WWDC 2015 Thread + Links

banquo

Before the annual flood of "Where can I watch / follow WWDC" begins, here's the links and info.

Time
Today @ 6pm Irish time.

Live Streaming
Apple's Official Live Video Stream

You can stream it live from Safari on Mac or PC (think you've to install QuickTime on a PC with Safari, unsure), iPhone, iPad or Apple Tv.

For other browsers,

Live Blogs
1. The Verge
2. Re/Code
3. MacRumors
4. 9to5Mac
5. AppleInsider
6. cNet

Note: Most liveblogs don't have their pages set up yet, but check in from 4pm Irish time.

DubDJ

Also a list of some of the things expected to be announced later today.

12 things to expect at WWDC 2015.

A bit disappointed that the Apple TV won't be updated with the SDK and new hardware. I'm looking forward to the other stuff but it's something i've wanted for a good while and was the headline of the show for me.

Looking forward to later on, hope the stream is ok, last event was spot on for me.

banquo

Apple Store still up

Am I the only one not nearly as excited as usual for this year?

McGrath5

banquo wrote: »

Apple Store still

Am I the only one not nearly as excited as usual for this year?

Yeah, it looks to be a fairly quiet year.

banquo

Tick year for iOS, tock for OS X. ATV was all set for its own SDK, which I've been waiting for every year since 2011.

Also, leaks.

McGrath5

Will the rumoured Apple Music service be available outside of the US at launch?

banquo

Probably not, especially not in Ireland. We get everything last. I read somewhere that a lot of it has to do with tax reasons – because of their corporate status here, they can't do things like open an Apple Store. Might be other stuff they can't do either.

banquo

Walt Mossberg a minute ago:

"Since this room contains the world’s largest collection of Apple Watches, will everyone stand up en masse at 10 minutes before each hour?"

DubDJ

I've seen rumours saying they might actually have a massive rollout planned for the streaming service. So Ireland might actually get it sooner rather than later. We'll know soon enough though.

Sad Professor

I find it hard to believe Apple TV was ever seriously planned for WWDC. There’s only so much they can cover in 1-2 hours. Apple Music, iOS 9, OS 10.11 and watch stuff is enough.

banquo

Sad Professor wrote: »

I find it hard to believe Apple TV was ever seriously planned for WWDC. There’s only so much they can cover in 1-2 hours. Apple Music, iOS 9, OS 10.11 and watch stuff is enough.

Agreed. Tock year for iPhone, and won't be much to the next iPad (I imagine) with iOS9 being discussed today. Even with watch, ATV should fill out the autumn announcement nicely.

OU812

Apple Pay coming to the UK, I see Ulsterbank il listed, I wonder if We'll get it down south too

_Redzer_

Thank god that bitch shut up. Most irritating voice of the evening

naasrd

News; there goes Flipboard.

DubDJ

OS X was pretty small update wise, iOS 9 definitely the standout, especially proactive and multitasking on the iPad.

murpho999

banquo wrote: »

Probably not, especially not in Ireland. We get everything last. I read somewhere that a lot of it has to do with tax reasons – because of their corporate status here, they can't do things like open an Apple Store. Might be other stuff they can't do either.

This is not true at all and is an urban myth in my opinion.

Also we're by no means last to get stuff. Iphones we''re always 2nd tier of countries and iPads are also very quick.

Only late thing is stuff like Apple Radio and Apple Pay but that's due to licensing and banking issues, nothing at all to do with 'tax structures'

peteeeed

Apple music 9.99 a month . 14.99 a month for 6 family members . 30 June launch

https://twitter.com/beats1/status/607990881635827712


http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150608006468/en/Introducing-Apple-Music-%E2%80%94-Ways-Love-Music.#.VXXuvjuCOK0

Narcissus

Apple Music, meh

DubDJ

Apple music actually looks better than expected. Might try out the free trial, but no solid list of countries yet. Just a generic over 100 countries.

Sad Professor

I’m really looking forward to Apple Music. I’m subscribed to Spotify at the moment but the user experience is awful. Apple Music’s integration with my existing music library is enough to make me jump ship and the new Music app looks like a big improvement.

Over a 100 countries. I assume we’re one of them.

peteeeed

Sad Professor wrote: »

I’m really looking forward to Apple Music. I’m subscribed to Spotify at the moment but the user experience is awful. Apple Music’s integration with my existing music library is enough to make me jump ship and the new Music app looks like a big improvement.

Over a 100 countries. I assume we’re one of them.

I was impressed in theory by it all. 3 months free ill run it along side spotify and see how it goes

Zapp Brannigan

Spotify cancelled. Roll on Apple Music.

One consolidated library is the dream.

Sideshow Mark

banquo wrote: »

Probably not, especially not in Ireland. We get everything last. I read somewhere that a lot of it has to do with tax reasons – because of their corporate status here, they can't do things like open an Apple Store. Might be other stuff they can't do either.

IMRO is particullary aggressive, which doesn't help with the music stuff. Although Spotify works here so I don't see why Apple Music wouldn't. Perhaps the "live radio" aspect may be an issue.

Sad Professor

Apple fixed the shift key in iOS 9. When on/off, the keyboard now switches to lower or upper case. Basically the way it should have been to begin with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8tkM-scOrc

http://9to5mac.com/2015/06/08/ios-9-shift-key/

peteeeed

Anyone ready to shout ' beats one off ' into siri?

OU812

iCloud drive app

A new iCloud Drive setting in iOS 9 enables a hidden app that lets you manage your entire file library. You can find the setting at Settings > iCloud > iCloud Drive > Show on Home Screen. After activating it you’ll find a new icon on your home screen for the iCloud Drive application.

I wonder will they start increasing storage

9TO5

McGrath5

So, Apple Music will be a very similar service to Spotify? I thought the presentation on this was not very clear.

banquo

Anyone else get the feeling that Iovine was reading his script for the first time?

I think we hold Apple to a preposterously high bar these days, and the leaks make it easy to be underwhelmed. I'll totally get Apple Music, and some of the UI features (even if a couple were ripped from MS of all places, it's not like MS don't owe Apple majorly) are super.

bertie4evr

So is it safe to say we're not getting Apple Music on the 30th?

The UK, American, Japanese, etc. Apple sites have replaced the iPod section with Music. But the Irish site still has iPod and makes no mention of Music anywhere...

Sad Professor

Yeah, but there’s nothing about iOS 9, El Capitan or any of the WWDC announcements either. I think they just haven’t updated the Irish site yet.

nokia211

I contacted apple by email last night, we are NOT one of the countries. We will not be getting apple music. I feel like apple are neglecting Ireland lately. No Apple pay, no transit, no Apple music like come on

nokia211

I wonder will we get it at all in the near future, I'm doubtful

bertie4evr

nokia211 wrote: »

I contacted apple by email last night, we are NOT one of the countries. We will not be getting apple music. I feel like apple are neglecting Ireland lately. No Apple pay, no transit, no Apple music like come on

This is ridiculous. They have Ulster Bank signed up for Apple Pay, but no news of it here yet.

nokia211

bertie4evr wrote: »

This is ridiculous. They have Ulster Bank signed up for Apple Pay, but no news of it here yet.

I know for a well developed country, I still don't understand. We should have Apple pay along with the UK and Apple music. The Apple watch is still not available in Ireland. This is a bit ridiculous all right. I don't like how the U.S. Gets everything before we do

_Redzer_

If anything UK and Ireland should be grouped together all the time. Maybe omitting 1st tier device launches because we're too small, but for everything else we should be coupled.

murpho999

_Redzer_ wrote: »

If anything UK and Ireland should be grouped together all the time. Maybe omitting 1st tier device launches because we're too small, but for everything else we should be coupled.

Why? We are a separate country.

We have a separate banking system that would require different agreements with different banks.

Music and tv is also licensed here differently so that has to be negotiated as well.

Also this perception that Ireland has been left out has to stop. I have looked up countries like UK, Spain and Germany and see that they mention the keynote and music whilst websites for Ireland, Austria and Netherlands don't. So we're not the only ones or maybe the websites just have to be updated.

squonk

It'd be seriously bad if that's true. We're part of the EU which makes us pretty significant and we're also a satelite of Britain whihc makes the no apple music thing seem even sillier. Apple Pay I can kind of understand. There's deals and infrastructure to be rolled out and arranged with banks but the music app is just a long overdue major extension to iTunes.

Sad Professor

I’ll be very surprised if we aren’t in the first 100. Apple haven’t published a list yet or even an exact number, so deals are still being finalised. iTunes Match is available in about 115 countries, including Ireland. I’d imagine the list of Apple Music countries will be largely the same. If we’re not included it’s because there’s something holding it up and we’ll follow soon after.

murpho999

squonk wrote: »

It'd be seriously bad if that's true. We're part of the EU which makes us pretty significant and we're also a satelite of Britain whihc makes the no apple music thing seem even sillier. Apple Pay I can kind of understand. There's deals and infrastructure to be rolled out and arranged with banks but the music app is just a long overdue major extension to iTunes.

How are we a satellite of Britain?

nokia211

We are definitely not part of the 100 counties, I have emailed apple. We are just as significant as the other major eu countries such as UK, Germany France etc.
Apple pay may take time all right, but we should be a part of the 100 counties and the Apple watch should also be available to buy

murpho999

nokia211 wrote: »

We are definitely not part of the 100 counties, I have emailed apple. We are just as significant as the other major eu countries such as UK, Germany France etc.
Apple pay may take time all right, but we should be a part of the 100 counties and the Apple watch should also be available to buy

I would imagine that list is not finalised yet and there will be more info come June 30th.

Apple already have music here on offer so I can't see the issue with them streaming as Spotify do already.

nokia211

murpho999 wrote: »

I would imagine that list is not finalised yet and there will be more info come June 30th.

Apple already have music here on offer so I can't see the issue with them streaming as Spotify do already.

Let's just hope so! I wonder will the Apple watch be available

murpho999

nokia211 wrote: »

Let's just hope so! I wonder will the Apple watch be available

You can order that now in the UK and use Parcel motel.

DubDJ

nokia211 wrote: »

We are definitely not part of the 100 counties, I have emailed apple. We are just as significant as the other major eu countries such as UK, Germany France etc.
Apple pay may take time all right, but we should be a part of the 100 counties and the Apple watch should also be available to buy

Unless you got a reply from somebody pretty high up in Apple I wouldn't take that reply too seriously.

I'm finding more and more Ireland are being left out of the fold, Apple Watch as a recent example. It's difficult to get the deals in place but I still hope Apple will have music for Ireland on launch.

Anybody else feel iOS is becoming full of bloatware? Now added to the pre-installed app list are Find my iPhone and Find my Friends. News will replace newsstand, iCloud Drive (which can be hidden) and I don't know if the rumoured "Home" app will be added or not in the final builds. It's really getting annoying, improvements to managing this is fairly up the top of my iOS wish list of features.

Sad Professor

Apple want a 100 million subscribers by the end of the year, so it’s in their interest to get Apple Music to as many countries as possible, no matter how small the market. Having said that, the IMRO blocked the launch of the European iTunes Store in Ireland in 2004, so it’s not out of the question that they’ll do it again. But at most it’ll probably result in a delay of a few months.

Sad Professor

DubDJ wrote: »

Anybody else feel iOS is becoming full of bloatware? Now added to the pre-installed app list are Find my iPhone and Find my Friends. News will replace newsstand, iCloud Drive (which can be hidden) and I don't know if the rumoured "Home" app will be added or not in the final builds. It's really getting annoying, improvements to managing this is fairly up the top of my iOS wish list of features.

Many of these apps are so integrated into the system that they are features of the OS, not apps. This is especially true of Find My iPhone and, since iOS 8, Find My Friends as well. There should be an option to hide some of them on the homescreen certainly, but I don't consider them bloatware.

DubDJ

Sad Professor wrote: »

Many of these apps are so integrated into the system that they are features of the OS, not apps. This is especially true of Find My iPhone and, since iOS 8, Find My Friends as well. There should be an option to hide some of them on the homescreen certainly, but I don't consider them bloatware.

Find my iPhone lives in the settings app though, the bundled one is just for tracking so doubt it's in any way important. Same with Find my Friends, I haven't even got it installed and it has no affect on me.

I think apps should he split into core to iOS and extras. Core apps like Phone, Messages, Safari Camera etc should be there. But extra apps like Stocks, Tips, iBooks, News and the above mentioned should be in the AppStore as an optional download if you actually want them. Many were in the past, so I don't understand the change to forcing users to use apps a lot won't want.

I think most people now have a folder on iOS full of pre-installed apps they don't use and have no interest in. It gets bigger every year with more apps that can't be removed.

Sad Professor

The problem is where do you draw the line between core and extras? Find My Friends has become so integrated into Messages that it can probably now be considered a core app. Having Find My iPhone as a downloadable app created a lot of confusion - many people think installing it is necessary to enable Find My iPhone. And if you make iBooks an installable app, then why not Music as well?

This issue of apps on the home screen that you don’t use is tied into the issue of whether Apple should allow you to change the default browser, email, camera, maps app, etc. There are former Android users for example who hate all Apple software and would rather use third party alternatives for everything.

Personally I have no problem just throwing these unused apps in a folder and forgetting about them. A few extra icons somewhere doesn’t equal bloat, not yet anyway. But Apple will need to find a balance.

DubDJ

Sad Professor wrote: »

The problem is where do you draw the line between core and extras? Find My Friends has become so integrated into Messages that it can probably now be considered a core app. Having Find My iPhone as a downloadable app created a lot of confusion - many people think installing it is necessary to enable Find My iPhone. And if you make iBooks an installable app, then why not Music as well?

This issue of apps on the home screen that you don’t use is tied into the issue of whether Apple should allow you to change the default browser, email, camera, maps app, etc. There are former Android users for example who hate all Apple software and would rather use third party alternatives for everything.

Personally I have no problem just throwing these unused apps in a folder and forgetting about them. A few extra icons somewhere doesn’t equal bloat, not yet anyway. But Apple will need to find a balance.

I think Apple could/will be deciding which apps are core to the experience. Off the top of my head, Tips, Stocks, Voice Recorder, FmyiP, FmyF, iBooks, News, Remote, Compass, Game Centre and Podcasts could all be moved to the App Store separately. Most of them were there to begin with.

Then have the main apps built into the OS. There's more benefits to this, obviously saving space on devices, the AppStore apps can be updated independently of the OS and if you prefer a third party version (which are usually more powerful) you have that choice.

I personally think it's the much better route to go.

Zcott

I'd say Stocks is probably the most despised app, because I don't know anyone that actually uses it. However, the fact that iCloud Drive has - in beta - a toggle to show and hide the app means that Apple are ok with this idea of hiding apps. I'm happy with built-in apps, but I just want to hide a few of them that I don't use, and probably won't ever use.

peteeeed

nokia211 wrote: »

We are definitely not part of the 100 counties, I have emailed apple. We are just as significant as the other major eu countries such as UK, Germany France etc.
Apple pay may take time all right, but we should be a part of the 100 counties and the Apple watch should also be available to buy

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