Copa América

Talib Fiasco

Bottled

corny

Jesus Gonzalo. That was high.

sReq | uTeK

Boom

Kirby

Another brilliant peno. So, so good.

Gbear

Has Higuain always been such a massive bottler?

corny

The Argie keeper is flapping at these.

Kirby

Chile have the better peno takers. They win it.

Mars Bar

Terrible penalty

Grid.

Never looked confident

Kirby

Balls of steel..... :P

inforfun

You are a naughty boy, Alexis

Mars Bar

Chile looked uber confident in their ability to take a penalty!

sReq | uTeK

Get in. Delighted . Deadly peno. Class

Talib Fiasco

What a win. Fitting it was Sanchez too

Grid.

Well done Chile!!!!!!!:D

Drexel

what a final penalty haha


Delighted for Chile. Argentina were brtual

eagle eye

At that is just awesome, delighted to see Chile win it. Delighted for all their players, they put everything into it every game.

So cheeky from Alexis but so delighted for him too.

efb

Woohoo! Go Sanchez! Go Chile!

corny

Pleased for the Chileans. Lovely end for Sanchez.

Talib Fiasco

Argentina will never win a tournament jaysus

MisterAnarchy

Gbear wrote: »

Has Higuain always been such a massive bottler?

Always suspect under pressure.
Often scuffs vital chances .

Justice done for Chile,that Argentinian team were awful to watch ,they played like a Mourinho team.

Kirby

AndersonIsGod soliloquy in 3....2....1.....

No?

:P

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Disappointed to see Chile win that, thought Argentina deserved it on the balance of things but all the same credit to Chile. Stopped Messi the only way he could be stopped in ET. Referee was woeful, how Chile didn't get a man sent off at some point..

sReq | uTeK

Kirby wrote: »

AndersonIsGod soliloquy in 3....2....1.....

No?

:P

Haha. In 5, no doubt criticising everyone bare you know who

wonski

What a penalty.

Watching the crowd and the players you can see how important this competition is. Great final.

efb

Kirby wrote: »

AndersonIsGod soliloquy in 3....2....1.....

No?

:P

My mistress's eyes are nothing like the Sun...

MisterAnarchy

Big Sam agrees with AIG ,blames the manager for not having a go for it

Kirby

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Haha. In 5, no doubt criticising everyone bare you know who

Messi took a great penalty to be fair.

Rezident

The better team won in the end.

Argentina had their chances, lavezzi, higuain, etc. were atrocious.

0byme75341jo28

Delighted for Messi...

Talib Fiasco

There won't be an alpaca milked in Chile for a week :pac:

Andersonisgod

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Wasn't aware that being deemed a good or bad team player was based on how many assists you have.

I'd suggest you take a look at the likes of Vidal, Mendel and Mascherano. That's what you class as team player's.

Players who track and chase at every opportunity and put themselves ahead of their own personal gain. Then again if he did that he wouldnt be the world class player he is today

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Why do you change the goalposts....
No one is blaming Messi. He's simply not played good tonight....as have a lot of Argentina players. But when anyone calls out a specific performance such as tonight it turns into well he's done this and that and x an u. All of which have no relevance

Change the goalposts? Read the posts, people questioning Messi's workrate and how much of a team player he is (that one did make me chuckle admittedly) rather than noticing what is going on in front of them on the pitch, that being that Argentina were reduced to long ball stuff.
The other post I quoted is inane stuff, it's the kind of thing which I'd just ignore if I got something like that on Twitter, it's so wrong and ill-informed I wouldn't even know where to begin.

sReq | uTeK

Kirby wrote: »

Messi took a great penalty to be fair.

Yup. Did nothing inside the 120.

AIG is in a corner fapping

Kirby

Andersonisgod wrote: »

how much of a team player he is (that one did make me chuckle admittedly)

But he isnt.

He doesnt work as much off the ball as he used to. Thats a fact. You cant just shrug it off.

We can talk about the reason for such things as thats opinion. The fact that he doesnt work as hard isnt up for debate.

Liamalone

Decent enough game to watch there now, Messi was pretty dung but Zabeletta was awful throughout I thought. Loved the very first penalty by Fernández!

Pinturicchio

Delighted. I had Chile backed since before the tournament.

I think they're deserving winners as well.

inforfun

Gracias, Chile!

Kirby

If the rumours are true and Arsenal have gotten Vidal......it's an amazing capture.

MisterAnarchy

Kirby wrote: »

But he isnt.

He doesnt work as much off the ball as he used to. Thats a fact. You cant just shrug it off.

We can talk about the reason for such things as thats opinion. The fact that he doesnt work as hard isnt up for debate.

There is no doubt Messi doesnt work as hard as a few years ago but you'd think that he'd up his workrate for the final ,a one off match.
No need to be lazy ,he has a nice holiday to look forward to.

Pat Nevin just said international football is more technical than club level .
Whats he smoking ?

If the rumours are true and Arsenal have gotten Vidal......it's an amazing capture.

He isnt going to Arsenal ,that story was just fabricated like so many transfer stories nowadays.
He is reported to be going to Reakl Madrid now.

Talib Fiasco

Kirby wrote: »

If the rumours are true and Arsenal have gotten Vidal......it's an amazing capture.

If any team was to get him it would be the signing of the summer. If he can get his injuries under control again he'll be phenomenal.

efb

Dara Ó Briain
‏@daraobriain
Alexis Sanchez does a Penanka on the final penalty, in his national stadium, to end a 99 year trophy drought. The sheer massive cojones.

Andersonisgod

Anyway Chile deserve a tonne of credit, best organised side at the tournament by a mile, in comparison the Argentine team looked like it had all of the organisational preparation of a Sunday league team, I'd say it was a joke but it wasn't, it was another letdown from a federation who have gone out of their way to sabotage their greatest chances for success sine the Maradona days. It's not as though Argentina don't produce coaches, afterall 7 of the 8 coaches in the quarter finals hailed from Argentina. Chile's manager, Jorge Sampaoli, hails from Argentina. Yet Argentina employed Tata Martino and you know what you get with Tata, you get direct football, you get isolated attackers, you get negativity and the constant sense that your defensive structure is moments away from cracking in transitions. He's simply not suited to the job. His Paraguay side were very good at containing and counter attacking but that doesn't cut it with Argentina, when he needs to set up a proactive team he has been found wanting time and again. I could go on all day about Tata Martino and his managerial shortcomings but I wont. I will simply say, when the next Copa rolls around (next year) they must have a different manager in place, that's not an assessment based on tonights game only, that's an assessment based on an entire tournament.

All in all a pretty dour tournament with few goals, much playacting and a standard of refereeing so bad that if they some of them showed up in the park in the morning they'd be chased off the pitch.

Andersonisgod

Kirby wrote: »

But he isnt.

He doesnt work as much off the ball as he used to. Thats a fact. You cant just shrug it off.

We can talk about the reason for such things as thats opinion. The fact that he doesnt work as hard isnt up for debate.

Right lets go for it. What quantifies being a teamplayer? What are the criteria because I feel 100% safe (that's a pretty high percentage) that none of his Barcelona teammates would class him as anything but a model teamplayer.

Again I will say, his defensive stats are up big time this season. He retrieves the ball more, he intercepts more, he tackles more. Is he Luis Suarez or Pedro like in his closing down? No, but he will go and cover his wing back when the opposition go to play out and if he senses there's a real chance to win the ball he will go for it. However I don't believe that running around a lot is the only thing that counts towards being a team player.

Kirby

AIG stop moving those goalposts. They are heavy. You will hurt your back.

inforfun

Andersonisgod

Kirby wrote: »

AIG stop moving those goalposts. They are heavy. You will hurt your back.

Has somebody changed the meaning of that phrase and not told me? The debate was is Messi a teamplayer, that is what my post solely relates to and nothing else so I'm really confused now.

eagle eye

I don't think Martino is that bad but they should go out and get Ricardo Gareca now and give him time to get the Argies ready for 2018.

Gareca is a class manager and could easily come to Europe and be a success but I think he prefers to stay in South America and I'm sure he would jump at the chance to manage his own national team. He was brilliant at Velez Sarsfield and he has done a great job with Peru.

Pinturicchio

Kirby wrote: »

If the rumours are true and Arsenal have gotten Vidal

They're not.

efb

Pinturicchio wrote: »

They're not.

Would that they were

SlickRic

Messi wasn't great tonight by any means, but he had no hope in that system.

Long ball, lands at his feet, has 3 players on top of him. Rinse. Repeat.

To not even have the sense to play in a way that stretches Chile, but rather choose to isolate forward players as much as possible, and leave things mostly down to chance or a Messi miracle, well, it was mad to watch.

Credit to Chile, absolutely. I love that team. But Argentina were set up in such a disappointingly negative manner.