbre34

kidneyfan wrote: »

I suppose with the week that's in it we'll call it a slip of the tongue...

So the reason the wrong willie popped into his head was a slip of the tongue?

News of the World on the phone for you......

Larbre34

From RTE.ie

Meanwhile, the Fianna Fáil organisation in Cork City and County has been dealt a blow with the sudden resignation of long time party activist Ken Curtin.

Mr Curtin, who was Fianna Fáil's Public Relations Officer for Cork East, and Secretary of the Cobh Cumann of the party, announced on social media that he was resigning from both positions and from the party.

Mr Curtin led the Yes, Equality Cork campaign and had expressed disquiet at the lack of party support on the ground for the Yes campaign and flagged at the weekend that he would be considering his position.

He said he had reached his decision independently of Ms Power.

He said he felt that Fianna Fáil was no longer a right fit for him and for people with a more liberal outlook.

He said their voices are being drowned out by very elderly, conservative voices.

blinding

Its time for the right wing of ff/fg/lab to officially form the one party they already are.

When in power (which is the only time to judge them) there is not one thing that any of them would do differently.

Stop conning the Irish people come clean and officially "come out" as the one party that fg/ff/lab already are.

Black Menorca

kidneyfan wrote: »

He has a funny voice. I suppose Sean'll be getting married now.

Sean has been happily married for years, though I fail to see the relevance.

GSF

blinding wrote: »

Its time for the right wing of ff/fg/lab to officially form the one party they already are.

When in power (which is the only time to judge them) there is not one thing that any of them would do differently.

Stop conning the Irish people come clean and officially "come out" as the one party that fg/ff/lab already are.

Right wing in what sense - economically or socially? The socially conservatives are all that FF has left now so that would be their natural home. All they need now is a leader who espouses that. If they get O'Cuiv in instead of Martin they are sorted

Black Menorca

blinding wrote: »

Its time for the right wing of ff/fg/lab to officially form the one party they already are.

When in power (which is the only time to judge them) there is not one thing that any of them would do differently.

Stop conning the Irish people come clean and officially "come out" as the one party that fg/ff/lab already are.

An FFG/FF/Lab coalition would be an ideal scenario for me next time round.

Dyr

Larbre34 wrote: »

She'll be in Sinn Féin by sundown, a natural fit.

Dear me, such silliness. I can think of two good reasons why the bould averil would never join Sinn Fein, assuming the shinners would have her, which they wouldnt.

desertcircus

Supremely stupid behaviour from FF. When your party has one female member of the Oireachtas and one Dubliner member of the Oireachtas, and they're the same person, you need to do whatever it takes to hold onto them. The party appears to have learned nothing from the past eight years, and has decided to seek a route back to power by serving rural conservatives above all else. Oblivion deservedly beckons.

Larbre34

desertcircus wrote: »

Supremely stupid behaviour from FF. When your party has one female member of the Oireachtas and one Dubliner member of the Oireachtas, and they're the same person, you need to do whatever it takes to hold onto them. The party appears to have learned nothing from the past eight years, and has decided to seek a route back to power by serving rural conservatives above all else. Oblivion deservedly beckons.

Its true, completely insane. Why any party would entertain a slightly washed up, tainted, stale 53 year old man, known more for parish pump representation than a progressive, younger, in touch woman with a progressive outlook is beyond me.

Skrynesaver

GSF wrote: »

Right wing in what sense - economically or socially? The socially conservatives are all that FF has left now so that would be their natural home. All they need now is a leader who espouses that. If they get O'Cuiv in instead of Martin they are sorted

I'm not sure courting the over 70's vote is a good long term strategy...

Personally I'd love if O'Cuiv took over, it would guarantee their destruction.

Dyr

desertcircus wrote: »

Supremely stupid behaviour from FF. When your party has one female member of the Oireachtas and one Dubliner member of the Oireachtas, and they're the same person, you need to do whatever it takes to hold onto them. The party appears to have learned nothing from the past eight years, and has decided to seek a route back to power by serving rural conservatives above all else. Oblivion deservedly beckons.

FF are desperate for dublin seats. Power wanted them to stick all their money on her in dublin bay north even though their private polling showed she was an outside shot. Wasn't gonna happen and now Power has thrown the toys out of the pram. Bums on seats in the dail are more important than bright young things

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

FF are desperate for dublin seats. Power wanted them to stick all their money on her in dublin bay north even though their private polling showed she was an outside shot. Wasn't gonna happen and now Power has thrown the toys out of the pram. Bums on seats in the dail are more important than bright young things

Depends if your serving the best interests of the party or the country though.

FF f*cked themselves over this, and I'm delighted.

Zubeneschamali

Bambi wrote: »

Bums on seats in the dail are more important than bright young things

I think "bum" is a bit harsh for poor old Sean Haughey.

super_furry

Really don't think that Fianna Fail have anyone who would do a better job or be more palatable to the public than Micheal Martin. That's not to say I think he's doing a good, just that they have no-one better.

Zubeneschamali

super_furry wrote: »

Really don't think that Fianna Fail have anyone who would do a better job or be more palatable to the public than Micheal Martin.

In fact, it's quite clear that bad as he is, the rest of the party will not follow even his half-hearted lead on abortion or same-sex marriage.

If he goes, FF will be headed for the crossroads at Ballymagash.

Triangla

desertcircus wrote: »

Supremely stupid behaviour from FF. When your party has one female member of the Oireachtas and one Dubliner member of the Oireachtas, and they're the same person, you need to do whatever it takes to hold onto them. The party appears to have learned nothing from the past eight years, and has decided to seek a route back to power by serving rural conservatives above all else. Oblivion deservedly beckons.

Credit where it was due, Michael Martin pushed Averil Power forward within the party prior to the 2011 general election and again for senator. Without his backing she would not be a senator.

In my opinion she is leaving the FF party on the coat tails of the marriage referendum to cliam some kind of moral high ground.

She wanted to be a lone candidate for selection at convention and she didn't get her way. A rash decision in my opinion.

There will be both female FF candidates as well as FF members who strongly backed the same sex marriage referendum who will comment on her move and reasons over the coming days I would reckon.

It's a shame she left, she would be an asset to any political party. I think when the dust settles she will be more damaged than FF. I think her ambition has gotten the better of her.

Zubeneschamali

Triangla wrote: »

There will be both female FF candidates as well as FF members who strongly backed the same sex marriage referendum who will comment on her move and reasons over the coming days I would reckon.

Good, everyone has been waiting to hear from FF candidates who strongly backed the same sex marriage referendum, we were wondering where they all were.

Averil Power, Anne Ferris and Stephen Donnelly to form the centre right economical, left wing socially progressive party that some in the country crave?

ThisRegard

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Good, everyone has been waiting to hear from FF candidates who strongly backed the same sex marriage referendum, we were wondering where they all were.

Haughey won't even say which way he voted. The crack on his arse must be fairly sore from that fence.