Cardinal suggests Irish voters are worse than the pagans

Surprisingly, this is not a Waterford Whispers news story. Super-conservative senior Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke has said that Irish people have gone further than the pagans in their "incredible" defiance of God

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/2108/0/ireland-is-worse-than-the-pagans-for-legalising-gay-marriage-says-senior-cardinal

Has the Roman Catholic Church officially lost the run of itself?

The Vatican's secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, recently claimed that the Irish vote was a "defeat for humanity".

The whole church is entering the realm of satire. Cardinal Burke's wiki page reads like something from Fr Ted. His views on 'female altar-servers' causing a "man crisis" is another clanger from this nutter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Leo_Burke#Priest_shortage

Shenshen

The Pagans?

Are they the ones living at number 62?
Lovely couple, lots of fun.

smash

This just in: Cardinal is a fcuking moron!

blatantrereg

Yah! In your face god!

fizzypish

**** em. They are nearly inconsequential in our generation. Give it 2 generations of relative economic success in Europe and the church will be radically reformed or dead.

weisses

Biggest compliment anyone could give me

listermint

I had a pagan once, Couldnt eat a whole one though.

walkingshadow

Anything that pisses the Catholic Church off is delightful.

Maximus Alexander

I can't believe we defied Mr Burke's imagination. How dare we. I am aghast.

mg1982

Worst thing to happen this country was bringing christianity. We should have to stuck to our pagan ways.

5starpool

Oh noes, we don't all believe in the same things he does, or perhaps some of those that do believe in god also believe in the message of love, tolerance and acceptance rather than the mysogeny, hate and inequality that he seems to be in favour of.

However shall we repent.

Ruu

I'm not reading anything by someone who wears that ridiculous looking hat! Fuckin size of the thing!

Ghost Buster

My wifes a Pagan/ Wiccan. Its as batty as anything else but her hot witchy friends regularly flounce round me garden by moonlight getting pissed. Nice...:D

Call Me Jimmy

That means we're one step closer to enlightenment!

MRnotlob606

mg1982 wrote: »

Worst thing to happen this country was bringing christianity. We should have to stuck to our pagan ways.

Then we'd never have the Book of Kells and many of the great monasteries which were citadels of learning and culture.We were a beacon of light in a very dark Europe . I don't like all this revisionism the Christianity is terrible.

Sure Pagan Human sacrifices would be great in a modern Ireland....

Mint Aero

I agree with him.

Ghost Buster

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Then we'd never have the Book of Kells and many of the great monasteries .I hate all this revisionism the Christianity is terrible.

Sure Pagan Human sacrifices would be great in a modern Ireland....

Well, 80%ish of us seem to really dig crucifiction.

Ghost Buster

Mint Aero wrote: »

I agree with him.

Do you have similar dress sense?

Genghiz Cohen

Implying Pagans are somehow bad...

alchemist33

Ghost Buster wrote: »

My wifes a Pagan/ Wiccan. Its as batty as anything else but her hot witchy friends regularly flounce round me garden by moonlight getting pissed. Nice...:D

Hi. I saw your post on boards.ie and would like to receive regular email alerts...

o1s1n

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Then we'd never have the Book of Kells and many of the great monasteries .I hate all this revisionism the Christianity is terrible.

Sure Pagan Human sacrifices would be great in a modern Ireland....

Give me ancient sites like Newgrange and Loughcrew over monasteries any day.

seamus

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Then we'd never have the Book of Kells and many of the great monasteries which were citadels of learning and culture.We were a beacon of light in a very dark Europe . I don't like all this revisionism the Christianity is terrible.

Sure Pagan Human sacrifices would be great in a modern Ireland....

Yeah, down with ritual and respectful killings, we should just torture and butcher the people who don't believe what we do. That's the Christian way.

MRnotlob606

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, down with ritual and respectful killings, we should just torture and butcher the people who don't believe what we do. That's the Christian way.

And the pagan way is much more tolerant and and pluralistic :rolleyes:

Delirium

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Then we'd never have the Book of Kells and many of the great monasteries which were citadels of learning and culture.We were a beacon of light in a very dark Europe . I don't like all this revisionism the Christianity is terrible.

Sure Pagan Human sacrifices would be great in a modern Ireland....

yeah, be awful if groups of people where to gather every week to drink blood and consume human flesh.

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mg1982

mg1982 wrote: »

Worst thing to happen this country was bringing christianity. We should have to stuck to our pagan ways.

I don't agree with that. The affinity for the pre-Reformation Christian religion was initially beneficial to Irish development, but was simply too prolonged.

The failure of the Reformation in Ireland, partially to preserve the justification for the Irish national identity, marks the beginning of the ruinous domination of Ireland by the Catholic Church which, from that time, jealously guarded its hold over its remaining dominions against reform and enlightenment.

The worst to happen this country since the victory of Brian Boru was the failure of the reformation in Ireland. It is a failure for which we are still paying heavily today.

Oink

So the Church hierarchy is capable of outrage. Interesting. I somehow thought they were the type to look the other way when something unacceptable happens. Don't know where I got that idea.

Ghost Buster

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

And the pagan way is much more tolerant and and pluralistic :rolleyes:

IS= Yes totally. I live with one. She ignores my atheism and I ignore her Wicca (except her mates romping about the garden by moonlight.)

lertsnim

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Surprisingly, this is not a Waterford Whispers news story. Super-conservative senior Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke has said that Irish people have gone further than the pagans in their "incredible" defiance of God

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/2108/0/ireland-is-worse-than-the-pagans-for-legalising-gay-marriage-says-senior-cardinal

Has the Roman Catholic Church officially lost the run of itself?

The Vatican's secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, recently claimed that the Irish vote was a "defeat for humanity".

The whole church is entering the realm of satire. Cardinal Burke's wiki page reads like something from Fr Ted. His views on 'female altar-servers' causing a "man crisis" is another clanger from this nutter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Leo_Burke#Priest_shortage

Oh boy, that's me told. When will this group of robed weirdos realise they have no power here anymore.

diddley

Sounds good to me. I'd much rather they raged on with their idiocy in the face of defeat than did a turnaround and tried to save face

MRnotlob606

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, down with ritual and respectful killings, we should just torture and butcher the people who don't believe what we do. That's the Christian way.

What about pagans executing Christians in the amphitheatres around Roman Europe , in fact it was the shared collective consciousness of suffering and persecution that helped Christianity thrive. You have a selective bias ?

MRnotlob606

Pagans were just as ruthless as Christians, it's nonsense to assume that head hunting and human sacrifice are enlightened practices.

seamus

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

And the pagan way is much more tolerant and and pluralistic :rolleyes:

Actually it is. Paganism is an insanely varied set of practices, most of them with a Gaia-esque focus demanding respect for nature, animals and humanity.

The Abrahamic religions by contrast take a far more authoritarian approach to all of these things.

There is a massive amount of flexibility in paganism, some types practiced ritual sacrifice, others none at all. Many pagan sects are even atheist.

It wasn't me!

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Pagans were just as ruthless as Christians, it's nonsense to assume that head hunting and human sacrifice are enlightened practices.

Or cannibalism...

Ghost Buster

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Pagans were just as ruthless as Christians, it's nonsense to assume that head hunting and human sacrifice are enlightened practices.

Pagans arent /werent a definitive group. Pagans encompasses everything from Aboriginees through native americans , witches, Druids and Buddhists.

Ghost Buster

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Or cannibalism...

Also called transubstantiation....... BODY OF CHRIST!!!:P

mg1982

Actually a lot of pagan rituals involve worship of nature which makes a lot more sense to me than worshiping a man with a beard who lives in the sky. I think if we stuck to nature worship we would be a lot closer to the true meaning of life and the universe.

MRnotlob606

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Pagans arent /werent a definitive group. Pagans encompasses everything from Aboriginees through native americans , witches, Druids and Buddhists.

You know well I'm talking about Celtic Poltheism given the context of the article ?

old_aussie

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Well, 80%ish of us seem to really dig crucifiction.

Could be positions opening up for you guys soon in the middle east, I see they're recruiting.

crockholm

seamus wrote: »

Actually it is. Paganism is an insanely varied set of practices, most of them with a Gaia-esque focus demanding respect for nature, animals and humanity.

The Abrahamic religions by contrast take a far more authoritarian approach to all of these things.

There is a massive amount of flexibility in paganism, some types practiced ritual sacrifice, others none at all. Many pagan sects are even atheist.

The Irish branch of pre-xtian paganism certainly did have human sacrifices.

TwoShedsJackson

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

And what good is paganism ,other than a psuedo religion revived by new age hippies ?

What good is Christianity other than for those within the organisation to attempt to exercise control over others, whilst relieving them of as much as cash as they can too, of course?

Why don't you tell us about the last time a pagan tried to influence what way you voted on something, or asked you to contribute to their coffers despite the billions they have squirreled away in banks, then we can see which is worse.

nelly17

Man in funny hat resorts to name calling when things dont go his way

seamus

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What about pagans executing Christians in the amphitheatres around Roman Europe , in fact it was the shared collective consciousness of suffering and persecution that helped Christianity thrive. You have a selective bias ?

You might find it interesting to note that part of the reason the Romans persecuted the Christians was because they accused Christianity of being pagan

Roman religion was basically a mish-mash of everything, but first and foremost identified a higher authority, be that the roman gods or the roman emperor or whoever.

Paganism by contrast while sometimes having a godly or deistic figure, rarely has an active authoritarian figure at the top.

Paganism was roundly outlawed in ancient Rome, especially after the Christians took control.

Clearly the wikipedia-page hit for paganism has skyrocketed in the past 30 minutes.

seamus

crockholm wrote: »

The Irish branch of pre-xtian paganism certainly did have human sacrifices.

Some of them sure did. There was a good documentary a few weeks back about how they reckon the bog bodies found all over Ireland and the UK are likely high kings or other members of high society who were sacrificed in order to appease the Gods after a bad harvest.

MRnotlob606

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What good is Christianity other than for those within the organisation to attempt to exercise control over others, whilst relieving them of as much as cash as they can too, of course?

Why don't you tell us about the last time a pagan tried to influence what way you voted on something, or asked you to contribute to their coffers despite the billions they have squirreled away in banks, then we can see which is worse.

Well I'm a secularist, and equally oppose anybody who tries to influence people in the way they vote. But you can just say all Christians are the same in one sweeping statement. Not all Christians try to influence others.

corner of hells

Ghost Buster wrote: »

My wifes a Pagan/ Wiccan. Its as batty as anything else but her hot witchy friends regularly flounce round me garden by moonlight getting pissed. Nice...:D

Ghost Buster wrote: »

IS= Yes totally. I live with one. She ignores my atheism and I ignore her Wicca (except her mates romping about the garden by moonlight.)

When's the next moonlight flounce ? Ive a couple of deck chairs and loads of cans.

Ghost Buster

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Well I'm a secularist, and equally oppose anybody who tries to influence people in the way they vote. But you can just say all Christians are the same in one sweeping statement. Not all Christians try to influence others.

He clearly means The Vatican/Church Leaders.

TwoShedsJackson

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Well I'm a secularist, and equally oppose anybody who tries to influence people in the way they vote. But you can just say all Christians are the same in one sweeping statement. Not all Christians try to influence others.

I can say that, but I didn't.

Ghost Buster

corner of hells wrote: »

When's the next moonlight flounce ? Ive a couple of deck chairs and loads of cans.

Ummmm. Summer Solstice I think. Hope its warm.

MRnotlob606

Ghost Buster wrote: »

He clearly means The Vatican/Church Leaders.

Well should be more specific, Just as I was asked to.

kylith

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

What about pagans executing Christians in the amphitheatres around Roman Europe , in fact it was the shared collective consciousness of suffering and persecution that helped Christianity thrive. You have a selective bias ?

Didn't happen. There is no record of Christians being killed in the Colosseum outside of Christian sources. http://www.the-colosseum.net/history/martyrium_en.htm

In fact, the main source of unhappiness with Christians in Rome was their complete lack of respect for other religions* and a reported tendency to set fire to stuff. For these crimes they were executed, but not in the Colosseum.


* Romans had no problem with different religions as long as you at least paid lip service to the Roman gods. Their problem wasn't that Christians believed in a different god, it was claiming that their god was the only real one that pissed the Romans off.