New Frame - Cervelo S3 or Argon 18 Nitrogen

SOR2010

Hey guys looking for some opinions / advice, I'm changing my frame (mine is beyond repair) but I have a decent set of wheels (mavic elites) & group set (Ultegra 6800) so just going to with a frame set and transfer the gear,
Really like both bikes and just looking for other opinions on either frame, not looking at other options or I'll never decide
I do a mix of club racing & endurance W200 coming up as an example with club league races about 50k max the odd open race thrown in here & there,

http://base2race.ie/collections/road-bike/products/argon-18-nitrogen-2015

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/reviews/road-bikes/cervelo-s3-review

Stevieg2009

I have the s3 and wouldn't swap it for anything fantastic bike I mainly race on it have not done much climbing or endurance stuff on it but for a bike setup up to race I have had no comfort issues

Agent Smyth

I would go the S3 route, it combines the best of Cervélos S range (the aero front triangle) with the best of the R range (the rear pencil seatstays).

Lumen

Agent Smyth wrote: »

I would go the S3 route, it combines the best of Cervélos S range (the aero front triangle) with the best of the R range (the rear pencil seatstays).

Mullet.

niceonetom

Lumen wrote: »

Mullet.

Tellum.

SOR2010

Cheers lads,
Only fear with the Cervelo is will S3 be upgraded to follow the new S5, where as the argon is a new bike,

Lumen

niceonetom wrote: »

Tellum.

That depends on which of hills or sprinting/solo breakaways you consider to be "party time" and "business".

SOR2010

Lumen wrote: »

Mullet.

???

Stevieg2009

SOR2010 wrote: »

Cheers lads,
Only fear with the Cervelo is will S3 be upgraded to follow the new S5, where as the argon is a new bike,

Sure bikes change every year wouldn't let that put you off you won't be disappointed in the Cervelo go to base2race they stock both get a spin on either see what you like chat the lads there they will put you on the right path

Lumen

SOR2010 wrote: »

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niceonetom

Lumen wrote: »

That depends on which of hills or sprinting/solo breakaways you consider to be "party time" and "business".

Nah, deffo tellum based on pure physical volume. And even if you insist on going abstract and define it in terms of purpose, big thick go-faster tubes are clearly party time; thin spindly tubes are sensible ooh-we-wouldn't-want-to-risk-a-sore-bottom time.

Brian?

The Nitrogen, definitely a better looking frame.

SOR2010

Brian? wrote: »

The Nitrogen, definitely a better looking frame.

I think so too, Not a lover of all the Red on S3 that's the only thing against it

I was in B2R yesterday had a quick spin on Nitrogen and it's very nice but you can't really tell on a spin around a car park, didn't have time to try the S3

Brian?

SOR2010 wrote: »

I think so too, Not a lover of all the Red on S3 that's the only thing against it

I was in B2R yesterday had a quick spin on Nitrogen and it's very nice but you can't really tell on a spin around a car park, didn't have time to try the S3

You're getting a great bike either way. There's so little between them you may as well get the one you prefer the look of.

Agent Smyth

One thing to point out is the Argon only has a 5 year warranty while the Cervélo has a lifetime warranty
chances of a warranty claim are slim with both bikes but in 5+ years your still covered with the Cervélo

markusz

Agent Smyth wrote: »

One thing to point out is the Argon only has a 5 year warranty while the Cervélo has a lifetime warranty
chances of a warranty claim are slim with both bikes but in 5+ years your still covered with the Cervélo

good point. I know of someone who had a 6 year old R5 replaced with a 2015 version lately due to a fault. great service from Cervelo.

Lumen

I honestly don't know why people choose aero frames for non-serious-racing purposes.

Aside from the extremely marginal benefit of a very fractional reduction in drag, poorer ride quality and reported front-end floppiness (which may have been fixed in more recent versions) they need full carbon aero wheels to look right. And then you're stuck with something with is no doubt a little bit faster but not really ideal for non-racing use on Irish roads/weather from a ride quality and braking perspective.

The Europcar lads seem to manage fine in the pro peloton with a conventional frame.

JohnBee

Lumen wrote: »

I honestly don't know why people choose aero frames for non-serious-racing purposes.

Aside from the extremely marginal benefit of a very fractional reduction in drag, poorer ride quality and reported front-end floppiness (which may have been fixed in more recent versions) they need full carbon aero wheels to look right. And then you're stuck with something with is no doubt a little bit faster but not really ideal for non-racing use on Irish roads/weather from a ride quality and braking perspective.

The Europcar lads seem to manage fine in the pro peloton with a conventional frame.

I am kinda thinking I agree. Perhaps on descents, or if you are really fast on the flat solo (40kph+) it will save watts, but at lower speeds, or in a group the aero advantage is not there and perhaps stiff and light might be better.

Brian?

Lumen wrote: »

I honestly don't know why people choose aero frames for non-serious-racing purposes.

Aside from the extremely marginal benefit of a very fractional reduction in drag, poorer ride quality and reported front-end floppiness (which may have been fixed in more recent versions) they need full carbon aero wheels to look right. And then you're stuck with something with is no doubt a little bit faster but not really ideal for non-racing use on Irish roads/weather from a ride quality and braking perspective.

The Europcar lads seem to manage fine in the pro peloton with a conventional frame.

Because they look lovely. It's not that complicated. If I had the money I'd buy a Canyon Aeroroad or Litespeed C1R and stare at it a lot.

SOR2010

To explain:
I was originally thinking about the Gallium Pro and saw the Nitrogen while in the store,
I liked the look of it and was ready to purchase and showed it to a mate and he said "really nice bike looks like a Cervelo" did a quick search to see what a Cervelo frame would run me and was shocked I could afford it,
That's why I said in the Original post about not wanting to hear alternatives or I'll never choose, (Very easily lead) So my budget is about €2500-3000 for a frame and the Cervelo was in budget so I asked for opinions and advise from anyone who has either,
I have a cheap set of carbon wheels as well and agree maybe either bike is over spec'ed for my current standard but don't we all want to get better? That's the point of spending this kind of money and not buying a standard bike.

Full disclosure my old bike was a Chinnarello and I've always suspected I'm not getting the watts through the bike, but it is perfectly fine for sportives & cruising

SOR2010

Agent Smyth wrote: »

One thing to point out is the Argon only has a 5 year warranty while the Cervélo has a lifetime warranty
chances of a warranty claim are slim with both bikes but in 5+ years your still covered with the Cervélo

The balance may just have been tipped
Cheers

fat bloke

At those frame prices I think you're FAR better off buying a full build. Sell the groupset and wheels you have.

http://www.bikelineshop.de/en/bikes/cervelo/road-race-bikes/cervelo-s5-shimano-ultegra-2430.html

Only a 54 left but it gives you an idea.

Eg if you went canyon or rose you'd have range of high spec bikes you could buy for the price of a new mid range cervelo frameset

SOR2010

fat bloke wrote: »

At those frame prices I think you're FAR better off buying a full build. Sell the groupset and wheels you have.

http://www.bikelineshop.de/en/bikes/cervelo/road-race-bikes/cervelo-s5-shimano-ultegra-2430.html

Only a 54 left but it gives you an idea.

Eg if you went canyon or rose you'd have range of high spec bikes you could buy for the price of a new mid range cervelo frameset

Thanks But 54 is too small for me, I know what your saying alright but my plan if I can stretch to it is to get a Di2 upgrade kit now or in the near future hence why I'm going for a Frame set
A Di2 set up on the bike is over €4k as they say it's €1700 for the groupset but it can be got online for €1200 and about €800 for the upgrade kit

It looks like the S3 is winning though that and there are no Nitrogens available ( just on to B2R)

custom_build

You're best bet would probably be talking to Paul out in B2R, he's raced both and is currently riding the argon. I'm sure he'd know better than most on here.

Agent Smyth

If it helps I know Hollingsworth Bikes in Kilmacud has a couple of S3s in stock

SOR2010

Thanks All the plan is to get in to B2R either tomorrow or Friday and have a chat with Paul re a build

Charlie69

Another very happy S3 owner here, love the Gallium pro and Nitrogen too though and as someone said earlier you'll have a class bike either way.

SOR2010

Charlie69 wrote: »

Another very happy S3 owner here, love the Gallium pro and Nitrogen too though and as someone said earlier you'll have a class bike either way.

Cheers Charlie can't get the Argon so it looks likely I'll be joining Team Cervelo

Charlie69

SOR2010 wrote: »

Cheers Charlie can't get the Argon so it looks likely I'll be joining Team Cervelo

I think you'll be very happy with it my friend. welcome to try mine any time by the way, it's a 54 though.

SOR2010

Charlie69 wrote: »

I think you'll be very happy with it my friend. welcome to try mine any time by the way, it's a 54 though.

I need a 56 at least I'd say hopefully gets spin on 1 tomorrow and then have it fingers crossed middle of next week, all going well

Charlie69

SOR2010 wrote: »

I need a 56 at least I'd say hopefully gets spin on 1 tomorrow and then have it fingers crossed middle of next week, all going well

No problem, best of luck with it if you decide to buy.

PringleDemon

SOR2010 wrote: »

Thanks But 54 is too small for me, I know what your saying alright but my plan if I can stretch to it is to get a Di2 upgrade kit now or in the near future hence why I'm going for a Frame set
A Di2 set up on the bike is over €4k as they say it's €1700 for the groupset but it can be got online for €1200 and about €800 for the upgrade kit

It looks like the S3 is winning though that and there are no Nitrogens available ( just on to B2R)

The 2016 model Nitrogen will be available in July.

SOR2010

PringleDemon wrote: »

The 2016 model Nitrogen will be available in July.

Cheers I was in B2R today and it could be Sept - Oct before they have the 2016,
No S3 either for 6-8 weeks
Now the Look 695 aero is a possibility will know more Saturday have to do a bike fit

Agent Smyth

The bike industry never ceases to amaze me.
Nobody should have to wait 6/8 weeks for a current model, maybe 1/2 weeks while they order it in for you but not 6/8.

Craig06

If you're in for something different have you looked at a Ritte Ace frame? Nice high end frame and rare?

JohnBee

Craig06 wrote: »

If you're in for something different have you looked at a Ritte Ace frame? Nice high end frame and rare?

I also have a local store that sells the ACE. Have you experience of it? Nice to have something different, but at the price point it is heavier than other frames and I wonder is it just marketing? (although I guess marketing applies to all bikes nowadays!)

Craig06

Frame is 980g and 340g for the fork. Hardly heavy though.

shaycl

Did you have a look at the cervelo S2. The only difference between it and the S3 is the fork which is more aero than the S2. The standard colour is black with blue decals . I bought it last year and love it. In the last couple of months 4 club mates have bought S3's in the LBS and were only waiting 3/4 weeks max for them to arrive.

JohnBee

Craig06 wrote: »

Frame is 980g and 340g for the fork. Hardly heavy though.

Still wondering if it is over priced?

funnyclub

SOR2010 wrote: »

Cheers I was in B2R today and it could be Sept - Oct before they have the 2016,
No S3 either for 6-8 weeks
Now the Look 695 aero is a possibility will know more Saturday have to do a bike fit

Is that 6-8 weeks for any size S3?

SOR2010

funnyclub wrote: »

Is that 6-8 weeks for any size S3?

That's what I was told - 6 weeks for a 56 & 8 for a 58!
In fairness to Paul in B2R he was going to buy in the full bike & give me the frame & keep the rest but can't wait that long!

Stevieg2009

SOR2010 wrote: »

That's what I was told - 6 weeks for a 56 & 8 for a 58!
In fairness to Paul in B2R he was going to buy in the full bike & give me the frame & keep the rest but can't wait that long!

I bought in there after Xmas lucky enough they had a 54 on display at the time so I snapped it up or I was told I'd be waiting until March at the earliest in another store did you try slane cycles by any chance?

SOR2010

Thanks for all the advice folks picked up the new bike today just back from a quick spin and I'm very happy ðŸ˜

Look 695 Aerolight

funnyclub

SOR2010 wrote: »

Thanks for all the advice folks picked up the new bike today just back from a quick spin and I'm very happy ðŸ˜

Look 695 Aerolight

Very nice, best of luck with it :cool:

Charlie69

Stunning bike, best of luck with it bud.

Agent Smyth

Beautiful bike, love the intergrated brakes, did you buy it in Base 2 Race ??

SOR2010

Agent Smyth wrote: »

Beautiful bike, love the intergrated brakes, did you buy it in Base 2 Race ??

No got it in Hollingsworth Cycles in Kilmacud, B2R don't do Look

Stevieg2009

Best of luck with the look quality bike