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cycling on a pedestrian bridge

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Walking the bike across the bridge - not sure if that's legal either but a practical and workable solution.

    Keith I think you might have misconstrued my post - I never cycle on the path when on my own commuting or leisure cycling. Absolutely no issue using the roads defensively and assertively as a cyclist.

    But I'll happily cycle my 8 year old to school on the path (it's wide enough) - the roads are completely unsuitable with drivers happy to ignore speed limits, other road users and cyclists in their rush to get from a to b. I see other school kids doing this as well - I'd rather see them do this than be stuck in a car adding to the traffic mayhem. As I said, it's often lack of suitable cycling infrastructure that leads to these issues arising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    OP, you seem to be a good man with the shoulder tackles. I recommend you contact your local GAA club.

    You'd make a cracking wing back! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    buffalo wrote: »
    I see hundreds of cars parked up with two wheels on the footpath every day. Do they lift the car onto the footpath?
    This is also annoying, but is a completely different set of circumstances. Some of these people are of the opinion that what they are doing is making life easier - not blocking the road - for others.

    Our friends cycling on pavements are all (without exception) selfish, ignorant,lazy, thick and self absorbed/obsessed morons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    But I'll happily cycle my 8 year old to school on the path (it's wide enough) - the roads are completely unsuitable with drivers happy to ignore speed limits, other road users and cyclists in their rush to get from a to b. I see other school kids doing this as well - I'd rather see them do this than be stuck in a car adding to the traffic mayhem. As I said, it's often lack of suitable cycling infrastructure that leads to these issues arising.

    This also creates problems though:

    You're using something that's not for the mode of transportation you're on.

    You're also making everyone in a car think its normal for you to be on the footpath, when they see you on the road they now think "Why the f doesn't this moron cycle on the footpath"

    The point is that the road is there for Cyclists, the footpath is not. It's this half assed approach that leads to problems in Ireland in the first place.

    From your point of view you are only one person not causing a problem for anyone, from someone elses point of view there's a cyclist moving past them on a pavement every few minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    OP, you seem to be a good man with the shoulder tackles. I recommend you contact your local GAA club.

    You'd make a cracking wing back! :D

    Ah **** no am to old and not built for running

    20 years of tackling drunk idiots in night clubs have me reflexes sharpened :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,522 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Ah, yes. Coffee. Dmaned more important. Any act of apathy or fake outrage is automatically excused if it was explained by the need to get a coffee. Good man!

    **** me, who pissed in your cornflakes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    Zillah wrote: »
    It never ceases to amaze me how people happily decide that it is ok to judge all cyclists by the behaviour of one or a couple, but if you did it with, say, drivers or white people they'd roll their eyes and say you're being ridiculous.

    Nobody did this - the category/subject being discussed are the selfish muppets cycling on footpaths


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭tipparetops


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    I think he's hinting that you're logging on as timpparetops and timberrrrrrr, pretending you're two different people agreeing with each other. Your stories are remarkably similar, you even use the same terms and wording.

    That is nonsense.
    But Radia has a very suspicious posting history that hints that they are being used as a second username.
    I ask everyone to check Radia history.


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭qwerty1991


    Every time there is a thread about cyclists people come on and start giving out about motorists and pedestrians... If they are an issue, make another thread about it but don't try to legitimise bad cyclying behaviour by pointing at other groups doing bad things also.

    Some posters on more than this thread keep mention how motorists kill around 200 people a year.

    1. This is not a thread about motorists.

    2. Even if it was it is a futile argument in relation to this issue. Most people, particularly pedestrians, in Dublin city centre (and most other large urban hubs I'm sure) have issues nearly everyday (for me every single dayon my way to and from work) with cyclists breaking lights, cycling on paths, going the wrong way down one way streets etc.

    How many car accident fatalities happen in the city centre? The vast majority are on more rural roads, not on the quays in Dublin. People here are talking mainly about city centre incidents. So comparing fatalities like that to cyclists in the city centre makes no sense.

    I understand how some cyclists are sick of people bashing them all the time but there is clearly a large minority who give them a bad name. I am a meticulous pedestrian and still have to stop in the middle of the road etc when it is my turn to use it after waiting for the lights to change because cyclists don't want to wait. Or when traffic is topped at lights, having to stop on the footpath as cyclists mount it to get to the front of the traffic as opposed to waiting in line.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    and one where a cat ran out in front of him and he nearly let a roar as to give out to the cat.

    or the one where he was cycling and the tree hit him on the helmet.... instead of just, you know, moving out of the way :/
    Wow, he 'nearly' let a roar! That must have been so upsetting for you? Should I send over a PTSD counsellor to help to you recover? I have one counselor who specialises in helping her clients to learn to NOT press the play button on videos that they don't like.
    Wanna make something of it? :mad:
    Nice negotiation skills. I have a good counsellor who deals with anger management too.
    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Would still love to hear a good reason why cyclists think they can justify their prickish behaviour by saying they have seen motorists do similar.
    They are more likely to say that motorists kill 200+ people each year and maim thousands of others, while cyclists don't.
    Cyclists, the root of all evil. Whether I'm driving or walking, those b@stards just get on my nerves. When I see a cyclist my blood pressure starts rising.

    Why in the name of god can you not obey a fcuking red light for fcuk sake!! Fcuk!!

    I have encountered cnutish pedestrians and cnutish drivers but nothing, literally nothing can top cnutish cyclists. I seem to encounter cycling fcuks with a complete disregard for other road users more often than I encounter dickhead motorists and pedestrians. I am convinced the majority of cyclists are colour blind. The light is fcuking red, fcuking red you kant, red means stop.
    Just on the off-chance that you are actually interested in understanding your entirely irrational hatred of people who simply choose a different mode of transport to you, this article might help.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/09/cyclists_are_annoying_why_you_think_they_re_a_menace_on_two_wheels_.html?wpsrc=fol_fb


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    wow....some of you guys need some anger management counselling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Wow, he 'nearly' let a roar! That must have been so upsetting for you? Should I send over a PTSD counsellor to help to you recover? I have one counselor who specialises in helping her clients to learn to NOT press the play button on videos that they don't like.

    Nice negotiation skills. I have a good counsellor who deals with anger management too.


    They are more likely to say that motorists kill 200+ people each year and maim thousands of others, while cyclists don't.


    Just on the off-chance that you are actually interested in understanding your entirely irrational hatred of people who simply choose a different mode of transport to you, this article might help.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/09/cyclists_are_annoying_why_you_think_they_re_a_menace_on_two_wheels_.html?wpsrc=fol_fb

    It's not about killing people.

    Cycling on the footpath is like pissing in someones back garden because the toilet is busy, one person does it, it's just rude and not really a problem. A few hundred do it and it becomes a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Cyclists attitudes here isnt helping there case of being Angels on the street.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    It's not about killing people.

    Cycling on the footpath is like pissing in someones back garden because the toilet is busy, one person does it, it's just rude and not really a problem. A few hundred do it and it becomes a problem.

    Oh you're right, it is definitely a problem. I've done the shoulder-check suggested by others, and I've done the 'arms-out-and-wave-the-cyclist-onto-the-road' thing too. Even if every pedestrian just commented, or told the cyclist to get off the path, that would be a great start.

    But let's keep it in context. The context is that cyclists don't kill 200+ people each year and maim thousands of others.
    dubscottie wrote: »
    99% of cyclists think a green man is a signal for them to go. They claim only a small minority of cyclists jump reds but you just have to stand at any junction to see that is bollox.
    Fairly similar to the view of 99% of drivers to the speed limit then. Almost every driver breaks the speed limit on every journey. And then they have the nerve to come on here and preach to others about traffic law. Staggering hypocrisy there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Oh you're right, it is definitely a problem. I've done the shoulder-check suggested by others, and I've done the 'arms-out-and-wave-the-cyclist-onto-the-road' thing too. Even if every pedestrian just commented, or told the cyclist to get off the path, that would be a great start.

    But let's keep it in context. The context is that cyclists don't kill 200+ people each year and maim thousands of others.


    Fairly similar to the view of 99% of drivers to the speed limit then. Almost every driver breaks the speed limit on every journey. And then they have the nerve to come on here and preach to others about traffic law. Staggering hypocrisy there.

    So why don't you start a thread about speeding motorists then?

    This thread is not about about motorists so no need for the derailing of the topic ........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Oh you're right, it is definitely a problem. I've done the shoulder-check suggested by others, and I've done the 'arms-out-and-wave-the-cyclist-onto-the-road' thing too. Even if every pedestrian just commented, or told the cyclist to get off the path, that would be a great start.
    .
    so you're saying cyclists need to be told where to cycle? If they're that stupid that they don't know this they should stick to walking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Wait are cyclists now saying they crashing into people is a myth as its cars that kill people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Wow, he 'nearly' let a roar! That must have been so upsetting for you? Should I send over a PTSD counsellor to help to you recover? I have one counselor who specialises in helping her clients to learn to NOT press the play button on videos that they don't like.

    Nice negotiation skills. I have a good counsellor who deals with anger management too.


    They are more likely to say that motorists kill 200+ people each year and maim thousands of others, while cyclists don't.


    Just on the off-chance that you are actually interested in understanding your entirely irrational hatred of people who simply choose a different mode of transport to you, this article might help.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/09/cyclists_are_annoying_why_you_think_they_re_a_menace_on_two_wheels_.html?wpsrc=fol_fb

    Passive aggressive much?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Comparing the damage/injury caused by a bike in relation to a car is akin to comparing a water gun with a kalashnikov.
    One is an annoyance but you could be on the recieving end multiple times without major effects. The other? Well one bash from a car or one bullet from a Kalashnikov and it could be death.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭Wang King


    Comparing the damage/injury caused by a bike in relation to a car is akin to comparing a water gun with a kalashnikov.
    One is an annoyance but you could be on the recieving end multiple times without major effects. The other? Well one bash from a car or one bullet from a Kalashnikov and it could be death.
    ;)

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ICG0MuzEYzw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat



    Our friends cycling on pavements are all (without exception) selfish, ignorant,lazy, thick and self absorbed/obsessed morons.

    Not all the time - some times it can be school kids or elderly people who prefer to use this over a dangerous road


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    psinno wrote: »
    It is pretty rare to see drivers driving on paths. Mostly in films.

    I was in a taxi heading up the quays towards O' Connell st with a workmate who had just arrived from India. Traffic was crazy. He couldn't understand why cars wouldn't use the foothpath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,921 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Comparing the damage/injury caused by a bike in relation to a car is akin to comparing a water gun with a kalashnikov.
    One is an annoyance but you could be on the recieving end multiple times without major effects. The other? Well one bash from a car or one bullet from a Kalashnikov and it could be death.

    Right on! Of course it is ok to be hit by a bike, a broken ankle isn't going to kill you! A few bruises, damaged clothing, shock, none of these will kill you. These are all just normal chances you take when you step outside the door.

    So lets get the thread onto the important stuff and discuss how hard you have to be hit by a car to be killed, leave the poor cyclists alone, they are engaging in healthy, eco-friendly activities and are entitled to be cut some slack. There may be a little collateral damage, but hey, cars, pedestrians, falling power lines.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    looksee wrote: »
    Right on! Of course it is ok to be hit by a bike, a broken ankle isn't going to kill you! A few bruises, damaged clothing, shock, none of these will kill you. These are all just normal chances you take when you step outside the door.

    So lets get the thread onto the important stuff and discuss how hard you have to be hit by a car to be killed, leave the poor cyclists alone, they are engaging in healthy, eco-friendly activities and are entitled to be cut some slack. There may be a little collateral damage, but hey, cars, pedestrians, falling power lines.

    Oh my god. The level of exaggeration and nonsense posted on this thread is quite unbelievable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Oh my god. The level of exaggeration and nonsense posted on this thread is quite unbelievable.

    Like how cyclists are saints. Thats a common one.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Like how cyclists are saints. Thats a common one.

    I never saw anyone say that. Can you link to the post?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    So why don't you start a thread about speeding motorists then?

    This thread is not about about motorists so no need for the derailing of the topic ........

    Why? Does it upset to hear that the central tenet of the core issue on this thread is really a minor irritation, compared to the death toll on our roads?
    Tilly wrote: »
    so you're saying cyclists need to be told where to cycle? If they're that stupid that they don't know this they should stick to walking.

    Mmmm, interesting - would you say the same to the motorists I meet regularly coming the wrong way down a one-way street? Should they stick to walking too?
    Wait are cyclists now saying they crashing into people is a myth as its cars that kill people?

    First, you need to understand that cyclists aren't a homogeneous group. They don't all share the same views or opinions. There isn't a 'party line'. Oh and btw, most cyclists are motorists too.

    Secondly, it is a myth to suggest that cyclists do serious damage to pedestrians. In the past 20 years, there has been 1 case in Ireland of a death caused by a cyclist. In that particular case, the death was caused by a head injury as a person hit the ground, rather than any direct impact with the cyclist. But yes, there was one death in 20 years.

    In that same time period, there have been about 10,000 people killed on the road by motorists, and hundreds of thousands maimed - just for context like.
    galljga1 wrote: »
    I was in a taxi heading up the quays towards O' Connell st with a workmate who had just arrived from India. Traffic was crazy. He couldn't understand why cars wouldn't use the foothpath.
    They have the same issue in Russia. These guys are getting on top of the issue. Wouldn't it be nice to bring them to Dublin?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Why? Does it upset to hear that the central tenet of the core issue on this thread is really a minor irritation, compared to the death toll on our roads?

    Fine .......... let's discuss cancer so ............. it's a much bigger killer than motorists ........ I know cancer is not relevant to the topic of this thread but that doesn't seem to concern you :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Fine .......... let's discuss cancer so ............. it's a much bigger killer than motorists ........ I know cancer is not relevant to the topic of this thread but that doesn't seem to concern you :rolleyes:

    Does cancer drive on the road?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I never saw anyone say that. Can you link to the post?

    There are about 30 posts saying it, admittedly, it is the people who seem to hate cyclists (as a group because, apparently, we are all identical in our behaviour) saying it, they all seem to be claiming cyclists are flooding the thread defending other muppets, hasn't happened yet though, but don't let that get in the way of a completely idiotic rant about a bunch of people you don't know.

    I have no more in common with the other cyclists on this thread than I have with the stranger at the end of my road who I have seen cycling a bicycle once, in so much, as I know he rides a bicycle, this apparently means we are identical in our beliefs and attitudes to road law.

    My bicycle is not saving the environment, I am not doing it to annoy other people, I don't run red lights, I do regret posting on this thread as sometimes there is a mentality that can't be stopped no matter how much common sense you put in front of it.

    The whataboutery everyone mentions is reasonable, it showing that these people do not behave this way because they are cyclists, they do it because that's who they are, they will do it in a car, in a bus, on foot etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Does cancer drive on the road?

    Do cyclists? Well they f****** should!!!!!! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    CramCycle wrote: »
    There are about 30 posts saying it, admittedly, it is the people who seem to hate cyclists (as a group because, apparently, we are all identical in our behaviour) saying it, they all seem to be claiming cyclists are flooding the thread defending other muppets, hasn't happened yet though, but don't let that get in the way of a completely idiotic rant about a bunch of people you don't know.

    I have no more in common with the other cyclists on this thread than I have with the stranger at the end of my road who I have seen cycling a bicycle once, in so much, as I know he rides a bicycle, this apparently means we are identical in our beliefs and attitudes to road law.

    My bicycle is not saving the environment, I am not doing it to annoy other people, I don't run red lights, I do regret posting on this thread as sometimes there is a mentality that can't be stopped no matter how much common sense you put in front of it.

    The whataboutery everyone mentions is reasonable, it showing that these people do not behave this way because they are cyclists, they do it because that's who they are, they will do it in a car, in a bus, on foot etc.

    It's funny how every cyclists that posts says "I don't do that, it must be a tiny minority of cyclists who do it ....... oh and, by the way, what about motorists!" etc. yet there are posts upon posts of people saying they see idiot cyclists EVERY day of the year ......... :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    CramCycle wrote: »
    I do regret posting on this thread as sometimes there is a mentality that can't be stopped no matter how much common sense you put in front of it.

    Id say your biggest regret is not leaving it open in your own forum and controlling the thread using your mod powers :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Id say your biggest regret is not leaving it open in your own forum and controlling the thread using your mod powers :pac:

    Wouldn't have got half as much activity in that forum either.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    It's funny how every cyclists that posts says "I don't do that, it must be a tiny minority of cyclists who do it ....... oh and, by the way, what about motorists!" etc. yet there are posts upon posts of people saying they see idiot cyclists EVERY day of the year ......... :confused:

    But your missing my point, I never said some cyclists don't do it, they most definitely do, these few are a plague on our streets, my point was that you should replace the word cyclists with people, some PEOPLE, because it's not all cyclists, if it was, you would hear of all these accidents through the CSO, on the pages of your local papers, not through anecdotal stories on boards which is subject to no vindication or double checking other than if you give a name, you have to prove it.
    Id say your biggest regret is not leaving it open in your own forum and controlling the thread using your mod powers :pac:
    I can assure you not having this thread in cycling is fantastic, 19 pages where there has only been about 1 page of new or thoughtful posts, not my cuppa tea at all. It is annoying that people think that mods use their powers to silence others, but they are usually the ones who haven't listened to the reasons you closed their threads. It's nice to be able to come to after hours and not have that BS hanging over your head, my posting and my modding are completely separate but some people can't accept that, a good analogy for people not being able to accept me being a law abiding road user and a cyclist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    CramCycle wrote: »
    But your missing my point, I never said some cyclists don't do it, they most definitely do, these few are a plague on our streets, my point was that you should replace the word cyclists with people, some PEOPLE, because it's not all cyclists, if it was, you would hear of all these accidents through the CSO, on the pages of your local papers, not through anecdotal stories on boards which is subject to no vindication or double checking other than if you give a name, you have to prove it.


    I can assure you not having this thread in cycling is fantastic, 19 pages where there has only been about 1 page of new or thoughtful posts, not my cuppa tea at all. It is annoying that people think that mods use their powers to silence others, but they are usually the ones who haven't listened to the reasons you closed their threads. It's nice to be able to come to after hours and not have that BS hanging over your head, my posting and my modding are completely separate but some people can't accept that, a good analogy for people not being able to accept me being a law abiding road user and a cyclist.

    I'm just amazed you're a mod and not using the 40 posts per page option :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    CramCycle wrote: »
    But your missing my point, I never said some cyclists don't do it, they most definitely do, these few are a plague on our streets, my point was that you should replace the word cyclists with people, some PEOPLE, because it's not all cyclists, if it was, you would hear of all these accidents through the CSO, on the pages of your local papers, not through anecdotal stories on boards which is subject to no vindication or double checking other than if you give a name, you have to prove it.


    I can assure you not having this thread in cycling is fantastic, 19 pages where there has only been about 1 page of new or thoughtful posts, not my cuppa tea at all. It is annoying that people think that mods use their powers to silence others, but they are usually the ones who haven't listened to the reasons you closed their threads. It's nice to be able to come to after hours and not have that BS hanging over your head, my posting and my modding are completely separate but some people can't accept that, a good analogy for people not being able to accept me being a law abiding road user and a cyclist.

    You are missing my point ......... I said that cyclists on here always post claiming it's a small minority of cyclists who are idiots yet we have posts upon posts of people saying they see multiple idiot cyclists daily ......... and you responded with "some cyclists do it" :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    CramCycle wrote: »
    But your missing my point, I never said some cyclists don't do it, they most definitely do, these few are a plague on our streets, my point was that you should replace the word cyclists with people, some PEOPLE, because it's not all cyclists, if it was, you would hear of all these accidents through the CSO, on the pages of your local papers, not through anecdotal stories on boards which is subject to no vindication or double checking other than if you give a name, you have to prove it.


    I can assure you not having this thread in cycling is fantastic, 19 pages where there has only been about 1 page of new or thoughtful posts, not my cuppa tea at all. It is annoying that people think that mods use their powers to silence others, but they are usually the ones who haven't listened to the reasons you closed their threads. It's nice to be able to come to after hours and not have that BS hanging over your head, my posting and my modding are completely separate but some people can't accept that, a good analogy for people not being able to accept me being a law abiding road user and a cyclist.

    So basically one page of cyclists posts vs. 18 pages of non cyclists. How many of those posters from the 18 pages would have been arsed going to cycling forum? AH is one of the busier forums so obviously higher traffic. Cycling would have only been that 1 page of posters for the most part bar perhaps a page or two.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    So basically one page of cyclists posts vs. 18 pages of non cyclists. How many of those posters from the 18 pages would have been arsed going to cycling forum? AH is one of the busier forums so obviously higher traffic. Cycling would have only been that 1 page of posters for the most part bar perhaps a page or two.

    We get alot of seagulls in cycling, some people swoop in sh1t all over the place and leave. One or two posters would have come on giving out about the cyclist, everyone would agree then you would have the same as here with people who don't regularly post in the forum coming in and giving out about all cyclists and how other cyclists defend them, which just doesn't happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    CramCycle wrote: »

    I can assure you not having this thread in cycling is fantastic, 19 pages where there has only been about 1 page of new or thoughtful posts, not my cuppa tea at all. It is annoying that people think that mods use their powers to silence others, but they are usually the ones who haven't listened to the reasons you closed their threads. It's nice to be able to come to after hours and not have that BS hanging over your head, my posting and my modding are completely separate but some people can't accept that, a good analogy for people not being able to accept me being a law abiding road user and a cyclist.

    There wouldn't be 19 pages if it was in the cycling forum, there would be mod warnings and more yellow and red cards than you would see in any Ulster football final.
    The cycling forum is biased, dont like what ye hear mod warning, cards etc. You cannot watch the parade and drive in it at the same time.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    .... and you responded with "some cyclists do it" :rolleyes:

    It's a reasonable statement, some, ie an unknown or unspecified number. I can put a link to the definition in my next post.
    Some cyclists break the rules of the road but not all.
    I could give hundreds of other examples of appropriate uses of the word 'some' but I would be accused of whataboutery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,921 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The original issue here was a self-absorbed fool on a bike was completely in the wrong and narrowly avoided injuring three people.

    This led to posters deflecting the point by initially mocking the OP for even posting, and then doing the 'well motorists' stuff that is irrelevant.

    Assuming the incident happened in the way the OP said, and no-one has disputed it, it would have been much more effective to agree that yes, the man on the bike was a fool, and people should not cycle - certainly not fast - across foot bridges. Why the need to be so defensive and dismissive?

    The argument that it is somehow ok to risk hitting people with a bike because it is cars that kill people is beyond ridiculous. A person running full tilt down a crowded street, or a kid on a skateboard, is even less of a threat than a bike, but they could still knock people over and cause injury, would that be ok because cyclists?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    looksee wrote: »
    The original issue here was a self-absorbed fool on a bike was completely in the wrong and narrowly avoided injuring three people.

    This led to posters deflecting the point by initially mocking the OP for even posting, and then doing the 'well motorists' stuff that is irrelevant.

    Assuming the incident happened in the way the OP said, and no-one has disputed it, it would have been much more effective to agree that yes, the man on the bike was a fool, and people should not cycle - certainly not fast - across foot bridges. Why the need to be so defensive and dismissive?

    The argument that it is somehow ok to risk hitting people with a bike because it is cars that kill people is beyond ridiculous. A person running full tilt down a crowded street, or a kid on a skateboard, is even less of a threat than a bike, but they could still knock people over and cause injury, would that be ok because cyclists?

    That's it in a nutshell .......... well said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You are missing my point ......... I said that cyclists on here always post claiming it's a small minority of cyclists who are idiots yet we have posts upon posts of people saying they see multiple idiot cyclists daily ......... and you responded with "some cyclists do it" :rolleyes:


    Where specifically did anybody (cyclist or otherwise) claim that it's a 'small minority of cyclists' who misbehave?
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    It's funny how every cyclists that posts says "I don't do that, it must be a tiny minority of cyclists who do it ....... oh and, by the way, what about motorists!" etc. yet there are posts upon posts of people saying they see idiot cyclists EVERY day of the year ......... :confused:


    Yes, that is funny. And yet, when you look at road injury statistics, you see that motorists kill 200+ people each year while cyclists kill zero. There must be some very unobservant motorists out there, if they don't notice the misbehaving motorists.
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Do cyclists? Well they f****** should!!!!!! :p

    Yep, most cyclists do indeed drive on the road. Funnily enough, most motorists don't cycle, and seem to have lost any sense of perspective on what it's like to cycle these days. But most cyclists do indeed drive on the road, and pay motor tax. They just don't have time to sit around in traffic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    looksee wrote: »
    The argument that it is somehow ok to risk hitting people with a bike because it is cars that kill people is beyond ridiculous. A person running full tilt down a crowded street, or a kid on a skateboard, is even less of a threat than a bike, but they could still knock people over and cause injury, would that be ok because cyclists?

    RainyDay wrote: »
    Yes, that is funny. And yet, when you look at road injury statistics, you see that motorists kill 200+ people each year while cyclists kill zero. There must be some very unobservant motorists out there, if they don't notice the misbehaving motorists.

    Reading Comprehension for the win!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    I'm just at the point now, reading all the anger filled posts on here, that I just find it funny the number of people who get disproportionately wound up by something that is an irritation at worst.

    The good thing is that cyclist numbers are only going to increase. Only recently Dublin cycles was expanded and, funded by the taxpayer, the bike to work scheme continues to do a roaring trade


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Where specifically did anybody (cyclist or otherwise) claim that it's a 'small minority of cyclists' who misbehave?




    Yes, that is funny. And yet, when you look at road injury statistics, you see that motorists kill 200+ people each year while cyclists kill zero. There must be some very unobservant motorists out there, if they don't notice the misbehaving motorists.



    Yep, most cyclists do indeed drive on the road. Funnily enough, most motorists don't cycle, and seem to have lost any sense of perspective on what it's like to cycle these days. But most cyclists do indeed drive on the road, and pay motor tax. They just don't have time to sit around in traffic.

    So ........... it's a big majority of cyclists who misbehave? I suspected as much :)

    I'll ignore the motorist aspect of your post as it's irrelevant to this particular thread.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    looksee wrote: »
    The original issue here was a self-absorbed fool on a bike was completely in the wrong and narrowly avoided injuring three people.
    Agreed, I don't think anyone has said differently.
    This led to posters deflecting the point by initially mocking the OP for even posting, and then doing the 'well motorists' stuff that is irrelevant.
    Actually it seemed to me that some people decided to say all cyclists were law breaking assholes, this was one example. And the that other rubbish started. There was no deflection on the point, every cyclist who has posted here seems to agree the cyclist in the OP was a d1ck and deserved that and more.
    Assuming the incident happened in the way the OP said, and no-one has disputed it, it would have been much more effective to agree that yes, the man on the bike was a fool, and people should not cycle - certainly not fast - across foot bridges. Why the need to be so defensive and dismissive?
    Said several times, everyone agrees the cyclist was an asshat and that cyclists should not cycle on pedestrian bridges.
    The argument that it is somehow ok to risk hitting people with a bike because it is cars that kill people is beyond ridiculous. A person running full tilt down a crowded street, or a kid on a skateboard, is even less of a threat than a bike, but they could still knock people over and cause injury, would that be ok because cyclists?
    Again, no one said that.

    I want FPNS for cyclists, I let an ill mannered comment out of my mouth every time one passes me at a lights. When I am walking, it rarely happens but unless they are a small child I make a point of telling the to **** off and ride on the road. I do the same to other road users.

    There is no excuse for the behaviour of a subset of people on Irish roads, but other road users seem to tolerate it from everyone bar cyclists on these threads, I just have a belief we should tolerate it from no one.

    I tolerate poor behaviour from peds because they are ignored by town and city engineers. Motorists and cyclists can **** off in equal measure if they can't have manners. I don't tolerate it but that seems to make no difference because the majority of us do tolerate it and until there is change, where we get cameras on every light and a public who en masses respond negatively to poor road behaviour, then I fear little will change.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    As I say i am a cyclist, pedestrian and a driver and see dickish behaviour from all three but what pissed me off this morning most was the fact the guy thought everyone else was to blame but him.
    I wonder is this same guy transformed into a model driver when he gets in his car?

    Actually, I don't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I wonder is this same guy transformed into a model driver when he gets in his car?

    Actually, I don't.

    In all honesty i would hate to see him in charge of any motorised vehicle.


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