Copa América

GreNoLi

Argentina and Brazil have much the same approach when it comes to appointing managers that are sub standard compared to what their players are used to at club level but I can't see the Brazilian players mocking Dunga.

In saying that the clip sounds like it was dubbed over.

Andersonisgod

Headshot wrote: »

Seems Messi doesnt get on with most managers tbh.

He is far from whiter than white these days

He's the best footballer in the world, maybe the best player ever. He plays for one of the great clubs in Europe, where he has worked with some of the best managers, and he plays for one of the great footballing nations where he should, rightly, expect to have a manager of a high standard. Tata Martino is absolutely not that. It was summed up in that very game, at 2-1 with Paraguay starting to gain control of the match Tata takes off Aguero and Pastore (a midfielder) and throws on Tevez and Higuain (2 strikers) with Tevez on the left wing. It was a mess and they conceded the equaliser.

This Argentina side, with their massive quality and with Messi, should win this tournament the only thing that can stop them is Tata Martino.

eagle eye

Well that was just awful and after last night's game it was just such a letdown.

GreNoLi

What a gaffe by the keeper.

kfallon

Andersonisgod wrote: »

He's the best footballer in the world, maybe the best player ever. He plays for one of the great clubs in Europe, where he has worked with some of the best managers, and he plays for one of the great footballing nations where he should, rightly, expect to have a manager of a high standard. Tata Martino is absolutely not that. It was summed up in that very game, at 2-1 with Paraguay starting to gain control of the match Tata takes off Aguero and Pastore (a midfielder) and throws on Tevez and Higuain (2 strikers) with Tevez on the left wing. It was a mess and they conceded the equaliser.

This Argentina side, with their massive quality and with Messi, should win this tournament the only thing that can stop them is Tata Martino.

As a matter of interest what did you think of the can of coke story with Guardiola?

Shanotheslayer

Andersonisgod wrote: »

He's the best footballer in the world, maybe the best player ever. He plays for one of the great clubs in Europe, where he has worked with some of the best managers, and he plays for one of the great footballing nations where he should, rightly, expect to have a manager of a high standard. Tata Martino is absolutely not that. It was summed up in that very game, at 2-1 with Paraguay starting to gain control of the match Tata takes off Aguero and Pastore (a midfielder) and throws on Tevez and Higuain (2 strikers) with Tevez on the left wing. It was a mess and they conceded the equaliser.

This Argentina side, with their massive quality and with Messi, should win this tournament the only thing that can stop them is Tata Martino.

Head meet desk.

Corholio

Andersonisgod wrote: »

He's the best footballer in the world, maybe the best player ever. He plays for one of the great clubs in Europe, where he has worked with some of the best managers, and he plays for one of the great footballing nations where he should, rightly, expect to have a manager of a high standard. Tata Martino is absolutely not that. It was summed up in that very game, at 2-1 with Paraguay starting to gain control of the match Tata takes off Aguero and Pastore (a midfielder) and throws on Tevez and Higuain (2 strikers) with Tevez on the left wing. It was a mess and they conceded the equaliser.

This Argentina side, with their massive quality and with Messi, should win this tournament the only thing that can stop them is Tata Martino.

Argentina were genuinely poor in the last 20 minutes, before and after the subs. They had no one to blame but themselves for throwing that game away, players and manager included.

Andersonisgod

kfallon wrote: »

As a matter of interest what did you think of the can of coke story with Guardiola?

A story that Messi refutes and probably has no basis in reality.

Andersonisgod

Corholio wrote: »

Argentina were genuinely poor in the last 20 minutes, before and after the subs. They had no one to blame but themselves for throwing that game away, players and manager included.

I'm not at all convinced by Martino, a great manager makes changes that positively influence his team, Martino's only had a negative effect, how could anyone think taking Pastore off and throwing Tevez onto the left wing was ever going to be a good idea. In my opinion this guy is a joke.

kfallon

Andersonisgod wrote: »

A story that Messi refutes and probably has no basis in reality.

Did Guardiola refute it?

Charlie19

Great anthem that.

GreNoLi

Arg anthem muy cool.

Andersonisgod

kfallon wrote: »

Did Guardiola refute it?

Maybe, I don't know but I'm sure he never confirmed it either.

Atmosphere is rocking for this game tonight!

GreNoLi

Biglia a weak link.

Corholio

GreNoLi wrote: »

Biglia a weak link.

That side, along with Rojo, is pretty weak to be honest,

irishguitarlad

GreNoLi wrote: »

Biglia a weak link.

Banega should be there instead.

GreNoLi

Lovely ball.

Pinturicchio

I can see it being a classic whenever Chile and Argentina meet. Probably in the final.

GreNoLi

Brazilian ref must speak Spanish.

Shanotheslayer

We were spoiled last night.

Charlie19

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

We were spoiled last night.

This is still a good game but in a different kinda way.

GreNoLi

Yawn, Argentina unable to rise above it.

Pinturicchio

I thought that was a great first half.

Charlie19

Argentina with most of the chances but I think the best opportunity fell to uraguay.

Andersonisgod

It was an interesting half. Uruguay so content to simply hack the ball anywhere for about half an hour, Argentina became more frustrated and allowed Uruguay into the game more.

Messi frustrated with the service he is getting, annoyed at how slowly Argentina are moving the ball from side to side. He's having to drop ridiculously deep and yet he still conjured a couple of magic moments and his ability to break the line with incisive short passing from the center of the pitch is out of this world.

Also impressed with Pastore, fluffed his lines a couple of times but he's brilliant to watch and is finding spaces behind the Uruguay midfield line.

Pinturicchio

I think Ruud Gullit and Christian Vieri are drunk on BeIn Sports.

Corholio

Dull half. Argentina struggling to have any ideas how to break Uruguay down. Argentina defence poor on crosses, as is par for their course, especially with Garay there.

RobertKK

Aguero is getting better.

GreNoLi

Nice, great play from Pastore.

Andersonisgod

Brilliant goal! Aguero's finish is magnificent and shows great ingenuity, Zabaleta's driven cross is just right but it's Javier Pastore that makes that goal, such clever, brave work on the edge of the box makes that goal possible, its not surprising how much of a role he's played in the opening goal, the PSG playmaker has been terrific.

Andersonisgod

Messi turning up the heat in Chile.

-=al=-

The game is getting Messi now, Rolan the final whistle.

GreNoLi

Masherano is a likeable chap.

Kristopherus

What a miss by Rolan !!!!

Strumms

Some shenanigans and stuff but quite entertaining is this game... Red a bit lenient with the cards which might be a good thing all things considered

Turtwig

kfallon wrote: »

Messi and Di Maria caught mocking the half time teamtalk on Sunday, whether it was Tata Martino they were mocking or not nobody is sure:

Leo Messi: “What was he saying in the dressing room, some nonsense?”
Angel Di Maria: “That it won’t be an easy result”. (Both Laugh.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLESDJFcNU

Wasn't Messi at this in the World Cup, rumours of him not getting on with the manager, I think in the semi final he may have walked away from the huddle on the pitch with the manager during extra time tho I may be wrong on that.

Caution is advised here. The Madrid based media will stir up a rumour wherever they can. So too will some of the Argentinean media who hold Messi to a unrealistic pedestal. It's a cliche but there's nothing that the media loves more than turning the hero into the villain.

Messi is a very intelligent player and in Spain it's common place for coaches and players to discuss tactics. That's a good thing imo. As a manager cannot always see what the player does and vice versa. All too often the lay media see valid disagreements as dissent. It might be dissent in some cases, or even outright revolt. But then again it might not.

When there's believed to be story all other signs to the contrary are ignored. Case in point, Luis Enrique substituted Messi against Eibar. Despite the fact that Messi clearly gave Enrique a "thumbs up" that little detail was conveniently left out - and most English press were none the wiser. They just parroted the claims, like the media did with a fake scientific study investigating health benefits of chocolate.

Is that saying I don't believe Messi drank coca cola? No. I'm confident he did. I'm also confident himself and Enrique fell into a war path and if wasn't for Xavi Barca's treble would likely have been a naughty.

I am however always skeptical of video segments that purport to demonstrate something. We don't know the context. We don't know the authenticity or reliability. We don't know even know who's been spoken about. Too much speculation to make from sources I don't think should be considered reliable.

Tl;dr. There's an awful lot of distorted clap trap out there in attempt to denigrate Messi. Be wary of the reliability of the claims. Some of the claims about Messi are very likely true (the text, the coke, the furore at referee Enrique). Most though aren't.

Corholio

A decent set piece team would put a few past Argentina. Horrific at all sorts of crosses.

Lucas Hood

Vidal involved in a crash overnight & arrested for drink driving.

Pinturicchio

Vidal was arrested and will be charged. The Chilean FA and Sampaoli have decided he will stay in the squad for the tournament. He has tearfully apologised on TV.

Oat23

That's a nice message to send to the youth of Chile.

Pinturicchio

Yeah it's a highly questionable decision. On the other hand, he hasn't been found guilty of anything.

Corholio

If he is found to be the cause, it's an awful decision to let him stay in the squad. They could have at least said until an internal investigation was done or something.

Shanotheslayer

Corholio wrote: »

If he is found to be the cause, it's an awful decision to let him stay in the squad. They could have at least said until an internal investigation was done or something.

And ruin there best chances of winning the Copa? Never gonna happen

Corholio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

And ruin there best chances of winning the Copa? Never gonna happen

An awful decision in terms of doing the right thing I meant of course.

Oat23

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

And ruin there best chances of winning the Copa? Never gonna happen

Some things have to be more important than football, even in South America. I wouldn't feel as strongly about it if he had run into a checkpoint and blown over the limit, but he was so wasted he crashed his car. He could have killed someone.

Shanotheslayer

Corholio wrote: »

An awful decision in terms of doing the right thing I meant of course.

Although he is guilty and it will be proved. Could you imagine the outrage if they didn't play him and he was 'innocent'? There would be outrage. But I of course see where your coming.

Agent Coulson

Lucky he didn't kill himself or someone else.



http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/football/arturo-vidal-crash-chile-football/

Corholio

They wouldn't even have to exclude him definitely, just put something like 'until an internal investigation is concluded'. But just brazenly saying he'll play on before any sort of substantial look into it, innocent or guilty, was the wrong way to go about it.

GreNoLi

Let's hope that tonight's matches aren't car crashes.

GreNoLi

Only the one match tonight, cmon Brazil.