point me to articles in irish newspaper re alieen reed's 4th place in london

peter kern

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Peter the title of this thread is about articles about tri in newspapers in Ireland so GAA not being played internationally is irrelevant. You are being very ignorant and arrogant dismissing the top athletes etc in GAA simply because its only really played here in Ireland.
Performance levels are at a high level. Just look at how the amateur athetes in GAA do against pro athletes of Australian Rules as an example etc etc

again the main point here is that i like Irish newspapers to report more about irish world class performace.

and if ireland beats the austrailan team than iam all for it to report that too.
you forget my sentence where i say that there is some Gaa player that are extremly skilled and could have made it in other sports .

anyway since you are very world open we would agree about my main point i guess to have a wider report than just a few sports ;-)

tunney

peter kern wrote: »

it is certainly not a minorty sport in ireland, but outside ireland it dosnt exist ( apart from some pockets in london)
i think you still fail to see what the argument is here.
i want world class sport reported there is no real world class in Gaa as only played in 1 country

No Peter I get it completely. You are missing the point though.
22st Ms Fattie Fat Ass might give the best head in the world but would I want to watch a porno of her doing it? Or a cracker of a bird who is sick in the sack? I know what I'd prefer to watch - especially as I'll be doing neither.

Same as tri and gaa. Doesn't matter world class or not - its what people want to watch that matters.

peter kern wrote: »

lets face it overall the level of gaa is about irish soccer league ... with some OUtStANDING atheltes that could make it in many sports i dodnt really know an irish person that follows an irish soccer you all have english teams )
i look at it at perofmance level not at participation. i have no problem with Gaa coverage I dont read it.( and i also see that gaa does great yout work ) I have a problem when world class perfomances are not reported.

You clearly do miss the point. There is no coverage of "world class tri" because, being blunt, no one gives the slightest of fvcks. Why would a media outlet print/publish/show something that no one has an interest in?

peter kern wrote: »

quality is not always whats most popular and easy to comprehend.

I agree quality is not what is most popular - however media reporting IS what is popular and/or interesting to the general readership. Niche interests have speciality magazines.

mossym

Papers print what they think people want to read. if they thought there was public interest they would print it. you'll see more coverage in the local papers about local races. why? cause people are interested. how many even know what an ITU race is?

If public interest goes up, column inches will. And what’s being done to generate public interest in triathlon? Outside of those interested in racing, nothing. Peoples opinions in the race aside, one of the big shows , Ironman 70.3 is coming to Dublin in a couple of months. Who has seen any promotion to drum up some interest in it outside of those taking parts? Red Bull put on something in the arsehole of Ireland and there are ads everywhere for months. IM or TI haven’t put an ad anywhere I have seen. People will walk past that event the day it happens and have to stop and ask what is going on. And these are the people you expect the papers to talk about a race in London to? Why would they bother?

BennyMul

tunney wrote: »

No Peter I get it completely. You are missing the point though.
22st Ms Fattie Fat Ass might give the best head in the world but would I want to watch a porno of her doing it? Or a cracker of a bird who is sick in the sack? I know what I'd prefer to watch - especially as I'll be doing neither.

best analogy in the long time

on a serious note,
who really is to blame,
the media outlets for not printing | communicating what we deem world class, and since they all write what sport they came from (a few exceptions of course) what hope do we have of them covering something they do know about or give a fiddlers.

or us when was the last time you bought printed media, or went to the online sports section to look up "non main stream" sporting results
Would we not go to the specialized sites to get the info, written (mostly) by journalists who know the sport.


Does Tri Ireland have a journalist like Shane Stokes covering these races?

rooneyjm

mossym wrote: »

Papers print what they think people want to read. if they thought there was public interest they would print it. you'll see more coverage in the local papers about local races. why? cause people are interested. how many even know what an ITU race is?

If public interest goes up, column inches will. And what’s being done to generate public interest in triathlon? Outside of those interested in racing, nothing. Peoples opinions in the race aside, one of the big shows , Ironman 70.3 is coming to Dublin in a couple of months. Who has seen any promotion to drum up some interest in it outside of those taking parts? Red Bull put on something in the arsehole of Ireland and there are ads everywhere for months. IM or TI haven’t put an ad anywhere I have seen. People will walk past that event the day it happens and have to stop and ask what is going on. And these are the people you expect the papers to talk about a race in London to? Why would they bother?

Red bull had something to advertise, danger = excitement. What exactly would TI be advertising? The most entertaining thing that might happen is a few lads getting dragged out of the Irish Sea because they didnt bother training, other than that its just bodies on bikes and a bit of a run.

Maybe if people had to dive a 100m to start the race, that might get the blood racing.

mossym

rooneyjm wrote: »

Red bull had something to advertise, danger = excitement. What exactly would TI be advertising? The most entertaining thing that might happen is a few lads getting dragged out of the Irish Sea because they didnt bother training, other than that its just bodies on bikes and a bit of a run.

Maybe if people had to dive a 100m to start the race, that might get the blood racing.

sorry for the video quality, but something like this??

seriously, the races pull crowds in other countries. if the belief is that the equivalent race here is not interesting enough to the irish public, then why even argue the papers should report on it?

peter kern

Fair point but I don't think you would ask Pepsi to run an ad campaign for coca cola and at the end of the day ironman and itu Are competetors .
And of course ironman has chosen the route that their market strategy is masses

mossym wrote: »

Papers print what they think people want to read. if they thought there was public interest they would print it. you'll see more coverage in the local papers about local races. why? cause people are interested. how many even know what an ITU race is?

If public interest goes up, column inches will. And what’s being done to generate public interest in triathlon? Outside of those interested in racing, nothing. Peoples opinions in the race aside, one of the big shows , Ironman 70.3 is coming to Dublin in a couple of months. Who has seen any promotion to drum up some interest in it outside of those taking parts? Red Bull put on something in the arsehole of Ireland and there are ads everywhere for months. IM or TI haven’t put an ad anywhere I have seen. People will walk past that event the day it happens and have to stop and ask what is going on. And these are the people you expect the papers to talk about a race in London to? Why would they bother?

mossym

peter kern wrote: »

Fair point but I don't think you would ask Pepsi to run an ad campaign for coca cola and at the end of the day ironman and itu Are competetors .
And of course ironman has chosen the route that their market strategy is masses

Did an MBA. several of the case studies we did focused on companies whose mantra was a happy customer would come back to you, even if you hadn't filled their request directly yourself. example, Zappos, online shoe store in the US, one of the most successful companies in the last 10 years. case study in every business course you do probably given what they have done. Huge in the US. online/telephone sales of shoes. if they don't have what you want, they will go out, order it for you from one of their competitors. they don't promote them, but they're quite open it's their competitor is shipping the product. This mantra that all your competitors are evil and shouldn't be mentioned by names has long been dying out. Companies are much more aware now(or shoudl be) that you live in the smae ecosystem.


anyway, are TI there to promote ITU, or to promote triathlon in Ireland? Sure they are ITU affiliated, but as a government funded organisation their main focus has to be the promotion of the sport, not of ITU. They had no issue reporting on it when it was launched
http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=1786


back to my point about teh ecosystem and business competitors. Saying oh we're not going to mention Ironman cause its a rival org is a little shortsided. What's the longer term view? Increased awareness of the sport, with the potential to increase membership numbers/ODL as people want to get involved. With a one off race at 70.3 distance or longer every year WTC aren't going to be the main beneficiary there, TI and by extension ITU will be.

Get that done, and it's one step to getting a readership base that wants to read about a steller performance by an Irish Triathlete in London.

peter kern

I agree with you and i also think this is the same for that good club races and good commerical races help each other.

Anyway the fact is there is a very hostile relationship and given the fact its ironman in odds with itu and challenge, and on the other hand challenge and Itu working well togheter I guess it would not be that difficult to guess which organistaion might be the main issue on a world wide level . But the fact is its an extremly hositle environment behind the scenes.

I guess its much more like gogle vs microsoft or as i said pepsi vs coke and not quite the perfect case study from your MBA.

Anyway from your point of view what does TI have to do better to promote the sport while apiecing all the stakeholder that all have very different interests ?

And for this thread how could they promote elite athletes better to promote the sport of triathlon ? I am sure if they where to spend more money into elite PR the guy who only got an 50% discount for the the next race, for his first place in a relay will go crazy as he thinks he is the most important asset of the sport.

mossym wrote: »

Did an MBA. several of the case studies we did focused on companies whose mantra was a happy customer would come back to you, even if you hadn't filled their request directly yourself. example, Zappos, online shoe store in the US, one of the most successful companies in the last 10 years. case study in every business course you do probably given what they have done. Huge in the US. online/telephone sales of shoes. if they don't have what you want, they will go out, order it for you from one of their competitors. they don't promote them, but they're quite open it's their competitor is shipping the product. This mantra that all your competitors are evil and shouldn't be mentioned by names has long been dying out. Companies are much more aware now(or shoudl be) that you live in the smae ecosystem.


anyway, are TI there to promote ITU, or to promote triathlon in Ireland? Sure they are ITU affiliated, but as a government funded organisation their main focus has to be the promotion of the sport, not of ITU. They had no issue reporting on it when it was launched
http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=1786


back to my point about teh ecosystem and business competitors. Saying oh we're not going to mention Ironman cause its a rival org is a little shortsided. What's the longer term view? Increased awareness of the sport, with the potential to increase membership numbers/ODL as people want to get involved. With a one off race at 70.3 distance or longer every year WTC aren't going to be the main beneficiary there, TI and by extension ITU will be.

Get that done, and it's one step to getting a readership base that wants to read about a steller performance by an Irish Triathlete in London.

bryangiggsy

Reid is ranked no 1 in the European championships this weekend but goes up against Olympic gold and silver medalists Spirig and Norden. How do you think she will fair?

NIMAN

She's a Nordie, end of.

bryangiggsy

NIMAN wrote: »

She's a Nordie, end of.

D'ont feed the trolls :pac:

peter kern

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Reid is ranked no 1 in the European championships this weekend but goes up against Olympic gold and silver medalists Spirig and Norden. How do you think she will fair?

I have no doubt she will beat norden based on what we have seen so far form norden.

looking at the filed you can almost bet that ailleen and spirig will start the run toghter. I dont think anybody can predict the outcome for this one. I would be fairly sure they will be togheter for most of the run and i dont think there will be more than 15 sec difference either way.
but there is also one strong dutch runner who on a good day could win the race

ps one thing if ailleen does well in a sprint race like london that is a very good indication for a great oly race as she would be stronger over the oly distance.

catweazle

http://www.independent.ie/sport/reid-targeting-further-improvement-31297098.html

You must have given them a good bollocking Pete!

peter kern

catweazle wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/reid-targeting-further-improvement-31297098.html

You must have given them a good bollocking Pete!

more like constructive feedback and a good soul in the indo that does triathlon.

bryangiggsy

peter kern wrote: »

more like constructive feedback and a good soul in the indo that does triathlon.

Was rather hoping i come home today and toast an Irish European champion. Anyone see the race and tell me were it went wrong ?

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Was rather hoping i come home today and toast an Irish European champion. Anyone see the race and tell me were it went wrong ?

Were the expectations of winning realistic?

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

Were the expectations of winning realistic?

I thought there was a chance !

Peterx

15 seconds on the RTE 1 9pm news, last sports slot, after hockey. You can't say RTE are not trying today anyway, 2 minority sports in a row there.

benji2006

Full highlights on setanta ireland at the moment

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I thought there was a chance !

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHaGYfOUkAAr7tP.png

There you go. From her own mouth

peter kern

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Was rather hoping i come home today and toast an Irish European champion. Anyone see the race and tell me were it went wrong ?

defo not a performance the press has to report about as today not world class level.

still an ahtlete that has been on the podium on a grand final race , 4 th place in a world series race that had 6 of the top 5 in the world , the week before, has to be seriously considert to have a chance to win a race.
despite all my predictions where totally wrong with the slight expection of the dutch athlete.

catweazle

Spirig was very impressive - she left the pack for dead to pull herself up to the breakaway group, once she got there Aileens race was over. Spirig is in some shape - the motorbike gave a side profile as she broke away - shes just all power

Aileen had done so well with the dolphin dives to build a big lead that I didnt think she would fall so far back in the swim

bryangiggsy

peter kern wrote: »

defo not a performance the press has to report about as today not world class level.

still an ahtlete that has been on the podium on a grand final race , 4 th place in a world series race that had 6 of the top 5 in the world , the week before, has to be seriously considert to have a chance to win a race.
despite all my predictions where totally wrong with the slight expection of the dutch athlete.

Id be rather worried that her immediate reaction after the race was i did not have the strength to go accross with Spirig.
Is bike strength her achilles heal? We know she run well off bike but thats no good if she is not in the front pack. If you dont make the front pack in Rio imo its good night...because i see spirig,norden,stimpson,true all being in it if healthy and no 2nd or 3rd pack will have a chance..id go as far as saying if Jorgenson does not make the front pack in Rio its good night for her as well as they will be far too ahead with that power.

peter kern

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Id be rather worried that her immediate reaction after the race was i did not have the strength to go accross with Spirig.
Is bike strength her achilles heal? We know she run well off bike but thats no good if she is not in the front pack. If you dont make the front pack in Rio imo its good night...because i see spirig,norden,stimpson,true all being in it if healthy and no 2nd or 3rd pack will have a chance..id go as far as saying if Jorgenson does not make the front pack in Rio its good night for her as well as they will be far too ahead with that power.

I am not saying that you are wrong but you talk about this a bit like as it would be a piece of cake to perform in every triathlon ( with the exeption of the brownlees gomez spirig hewitt and now jorgenson its not that common so there is really only 6 Itu guys constantly up there and aillen would be in the next group . I think drawing the conclusion form one race is a bit short sided.
Most critics call Itu an wet run the reality it is not that easy and different courses , wetsuit and non wetsuit form on the day etc do have an impact.
Most tirathletes have a bit of a weakness and for Ailleen of the 3 the bike would be the weakest but to be fair she has improved a good bit there in the last few years.

MD1983

the odd thing to me is not so much the bike but it seems that her swim has gone back a bit, i seem to recall her being a front pack ITU swimmer but she seems to have fallen back a bit or perhaps the other girls have got quicker.

i dont recall ever seeing aileen making a break on the bike in the ITU like say spirig or flora duffy, jenkinson or norden so no surprise seeing the other girls cycle away from her