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Goodbye Aer Lingus

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  • #352
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭54and56


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    Agreed. However anything that knocks another % point or two from Labour will suit me.

    You are hoping for a Labour swing to FG?? :confused:


  • #353
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Just seen Willie Walsh on RTE - he's like O'Leary without the charm :(


  • #354
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Graham wrote: »
    Until the Unions lost some of there power, then it was viable.

    the unions lost none of their power. they were given much of what they wanted, so didn't need to fight as hard. they could still make the market pay if the market tries to drive down their members conditions. a couple of loonies back in the 80s brutalizing a couple of easy targets isn't the unions losing power. it was the government and industries lying that caused the problems of the 70s. the market wasn't viable and it was advances in technology that made it viable.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #355
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    end of the road wrote: »
    the market wasn't viable and it was advances in technology that made it viable.

    Nope, it was competition that made things viable. The relatively recent implosion of the Unions is more a sign that they are much less needed and much less wanted (if at all).


  • #356
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    I'd argue in favour of deregulation tbh leading to greater competition. What made a lot of difference to Ryanair was the ability to have bases in different countries.


  • #357
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    end of the road wrote: »
    the unions lost none of their power. they were given much of what they wanted, so didn't need to fight as hard. they could still make the market pay if the market tries to drive down their members conditions. a couple of loonies back in the 80s brutalizing a couple of easy targets isn't the unions losing power. it was the government and industries lying that caused the problems of the 70s. the market wasn't viable and it was advances in technology that made it viable.

    It really wasn't.


  • #358
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Graham wrote: »
    Nope, it was competition that made things viable. The relatively recent implosion of the Unions is more a sign that they are much less needed and much less wanted (if at all).
    no, it was advances in technology that made it all cheeper for competition viable. the unions haven't imploaded at all, only some gullible people choosing not to join. they are very much needed and wanted and are necessary

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #359
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Calina wrote: »
    It really wasn't.

    i know it wasn't viable at the time.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #360
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    end of the road wrote: »
    no, it was advances in technology that made it all cheeper for competition viable. the unions haven't imploaded at all, only some gullible people choosing not to join. they are very much needed and wanted and are necessary

    Do you actually work there EOTR?

    Because it was not advances in technology. It was the removal of regulatory barriers which had an impact on the aviation sector. Not technology changes.


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  • #361
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    You are hoping for a Labour swing to FG?? :confused:

    No difference at the moment between FG and Labour.


  • #362
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭54and56


    The democratic process has completed and our representatives have agreed to sell our 25% in Aer Lingus.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0528/704294-aer-lingus/

    Bye bye.


  • #363
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    The democratic process has completed and our representatives have agreed to sell our 25% in Aer Lingus.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0528/704294-aer-lingus/

    Bye bye.
    what "democratic process" would that be? it was simply sold, nothing more. nothing "democratic" about it. not in my name

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #364
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    end of the road wrote: »
    what "democratic process" would that be?

    You remember, that process whereby the people elect a government. It wasn't that long ago

    That was followed up by another democratic process whereby our elected representatives got the opportunity to vote again on this specific issue on our behalf.
    end of the road wrote: »
    not in my name

    You said, I'm sure they'll remember to leave your name off the contracts of sale.


  • #365
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Graham wrote: »
    You remember, that process whereby the people elect a government. It wasn't that long ago

    That was followed up by another democratic process whereby our elected representatives got the opportunity to vote again on this specific issue on our behalf.

    no, not on my behalf i'm afraid.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #366
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    end of the road wrote: »
    no, not on my behalf i'm afraid.

    That's the joy of a democracy, you don't always get your own way.


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  • #367
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭54and56


    end of the road wrote: »
    no, not on my behalf i'm afraid.

    Whether you like it or not the elected government of the country you live in and are presumably a citizen of act on behalf of all citizens regardless of whether some of those citizens voted for them or support / agree with what they are doing.

    If you don't like that you have two choices:-

    1. Become politically active, put your alternative political structure and policies in front of your fellow citizens and see if enough people share your view to elect you.

    2. Bugger off to a country where your views on politics and economics are successfully implemented - North Korea springs to mind ;)


  • #368
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    Whether you like it or not the elected government of the country you live in and are presumably a citizen of act on behalf of all citizens regardless of whether some of those citizens voted for them or support / agree with what they are doing.

    If you don't like that you have two choices:-

    1. Become politically active, put your alternative political structure and policies in front of your fellow citizens and see if enough people share your view to elect you.

    2. Bugger off to a country where your views on politics and economics are successfully implemented - North Korea springs to mind
    they didn't act on my behalf. not in my name

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #369
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    end of the road wrote: »
    they didn't act on my behalf. not in my name

    Ah the old EOTR trick, come up with a phrase and keep repeating it ad nausem until the next one comes along.


  • #370
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    You are not even talking about Air Lingus and IAG anymore.:rolleyes:


  • #371
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭54and56


    end of the road wrote: »
    they didn't act on my behalf. not in my name

    Well they took your share of our share of Aer Lingus and sold it.

    Your posts remind me of a 4 year old who thinks if they cover their eyes no one can see them :p


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  • #372
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Roanmore wrote: »
    Ah the old EOTR trick, come up with a phrase and keep repeating it ad nausem until the next one comes along.

    As old as it gets, it's a lot better than 'what about the Cork slots' :pac:


  • #373
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    One good reason why Aer Lingus should not be sold to IAG!!!

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/food-drink-news/aer-lingus-now-offering-tayto-5872569


  • #374
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    mikeym wrote: »
    One good reason why Aer Lingus should not be sold to IAG!!!

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/food-drink-news/aer-lingus-now-offering-tayto-5872569

    Trying to make it posh too being all deconstructed and all that...


  • #375
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭54and56


    mikeym wrote: »
    One good reason why Aer Lingus should not be sold to IAG!!!

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/food-drink-news/aer-lingus-now-offering-tayto-5872569[/quote

    Quite the opposite. Selling Aer Lingus to IAG will spread the Tayto sandwich worldwide. Can you think of a better way to promote Irish food?


  • #376
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    mikeym wrote: »
    One good reason why Aer Lingus should not be sold to IAG!!!

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/food-drink-news/aer-lingus-now-offering-tayto-5872569

    Quite the opposite. Selling Aer Lingus to IAG will spread the Tayto sandwich worldwide. Can you think of a better way to promote Irish food?

    As far as the crisp sandwich is concerned, I don't really think promoting it is required. A Tayto crisp is perfect in every way. Putting it on bread just wrecks it.


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