A Third World War on the cards.

Reiver

Has the entire Ukrainian crisis been a fantastic case of maskirovka on the part of NATO?

Some subtle prodding of the Russian bear and manipulation of media to paint Putin's Russia as the aggressor. This article gives a fascinating perspective on the flipside of our EU-centric views.

It takes two to tango.


http://humansarefree.com/2014/05/cold-war-2-has-begun-us-and-nato-are.html

darkpagandeath

Russia Cannot win a Conventional war with the EU and will not try.

Sheep Lover

Will I bring the washing in off the line so?

catallus

I haven't heard anything about Ukraine or Crimea in ages, now that you mention it.

Maybe it wasn't such a big deal after all and someone in the media thought it would be a good idea to stir shíte.

The_Valeyard

No there isn't. No one wants a major war. Most countries are deeply interconnected economically and tradewise. Not to mention cultural links and descendents etc.

This blip is temporary insanity that is curable through honest negotiations and compromise.

c_man

How old is too old to be conscripted? I'm 30 and am eager to please MILFs on the homefront.

pmasterson95

I thought egginacup would be the OP

Reiver

catallus wrote: »

I haven't heard anything about Ukraine or Crimea in ages, now that you mention it.

Maybe it wasn't such a big deal after all and someone in the media thought it would be a good idea to stir shíte.

I work in Poland and there's a lot of concern here. They have home defense militias being set up and citizens joining gun clubs. Lots of nerves here.

darkpagandeath

c_man wrote: »

How old is too old to be conscripted? I'm 30 and am eager to please MILFs on the homefront.

You would probably still be fine the none EU army :P

Balmed Out

They have a great source within the secret US government.
Top news source.

The_Valeyard

Balmed Out wrote: »

They have a great source within the secret US government.
Top news source.

You mean top men.


TOP......MEN......

dxhound2005

Reiver wrote: »

I work in Poland and there's a lot of concern here. They have home defense militias being set up and citizens joining gun clubs. Lots of nerves here.

You're living in a country which has only existed in it's current form for a few years. It will get bigger and smaller as time goes on, just like in the past. History does not stand still.

In 1492, the territory of Poland-Lithuania - not counting the fiefs of Mazovia, Moldavia, and East Prussia - covered 1,115,000 km2 (431,000 sq mi), making it the largest territory in Europe; by 1793, it had fallen to 215,000 km2 (83,000 sq mi), the same size as Great Britain, and in 1795, it disappeared completely.[4] The first 20th-century incarnation of Poland, the Second Polish Republic, occupied 389,720 km2 (150,470 sq mi), while, since 1945, a more westerly Poland covered 312,677 km2 (120,725 sq mi).[5]

fleet_admiral

We are already in WW3 but its economic instead of use of arms

darkpagandeath

fleet_admiral wrote: »

We are already in WW3 but its economic instead of use of arms

With who ?

Reiver

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You're living in a country which has only existed in it's current form for a few years. It will get bigger and smaller as time goes on, just like in the past. History does not stand still.

In 1492, the territory of Poland-Lithuania - not counting the fiefs of Mazovia, Moldavia, and East Prussia - covered 1,115,000 km2 (431,000 sq mi), making it the largest territory in Europe; by 1793, it had fallen to 215,000 km2 (83,000 sq mi), the same size as Great Britain, and in 1795, it disappeared completely.[4] The first 20th-century incarnation of Poland, the Second Polish Republic, occupied 389,720 km2 (150,470 sq mi), while, since 1945, a more westerly Poland covered 312,677 km2 (120,725 sq mi).[5]

The Baltic states are nervous as well. Everyone feels South Ossetia and Crimea were just the starter. Belarus, Poland and others are the main course.

darkpagandeath

Reiver wrote: »

The Baltic states are nervous as well. Everyone feels South Ossetia and Crimea were just the starter. Belarus, Poland and others are the main course.

NATO members will be fine.

dxhound2005

Reiver wrote: »

The Baltic states are nervous as well. Everyone feels South Ossetia and Crimea were just the starter. Belarus, Poland and others are the main course.

You are probably as far away from South Ossetia as you are from Ireland. A little local difficulty in Central Europe is par for the course and hardly any indicator of Global Conflict Number Three.

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/2000/index.html

One thing guaranteed, that map will not stay the same. It never has in the past.

mad muffin

A Third World War is sorely needed. It's benefits will be wide reaching. Just like the two before it.

Firstly it will thin out the herd.

It will advance science and medicine.

darkpagandeath

mad muffin wrote: »

A Third World War is sorely needed. It's benefits will be wide reaching. Just like the two before it.

Firstly it will thin out the herd.

It will advance science and medicine.

That's a very simplistic view.

dxhound2005

mad muffin wrote: »

A Third World War is sorely needed. It's benefits will be wide reaching. Just like the two before it.

Firstly it will thin out the herd.

It will advance science and medicine.

War is God's pruning knife.

c_man

fleet_admiral wrote: »

We are already in WW3 but its economic instead of use of arms

Hmm, definite lack of MILFs though.

Wtf can I get with three packs of nylon pantyhose and a pack of smokes?

Reiver

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You are probably as far away from South Ossetia as you are from Ireland. A little local difficulty in Central Europe is par for the course and hardly any indicator of Global Conflict Number Three.

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/2000/index.html

One thing guaranteed, that map will not stay the same. It never has in the past.

It was a little "local difficulty" in what we called the Polish Corridor that sparked off the largest war the world has ever seen.

For Forks Sake

c_man wrote: »

Hmm, definite lack of MILFs though.

Wtf can I get with three packs of nylon pantyhose and a pack of smokes?

The best night out of your life............in Mullingar.

tomwaterford

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Russia Cannot win a Conventional war with the EU and will not try.

Because the EU don't have an army???

Herb Powell

mad muffin wrote: »

A Third World War is sorely needed. It's benefits will be wide reaching. Just like the two before it.

Firstly it will thin out the herd.

It will advance science and medicine.

Off with you so, my good man

mad muffin

mad muffin wrote: »

A Third World War is sorely needed. It's benefits will be wide reaching. Just like the two before it.

Firstly it will thin out the herd.

It will advance science and medicine.

Well, correct on point one, but if the war is fierce enough and goes nuclear, technology and medicine will be back to the stone age!

Sir Osis of Liver.

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

A.Einstein

AndonHandon

France would just surrender.

StewartGriffin

c_man wrote: »

Hmm, definite lack of MILFs though.

Wtf can I get with three packs of nylon pantyhose and a pack of smokes?

Panti Bliss?

darkpagandeath

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

A.Einstein

Same guy who did not believe in Black holes so no need to fix his calculations ? Not always right.

tipparetops

It is in every nations interest to go nuclear.
When a nation gets the bomb, no one ****s with them.
Ukraine's biggest mistake was giving up their nuclear arsenal.
Best advice for Poland, Baltic States etc, is to buy some nukes.

Reiver

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

A.Einstein

Balls.


The war would continue, just both sides would know to disperse more so they don't present a tempting target. No one is going to waste a nuke on a few hundred soldiers. The whole going back to the stone age thing is fantastical thinking.

gandalf

Reiver wrote: »

It was a little "local difficulty" in what we called the Polish Corridor that sparked off the largest war the world has ever seen.

And the Russians were involved in that as well helping out their buddies in divvying up Poland between them.

Streetwalker

It is long overdue alright. I don't know who's crazier the Americans or the Russians.

irishlad12345

reckon China and taiwan will be what starts WW3

darkpagandeath

irishlad12345 wrote: »

reckon China and taiwan will be what starts WW3

China's army is defensive in nature keeping the people in line. They don't really have the capacity to wage large scale war on the west without uniting their people against the west somehow.

Maximus Alexander

darkpagandeath wrote: »

China's army is defensive in nature keeping the people in line. They don't really have the capacity to wage large scale war on the west without uniting their people against the west somehow.

That's what they want you to think.

jacksie66

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newmug

I hope it never happens, but I think WW3 will definitely happen within our lifetimes. This period of peace in Europe has been the longest ever, in history. Its just a matter of time, and with ISIS knocking at the neighbours door, and Russia knocking at ours, its as likely as ever.

And do you know what else? I wouldnt rule out a second civil war in Ireland either.

dxhound2005

newmug wrote: »

I hope it never happens, but I think WW3 will definitely happen within our lifetimes. This period of peace in Europe has been the longest ever, in history. Its just a matter of time, and with ISIS knocking at the neighbours door, and Russia knocking at ours, its as likely as ever.

And do you know what else? I wouldnt rule out a second civil war in Ireland either.

That's too vague, saying within our lifetimes. That could be one year for a person or one hundred years.

silverfeather

The combined 28 nations of NATO have a combined population triple that of Russia. They have budgets many times he size of Russia. Their combines forces easily outgun russia many times over. NATO nuclear sharing vastly over powers Russia.


WWIII is a hypothetical event.

I think if you want to hypothesize you need to be aware of the actual military plans that automatically kick into place should this arise. Also the attack warning systems. Current ones are top secret but past ones aren't. Operation Behemoth ,NATO nuclear sharing,Exercise Internal Look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Military_plans

Exercises Grand Slam, Longstep, and Mainbrace.

Looking at historical close calls. Some of them believe it or not have been total accidents. The Norwegian rocket incident was a total accident. Nearly caused wwIII there were many false alarms during the cold war. The Crimean crisis.

silverfeather

newmug wrote: »

And do you know what else? I wouldnt rule out a second civil war in Ireland either.

I think I would.

jacksie66

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darkpagandeath

silverfeather wrote: »

The combined 28 nations of NATO have a combined population triple that of Russia. They have budgets many times he size of Russia. Their combines forces easily outgun russia many times over. NATO nuclear sharing vastly over powers Russia.


WWIII is a hypothetical event.

I think if you want to hypothesize you need to be aware of the actual military plans that automatically kick into place should this arise. Also the attack warning systems. Current ones are top secret but past ones aren't. Operation Behemoth ,NATO nuclear sharing,Exercise Internal Look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Military_plans

Exercises Grand Slam, Longstep, and Mainbrace.

Looking at historical close calls. Some of them believe it or not have been total accidents. The Norwegian rocket incident was a total accident. Nearly caused wwIII there were many false alarms during the cold war. The Crimean crisis.

Exactly why you think Russia has not cough cough Directly intervened in Ukraine. Crimea excuse was not an invasion as troops were there already.

silverfeather

jacksie66 wrote: »

Between the Yes and No voters..

The no side lost.

darkpagandeath

newmug wrote: »

I hope it never happens, but I think WW3 will definitely happen within our lifetimes. This period of peace in Europe has been the longest ever, in history. Its just a matter of time, and with ISIS knocking at the neighbours door, and Russia knocking at ours, its as likely as ever.

And do you know what else? I wouldnt rule out a second civil war in Ireland either.

Why would the UK goto war with the Republic ?

dxhound2005

silverfeather wrote: »

The no side lost.

And the No side lost the last civil war.

jacksie66

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silverfeather

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Exactly why you think Russia has not cough cough Directly intervened in Ukraine. Crimea excuse was not an invasion as troops were there already.

It's interesting Russian officials have declared

an information war.

These stories play on half-truths, like the presence of far-right nationalists at Maidan, and reasonable doubt, like skepticism of western meddling.

Interesting tactic. Very tough to see clearly not even if you were on the ground. It needs high intelligence to figure out. Putin knew that and it's effect in making citizens in the west less inclined to act or want their govt to act.

dxhound2005

We weren't in WW2. I think we should stay out WW3 (and WW4,5 and 6) as well.

bur

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That's too vague, saying within our lifetimes. That could be one year for a person or one hundred years.

Have you ever been called pedantic?