Worst Irish summer ?

sryanbruen

OldRio wrote: »

I wonder, can you tell me the distance in miles/kilometers from Grange to Ballinamore in Leitrim ?
In other words the weather in 'Grange' is somewhat different to the weather not just in Ballinamore but the rest of the country.

106 miles and 170km. Do you want me to give ya the exact values of sunshine on each of those days?

OldRio

sryanbruen wrote: »

106 miles and 170km. Do you want me to give ya the exact values of sunshine on each of those days?

Not interested in Grange but in Leitrim yes please.

sryanbruen

OldRio wrote: »

Not interested in Grange but in Leitrim yes please.

I can estimate only for Leitrim since I don't work there. Here are your estimates on each of those days

7th June - 14 hours
8th June - 15 hours
9th June - 14 hours
10th June - 14 hours
23rd June - 1 hour
30th June - 0 hours
3rd July - 7 hours
12th August - 9 hours
13th August - 10 hours
14th August - 8 hours
18th August - 6 hours
20th August - 3 hours
21st August - 3 hours

OldRio

sryanbruen wrote: »

I can estimate only for Leitrim since I don't work there. Here are your estimates on each of those days

7th June - 14 hours
8th June - 15 hours
9th June - 14 hours
10th June - 14 hours
23rd June - 1 hour
30th June - 0 hours
3rd July - 7 hours
12th August - 9 hours
13th August - 10 hours
14th August - 8 hours
18th August - 6 hours
20th August - 3 hours
21st August - 3 hours

Estimate ?
I understand you do not work here but to estimate an entire county just seems so so wrong.

sryanbruen

OldRio wrote: »

Estimate ?
I understand you do not work here but to estimate an entire county just seems so so wrong.

I was estimating using my interactive satellites as well as Met Éireann's summaries - in which you can check out the closest station to your place on the graph which is Belmullet in Mayo. Other stations on the graph include Valentia Observatory and Dublin Airport. It isn't so wrong. You asked for your sunshine totals on those days, I gave you them? I can't give exact values cause I don't work there! I can't say it any simpler.

sryanbruen

In this excel attachment you can see Grange's rainfall totals (rounded to nearest unit) since 1993 though I am still working on the rest. Do you recall any bad Summers using these rainfall totals?

Cantona's Collars

Rain of biblical proportions here in Enniscorthy now,chutes on the houses can't even handle the water off the roofs.So much for the Sunny South East.

OldRio

sryanbruen wrote: »

I was estimating using my interactive satellites as well as Met Éireann's summaries - in which you can check out the closest station to your place on the graph which is Belmullet in Mayo. Other stations on the graph include Valentia Observatory and Dublin Airport. It isn't so wrong. You asked for your sunshine totals on those days, I gave you them? I can't give exact values cause I don't work there! I can't say it any simpler.

No you did not. You gave an estimate. An estimate from Belmullet. Valentia and Dublin Airport? For Leitrim.

The June figures you quote are to put it mildly, embarrassing.

sryanbruen

OldRio wrote: »

No you did not. You gave an estimate. An estimate from Belmullet. Valentia and Dublin Airport? For Leitrim.

The June figures you quote are to put it mildly, embarrassing.

I did, noticed I said after it NOT EXACT VALUES. Plus how are the June figures embarrassing? The period 7th-10th was very sunny everywhere.

Elmer Blooker

OldRio wrote: »

Not interested in Grange but in Leitrim yes please.

Maybe try looking up Mount Dillon if you're in south Leitrim or Markree if you're in north Leitrim, it should be reasonably accurate for your area.
EDIT: Mt Dillon and Markree don't do sunshine totals I've just found out

sryanbruen

See the attachment below of June 2015's sunshine totals (estimated to nearest hour) at Ireland's synoptic stations.

sryanbruen

The following attachments are showing the rainfall and sunshine at Ireland's synoptic stations in June 2012 which was one of the worst SUMMER months I've ever seen.

Oneiric 3

sryanbruen wrote: »

These are all the very sunny days (10 hours or more) Grange recorded this Summer:

7th June
8th June
9th June
10th June
23rd June
30th June
3rd July
12th August
13th August
14th August
18th August
20th August
21st August

Always great stats Syranbruen, but stats from the Dublin area mean very little to those of us in the west and northwest. You are not comparing like with like. Sunshine and rainfall totals can be vastly different between east and west, even over a small island like ours.


OldRio, I would recommend looking at sunshine totals from Knock Apt to get an rough idea for your region as the north Mayo climate would be roughly similar to that of Leitrim.

sryanbruen

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Always great stats Syranbruen, but stats from the Dublin area mean very little to those of us in the west and northwest. You are not comparing like with like. Sunshine and rainfall totals can be vastly different between east and west, even over a small island like ours.


OldRio, I would recommend looking at sunshine totals from Knock Apt to get an rough idea for your region as the north Mayo climate would be roughly similar to that of Leitrim.

Then look at my attachments for Summer 2015's sunshine and rainfall totals

Oneiric 3

sryanbruen wrote: »

Then look at my attachments for Summer 2015's sunshine and rainfall totals

It is interesting that July's sunshine totals were the dullest since 1986 as this year too had an unusually long consecutive run of cooler than average months which, similar to this year, may have been due to the cooler than average SSTs in the North Atlantic. One difference between 1986 and this year is that 1986 saw more extremes of cold temperatures; 2015 on the other-hand, while consistently cool, has saw a remarkable lack deeply cold temps (so far at least!)

sryanbruen

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

It is interesting that July's sunshine totals were the dullest since 1986 as this year too had an unusually long consecutive run of cooler than average months which, similar to this year, may have been due to the cooler than average SSTs in the North Atlantic. One difference between 1986 and this year is that 1986 saw more extremes of cold temperatures; 2015 on the other-hand, while consistently cool, has saw a remarkable lack deeply cold temps (so far at least!)

Exactly what I was saying to everybody! 2015 is comparable to 2014! Every month in 2014 was warmer than normal (exception of August at least here) and every month of 2015 so far is colder than normal but both years have no extremes. Though May and July of this year are both my second coldest of the respective month. Yeah due to the El Nino scenario we could be in for a Winter like 2009 / 10 and strangely this Winter has the same calendar (with the exception of February which has an extra day).

sryanbruen

I counted 1985 btw in the mean temperature document because Schadenfreudia asked for my 1985 mean temperatures (which in this case are Baldoyle-Donaghmede's which was closed in 1986 when Grange's records began). So 1985 doesn't count as one of Grange's recorded years. See my mean temperatures for 1986 and 2015 though in the attachment below.

Schadenfreudia

sryanbruen wrote: »

I was estimating using my interactive satellites as well as Met Éireann's summaries - in which you can check out the closest station to your place on the graph which is Belmullet in Mayo. Other stations on the graph include Valentia Observatory and Dublin Airport. It isn't so wrong. You asked for your sunshine totals on those days, I gave you them? I can't give exact values cause I don't work there! I can't say it any simpler.

Wow, impressive.

But you couldn't estimate for the sunshine here in Kilternan, for example, or Infamous Arklow, which can be very anomalous when the wind is from a westerly direction (or indeed an easterly in not-a-good-way!) - but the prevailing wind is SW to NW.

So if the man from Leitrim lives E of some high hills he'd....actually.... he'd be in Cavan!

Schadenfreudia

sryanbruen wrote: »

See the attachment below of June 2015's sunshine totals (estimated to nearest hour) at Ireland's synoptic stations.

Given the huge variation on this island due to the interaction of prevailing wind with topography that is a miserably poor sunshine-recording system, now that I think of it.

sryanbruen

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Given the huge variation on this island due to the interaction of prevailing wind with orthography that is a miserably poor sunshine-recording system, now that I think of it.

Well I just copied it from Met Éireann because I only record Grange's sunshine totals.

Schadenfreudia

sryanbruen wrote: »

Well I just copied it from Met Éireann because I only record Grange's sunshine totals.

Not criticising you!

It's ME I'm thinking of......

All these claims of the "sunniest since....", "dullest since.....", "sunniest day was in...." etc.

All based on three near-coastal station?

sryanbruen

Bump!

1991 was a very average Summer I recall and is definitely a forgettable one?

sryanbruen

Was 1982 a bad, good or average Summer?

Sam Kade

1863
Op you need to have a timeframe

Sam Kade

sryanbruen wrote: »

Was 1982 a bad, good or average Summer?

1981 was a wash out 1982 was a great summer.

sryanbruen

Sam Kade wrote: »

1981 was a wash out 1982 was a great summer.

Are u sure 1982 was a good summer 'cause the two following were good summers {1983 and 1984} before the infamous period of exceptionally poor summers from 1985 - 1988?

Sam Kade

sryanbruen wrote: »

Are u sure 1982 was a good summer 'cause the two following were good summers {1983 and 1984} before the infamous period of exceptionally poor summers from 1985 - 1988?

1983 was very bad up to the end of June July was a scorcher that year. 1982 in Cork was a great summer we bought a baler that year and I was kept going all summer baling hay with it.

RobertKK

2012.
For the months of June July and August, I had 409mm of rain.

My rainfall record was for June 2012 until December happened.

sryanbruen

To put Grange's worst summers, we need to list the top 5 worst summers in each weather element

Top 5 coolest summers

1. 2011 (11.9c)
2. 1986 (12.1c)
3. 2015 (12.2c)
4. 1988 / 2012 (12.8c)
5. 2002 (12.9c)

Top 5 wettest summers

1. 2012 (363mm)
2. 2007 (361mm)
3. 2008 (359mm)
4. 1986 (327mm)
5. 1997 (263mm)

Top 5 dullest summers

1. 1986 (346 hours)
2. 2002 (347 hours)
3. 1987 (351 hours)
4. 1994 (370 hours)
5. 2005 (402 hours)

So according to these statistics, the confirmed worst summers for Grange as follows

1. 1986
2. 2012
3. 2002
4. 1987
5. 2008

sryanbruen

I would like to update on this.

My dullest Summer months

1. August 2008 - 79 hours
2. August 2002 - 85 hours
3. August 2011 - 91 hours
4. August 2006 - 94 hours
5. July 1986 - 96 hours
6. July 2002 - 104 hours
7. August 1994 - 108 hours
8. July 2015 - 110 hours
9. August 1986 - 117 hours
10. August 2013 - 119 hours

My wettest Summer months

1. August 2008 - 183.1mm
2. June 2012 - 182.2mm
3. August 2014 - 171.4mm
4. August 1986 - 168.7mm
5. July 2009 - 163.9mm
6. June 2007 - 135.5mm
7. June 1997 - 126.4mm
8. June 1993 - 121.2mm (about 101.1mm of that on the 11th)
9. July 2007 - 117.6mm
10. June 1998 - 113.5mm

My coldest Summer months

1. August 1986 - 9.7c (exceptionally cold!!!!)
2. June 1991 - 10.3c
3. June 2011 - 11.1c
4. June 1987 - 11.2c
5. June 2012 - 11.3c
6. June 1999 & 2015 - 11.6c
7. June 1998 & August 2011 - 11.7c
8. June 2002 & August 2014 - 11.8c
9. July 1988 & June 2001 - 11.9c
10. June 1990 & August 2015 - 12.1c

Results show that the top two worst Summer months in my records are August 1986 & 2008.