***2015 LC Irish Paper 1 - Higher Level - June 8th***

DarraghF197

pandoraj09 wrote: »

What was the gearrsceal anyone please???

I think it was proudness and far away the hills are green.

pandoraj09

Thanks!!!

JimLarkin101

pandoraj09 wrote: »

What was the gearrsceal anyone please???

Pride (Bród)
The grass is always greener on the other side. (Is glas iad na cnoic i bhfad uainn )

Lc2015123

I also done the Education System debate. I always thought in a debate you could agree or disagree, would that be correct?

I mosty disagreed but i did talk about why some people would say it is a good system? Can somebody please clarify before i take a heart attack

Magnate

Lc2015123 wrote: »

I also done the Education System debate. I always thought in a debate you could agree or disagree, would that be correct?

I mosty disagreed but i did talk about why some people would say it is a good system? Can somebody please clarify before i take a heart attack

Well first of all it was a talk not a debate, so if you used a debate introduction addressing the opposition etc you're gonna lose your marks for style, but it's only worth 5 marks I believe.

The general consensus seems to be that in a talk/speech you're free to address both sides of the argument, but I would assume that it's also okay to only focus on one.

Lc2015123

Magnate wrote: »

Well first of all it was a talk not a debate, so if you used a debate introduction addressing the opposition etc you're gonna lose your marks for style, but it's only worth 5 marks I believe.

The general consensus seems to be that in a talk/speech you're free to address both sides of the argument, but I would assume that it's also okay to only focus on one.

Thank you for replying so quickly!

I basically started off by saying "dia duit radio na gaeilge, conas ata tu?" And was saying that i have the LC coming up and i think it would be a good idea to talk about it today on the radio. I mostly disagreed with it but kept addressing the listeners, and also gave reasons to why some people would think its a good system but concluded that in my opinion its to academic overall.

It was my first time doing this as i always do the aiste but had a really good aiste for coras oidechais learned off and it didnt come up. Seems i was lucky to get a talk and not a debate because i dont even know the layout. What is the marking scheme for section C

Anonymagician

Seems like lots of people didn't realise the flexibility of the scéalta móra. It was a very generous title imo and the education system, health system, terrorism, racism, old people, young people, water charges, politics, media etc could all have been talked about in it!

Magnate

Lc2015123 wrote: »

Thank you for replying so quickly!

I basically started off by saying "dia duit radio na gaeilge, conas ata tu?" And was saying that i have the LC coming up and i think it would be a good idea to talk about it today on the radio. I mostly disagreed with it but kept addressing the listeners, and also gave reasons to why some people would think its a good system but concluded that in my opinion its to academic overall.

It was my first time doing this as i always do the aiste but had a really good aiste for coras oidechais learned off and it didnt come up. Seems i was lucky to get a talk and not a debate because i dont even know the layout. What is the marking scheme for section C

The breakdown is 5 marks for the correct format, 15 for staying on task and keeping it relevant to the question then 80 marks for your wealth of Irish, grammar, vocab etc. etc.

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

Lc2015123

Magnate wrote: »

The breakdown is 5 marks for the correct format, 15 for staying on task and keeping it relevant to the question then 80 marks for your wealth of Irish, grammar, vocab etc. etc.

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

Ah crap 😂 thanks a mill for the info. Ill sleep tonight

Lc2015123

Anonymagician wrote: »

Seems like lots of people didn't realise the flexibility of the scéalta móra. It was a very generous title imo and the education system, health system, terrorism, racism, old people, young people, water charges, politics, media etc could all have been talked about in it!

I didnt understand that question which now looking at it makes me sick because if i wasnt so nervous i would have figured it out in a second and could of put 2 A1 essays together. At least i got to use one of them. If i hadn't and came out and heard what the title meant i neber would have gotten over it

DarraghF197

Magnate wrote: »

The breakdown is 5 marks for the correct format, 15 for staying on task and keeping it relevant to the question then 80 marks for your wealth of Irish, grammar, vocab etc. etc.

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

I still wonder how that marking scheme works. I've come up with one way: if one gets relevance of 13/15, and say the Irish standard is 75/80, then the marks you would get for the standard of irish would be 13/15x75/80, which is 65/80.

Otherwise, anyone could write a random essay out and get 85/100 without it being in any way related to the question.

randylonghorn

Magnate wrote: »

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

Yeah, I really doubt they will worry too much about whether people say "with the exams now over" or "as we face into our exams" tbh.

Magnate

DarraghF197 wrote: »

I still wonder how that marking scheme works. I've come up with one way: if one gets relevance of 13/15, and say the Irish standard is 75/80, then the marks you would get for the standard of irish would be 13/15x75/80, which is 65/80.

Otherwise, anyone could write a random essay out and get 85/100 without it being in any way related to the question.

I'd assume it works the same way as English, on a tiered marking scheme. So yeah if you only got 5/15 for purpose (33%) I'd say you could get 33 percent of the 80 marks max, (26m)

DarraghF197

Magnate wrote: »

I'd assume it works the same way as English, on a tiered marking scheme. So yeah if you only got 5/15 for purpose (33%) I'd say you could get 33 percent of the 80 marks max, (26m)

Oh yeah, didn't think of English! That does make sense, a lot nicer than my system for sure! Hopefully I won't get docked too much marks for showing both sides of the Education System.

Lc2015123

DarraghF197 wrote: »

Oh yeah, didn't think of English! That does make sense, a lot nicer than my system for sure! Hopefully I won't get docked too much marks for showing both sides of the Education System.

I done the same and was told because it wasnt a debate per say, it was a talk you were open to talk about both sides

Bsd

I fully disagreed with oideachais oraid and asked a couple of teachers after and they said thats alright. It an oraid you can agree or disagree as much as you want

Lc2015123

Bsd wrote: »

I fully disagreed with oideachais oraid and asked a couple of teachers after and they said thats alright. It an oraid you can agree or disagree as much as you want

Thank God

Bsd

Also people who said they got 0 in the pre for doing that, i fully diagreed in the pre as well with a title almost the exact same and it was an oraid and i got 77

Magnate

Bsd wrote: »

Also people who said they got 0 in the pre for doing that, i fully diagreed in the pre as well with a title almost the exact same and it was an oraid and i got 77

Yeah I'd say it was lazy correcting more than anything.

mun_ster45

I did the "scealta mora" question and only wrote about coras oideachais and why it is a big issue in the news today, referring to how it makes the alcohol problem worse amougnst teenagers and how sport is an issue for teenagers because of the C.O. Would I lose many marks? only realised after the exam that it was plural of sceal!!

maude6868

Irish essays are marked ad rem, meaning only what is pertinent and relevant, it's a bit like purpose in English. This is to stop the learned off scealta etc. You are marked on only what is relevant to the title. I would imagine that radio talk could discuss both sides of the topic.

Bah_Humbug

Dyou think i'll get the place name Gleann Colm Cille when I wrote "Glaon Colm Cille" ? Every mark counts

Trekker47

Bah_Humbug wrote: »

Dyou think i'll get the place name Gleann Colm Cille when I wrote "Glaon Colm Cille" ? Every mark counts

I'd imagine so, just as long as it's close enough to be recognisable.