What should Ireland have?

Yurt2

psinno wrote: »

They also have twice the GDP Ireland does.

Bilbao then, smaller city than Dublin, probably no where near where Dublin is in economic output.

We're allowed have nice things too you know.

I wonder is it our austere beetroot and cabbage fed upbringings that makes us think we cant dream big.

'Them fancy under the ground railroad carriages aren't for us, we don't deserve such things. All them bad things we've done, we shouldn't be having proper transport'

Hazys

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Seafood resetaurants.

Seafood takeaways by the sea side.

Seafood generally.

We are an island. Why is seafood so expensive, and why is it not part of our history?

I read a book on medieval history once which showed that Ireland has never had a fond relationship with seafood, not even after food preservation techniques were acquired.

Skibbereen was a mortality black-spot during the Great Famine. 10,000 bodies are buried in its famine cemetary, despite the fact that the fish were jumping out of the river and conditions were suitable for fishing.

Why does Ireland not have a seafood culture?

"You will pay the price if you are a hussy eater" - Alan Partridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3gfjpcgZmw

Yurt2

The Globalization and World Cities Research Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city0) rank Dublin as an Alpha minus global city alongside places like Melbourne, Boston, Taipei, Prague and Atlanta. Not bad company. And It's ahead of places like Rome, Vancouver and Tel Aviv. It's nonsense to suggest that Dublin couldn't support a metro. It would make it such a much more livable place and would spur on further economic growth like never before.

pajor

Jonti wrote: »

Milo is available here. The Chinese Supermarket at the top of Henry Street in Limerick has plenty of it.

Mr Bells in The English Market has it too.

L'Enfer du Nord

Yurt! wrote: »

Bilbao then, smaller city than Dublin, probably no where near where Dublin is in economic output.

We're allowed have nice things too you know.

I wonder is it our austere beetroot and cabbage fed upbringings that makes us think we cant dream big.

'Them fancy under the ground railroad carriages aren't for us, we don't deserve such things. All them bad things we've done, we shouldn't be having proper transport'

Visiting various European cities with Irish people I've actually noticed a marked reluctance to use public transport, undergrounds in particular. This is medium sized cities like Vienna, Budapest, Marsielles rather than London, Paris where you have no choice really.

SpatialPlanning

Political transparency - politicians who are held accountable for their actions and lose their jobs for poor performance.
A move away from party politics.
More interconnected public transport with fully integrated ticketing.
Pedestrianised urban centres with high permeability for both pedestrians and cyclists. Also, cycle lane integration with all new and upgraded routes.
A developed marine tourism network (getting better at this).
Free WiFi in urban centres.
Chipotle.
Planning regulations stating that rooftops in urban areas must have alternative purposes (eco friendly). Rooftops are probably the biggest wastes of space in cities.
Paternity leave.
Less xenophobia.

For Forks Sake

Rabbo wrote: »

I vote for much much lower taxes and much much more services

To the Magic Money Tree with you!

Cody montana

Greggs Bakery...tragically.

Mr_Muffin

I am not from Dublin but isn't the Luas supposed to be just like an metro only overground?

IrishWandering

High-rise buildings, a new national airline (before Ryanair gets in) and a government that somewhat cares for their citizens.

BoJack Horseman

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

I am not from Dublin but isn't the Luas supposed to be just like an metro only overground?

Dublin has a metro running along its coastline (bafflingly forgotton in this thread).

Luas was not supposed to be a metro substitute..... But it does what it can.

stehyl15

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Dublin has a metro running along its coastline (bafflingly forgotton in this thread).

I assume your talking about the DART which is not a metro it is suburban rail not an underground metro as it shares track with intercity, regional and freight trains

stehyl15

IrishWandering wrote: »

High-rise buildings, a new national airline (before Ryanair gets in) and a government that somewhat cares for their citizens.

So putting people up in tiny squats is caring for citizens

darkpagandeath

Monorail....

dammit beaten to it..

SMJSF

Wal-Mart.
Macy's.
Sears.
Target.
Never been to America, but it sounds like shops I'd love!

Sepora.

John Lewis.

Not a NSA agent

More all you can eat places.

bur

A motorway for the west of Ireland.

Wouldn't lead directly to Dublin though so, you know, why bother.

Wompa1

Decent healthcare /thread

Bayberry

Yurt! wrote: »

Them fancy under the ground railroad carriages aren't for us, we don't deserve such things. All them bad things we've done, we shouldn't be having proper transport'

If you want to have that sort of stuff in Dublin, you'll have to start electing Dubliners to the Dáil. When the Minister for Transport is from Roscommon or Limerick, the priorities are going to be different.

mikemac1

Bayberry wrote: »

If you want to have that sort of stuff in Dublin, you'll have to start electing Dubliners to the Dáil. When the Minister for Transport is from Roscommon or Limerick, the priorities are going to be different.

The minister for transport is from Dublin

Paschal Donohue

And before him was the bould Leo Vardakar and Pat Carey

Before that the Minister for Snow Noel Dempsey was from Meath so not far away

It's not like there are no Dubs in the cabinet!

keeponhurling

dlouth15 wrote: »

We could do with a higher standard of population. Abroad the people tend to be superior.

We could do with a higher standard of trolling as well

Wurzelbert

Bayberry wrote: »

If you want to have that sort of stuff in Dublin, you'll have to start electing Dubliners to the Dáil. When the Minister for Transport is from Roscommon or Limerick, the priorities are going to be different.

things like an underground metro system should be each city’s responsibility, not something a national government would discuss...

Realt Dearg Sec

Wurzelbert wrote: »

things like an underground metro system should be each city’s responsibility, not something a national government would discuss...

That's another thing we should have, actual local and civic government.

Valetta

Wurzelbert wrote: »

things like an underground metro system should be each city’s responsibility, not something a national government would discuss...

Just pay for?

Wurzelbert

Valetta wrote: »

Just pay for?

well, no, the city should, possibly with some state support...and the whole thing would be „part funded by the eu“ anyway...

Realt Dearg Sec

Valetta wrote: »

Just pay for?

If we had a local system of government we could reasonably have a local system of taxation as well (as well as a presumably smaller state income tax than what we have now). There would be a greater sense of personal control over how one's tax money was being spent, and a much better sense of the benefits that accrue to everyone as citizens. The local politicians would be more accountable for how they spent money, since there wouldn't be the sense (which we clearly have now) that anything they spend was finagled from the government anyway, and isn't it about time we had a few bob from that shower up in Dublin.

Meanwhile Dublin could go about developing its infrastructure in a rational and sensible way. Step one for me would be creating a single, centralised Dublin local government, instead of the four of them or whatever it is we have now, with an elected mayor at the centre of it. That would go a long way towards turning Dublin into a world-class city.

vangoz

How about we start with a train that goes from the city center to the Airport

Wurzelbert

vangoz wrote: »

How about we start with a train that goes from the city center to the Airport

yes, that should be the main priority...

topper75

323 wrote: »

For preserving mainly used smoking, salting and pickling. Many of the fishing and preserving techniques were actually introduced to Scotland from Ireland in the 1700's.
As A Tyrant Named Miltiades! said we did have a fishing industry. Quite a lucrative one too, as far back as the 18th century. Intiatives were first setup in the mid 1700's to develop fishing, buildings, training, subsidies for exports and levies on imported fish products, etc
It did have periods ups and down though for various reasons, cycles of fish stocks, emigration and various uprisings.

Look around the coast and islands and you can still find the old stone smoking houses. Lots of old photos around harbor pubs still from the mid 1800's showing the stacks of thousands of barrels of herring and spratt (pilchard) and other fish, sailing ships in the harbors taking these products abroad, to the continent and the USA.

We have the best fishing grounds in the world, bar none. Why we never developed it properly after independence? then gave it away? Same reasons we scrapped what was then the most advanced public transport/tram system in the world, rather than develop it further or even take it underground.
Plus some of the other things we should have in Ireland but don't.
Political incompetence, shortsightedness and cronyism ?? I dono

All news to me I have to confess. I'm intrigued now. How did they pickle - with vinegar? Where did they source that? Where did they get the salt? I know of no salt mines or evaporation beds on our coast? Can you give me an example of one of these smoke houses on our coast or one of our islands? Or indeed an instance of a photo in a harbour pub with these ships stocked with fish for export? I'd be very intrigued if they were smoking fish with wood when people could only use turf for cabin fires. I think the fact remains that for a poverty-stricken, cabin-dwelling peasant in the 1840s fish are not a realistic second option after potato failure. You may be getting in a boat alright - but a big one and not coming back.
No British or Irish govt levied the purchase of fishing boats so why was there no entrepreneurial take-up if we had 'the best fishing grounds in the world'? You initially seemed to offer answers in your post but I only have additional questions now.

harry Bailey esq

Monorail.

Wurzelbert

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Monorail.

yeah, or maybe even a maglev train from the airport via connolly and pearse to heuston or so...

Yurt2

Someone mentioned Costco. Hells to the yeah. It would kill off so many retailers and the likes of Musgraves would have a sh*tfit so certain interest groups would not allow it. Them wagon wheel sized pizzas tho'.

joe swanson

Ogalo and oporto.

Both extremely delicious Portugese chicken fast food.


Yum

Was in australia

Idbatterim

we should have an airforce capable of defending our air space. The cost of this per annum would run the country for all of several minutes...

stehyl15

joe swanson wrote: »

Ogalo and oporto.

Both extremely delicious Portugese chicken fast food.


Yum

Was in australia

Nandos basically

Rhys Essien

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Seafood resetaurants.

Seafood takeaways by the sea side.

Seafood generally.

We are an island. Why is seafood so expensive, and why is it not part of our history?

I read a book on medieval history once which showed that Ireland has never had a fond relationship with seafood, not even after food preservation techniques were acquired.

Skibbereen was a mortality black-spot during the Great Famine. 10,000 bodies are buried in its famine cemetary, despite the fact that the fish were jumping out of the river and conditions were suitable for fishing.

Why does Ireland not have a seafood culture?

The British controlled the fishing.A licence was needed.And if you could afford that you then needed the gear.
Poaching either hunting or fishing was a hanging offence.

Lukker-

A big monument in the shape of a needle.

MRnotlob606

Spending a bigger percentage of our GDP on defence.

Rhys Essien

Rhys Essien wrote: »

The British controlled the fishing.A licence was needed.And if you could afford that you then needed the gear.
Poaching either hunting or fishing was a hanging offence.

I am aware of the ban on poaching, which by the time of the famine, had been considerably relaxed. Very few, if any, men were hanged for taking fish at that time. In any event, as I went on to say...

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm not talking about helping themselves. I'm asking why the resource was not exploited, or where it was, why it was not availed of. Even Cecil Woodham Smith, although she was critical of the British establishment in her book The Great Hunger, admits that sometimes it was difficult to shift fish!

Unbelievable.

Even fishermen sold their fish for potatoes. There was a cult of the potato.

cactusgal

Bath & Bodyworks
Old Navy
Publix supermarket
Chick-Fil-A
Krispy Kreme
Cinnabon
Panera

Public squares / piazzas like you see in other European cities, with cafes and tables (I know we don't really have the weather for it, but you know what I mean)

Cafes that stay open late

Decently priced soda in pubs (why is a pint of Coke -2 pub sized bottles- more expensive than a pint of beer????) It'd drive you to drink.

Electric Sheep

cactusgal wrote: »

Public squares / piazzas like you see in other European cities, with cafes and tables (I know we don't really have the weather for it, but you know what I mean)

They'd just be overrun by junkies, like every other public space in Dublin.

jobbridge4life

Electric Sheep wrote: »

They'd just be overrun by junkies, like every other public space in Dublin.

... that is nonsense. Obviously there is an issue with people suffering from drug addiction in the city centre but scaremongering hyperbole like that is just ridiculous.

catallus

This.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33097769

We need this right now.

Wurzelbert

catallus wrote: »

This.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33097769

We need this right now.

more lunchtime sex?

Cork boy 55

a bridge to nowhere

free opium dens

another national park

catallus

Wurzelbert wrote: »

more lunchtime sex?

giggity.

jobbridge4life

Amsterdam style coffeeshops.

Magico Gonzalez

Cafes that open late = empty cafes.

A more mature or respectful relationship with alcohol and food.

FreaksAndGeeks

Fruit Loops and Lucky Charms that are reasonably priced. Not €8 a box.

Bayberry

FreaksAndGeeks wrote: »

Fruit Loops and Lucky Charms that are reasonably priced. Not €8 a box.

You're obviously worth it......