Walking german shephard around estate with no leash

ForestFire

tk123 wrote: »

My issue is that the OP or their neighbours haven't bothered approaching the owner because they've made assumptions about the him and the dog and seem to be afraid of the dog based on their own misconception of the breed. Calling the guards/dog warden on a neighbour rather than approach them is not "getting on with them" in my opinion - you want this guy to get on with all the neighbours and accommodate them yet the OP is calling him antisocial - if I had neighbours like that I don't think I'd want to be social with them?

There's also no mention of the dog having any interest in any of the kids or being close to them at all - maybe the OP can clarify since they're the one who's looking for advise here? I'm just imaging what happens when my dogs are off lead - there may be kids down the other end of the park or across the field and river in the playground but my dogs are nowhere near them and have no interest in them.

I'm not the op and I'm not defending him but I think the anti social comment was clarified only in relation to this issue? if not then yes you should judge everything on one issue.

And yes I stated in my post they should talk to the owner first as he might not be aware, but I'm guessing they would not be worried if it was a park or large field and dog would be reasonable close in an housing estate.

borderlinemeath

I know so many dog owners that are completely judgmental about breeds for absolutely no reason other than scaremongering because of BSL. One is the same, has an impression about GSDs based purely on the fact that they're on a list than any action that one has ever done, they've never owned one, petted one or interacted with one because "they must be vicious" and that impression comes about because so many are seen muzzled. The same person has a similar impression of greyhounds who aren't on the RB list but because they're muzzled, again, the assumption that they are vicious.

The most people aggressive dog I know is a bichon frise, who snaps when approached by people he doesn't know, and of course because he's cute and white and cuddly looking, kids make a bee line for him and he's likely to snap if he feels threatened by them. Parents need to teach their children not only to not approach strange dogs, but also not to judge a book by it's cover, or in this case, a dog by it's size and it's unfounded reputation.

I'm not a fan of dogs off lead IF they are bothering others. Nor am I a fan of BSL but some owners don't do their breeds any favours either if they flaunt the law and have a dog that is out of control and bothering people or other dogs. It's hard to tell what is the case here because the OP has made a judgement call about the breed and it's owner so I would imagine any scenario might be biased towards the "tiger" of a dog being troublesome rather than minding it's own business.

ihatewinter

ihatewinter wrote: »

A few children get bitten, it's reported on every media outlet and them certain dogs are deemed dangerous. Then you have certain groups calling for them to be restrained or banned

When I was a child in the 90's early 2000's, dogs running wild in estates was rampant and normal. Now if a dog is without a lead, people are screaming for the dog to be banned.

Plus I have notice children are more afraid on dogs and animals in general. They scream and run away when they see a dog, could it be something to do with over protective parents instructing them not to go near a dog at all and all dogs are dangerous and will bite etc.

I walk my well trained collie mix rescue dog off lead in the estate I live in. There are huge green areas and lots of dog owners let all sorts of dogs and breeds off lead for a run. I've never seen any out of control dogs. I always carry a lead to clip on her in case but there seems to be respect and understanding on all sides. I've never been asked to put my dog on a lead as most other dogs are off lead too.

I took my dog on her lead to a woodland park close by recently..... didn't let her off at all.... and a young mother with her little kids immediately screamed at her kids to come back to her and told them to stay away from the "bad" dog!!
She is a 12 year old sweet natured loyal dog who I reared my own kids with . This woman was training her kids to be afraid of dogs and that all dogs are bad!!

That's more damaging surely than innocent man walking his well trained GS in
Saggart .

celligraphy

mordeith wrote:

Seriously? 100%. So a parent is expected to teach their kids about every single possible interaction with dogs. Or should they tell their kids to just run a mile on seeing one?

Parents should tell their kids to avoid strange dogs, it's not safe for either the child or dog . I tell my 2 year old and let's say if she's going on a walk with her nana or dad to never pet a strange dog unless owner says it's ok. Not worth the risk . Child could accidently hurt the dog and provoke it or the dog could be bad tempered .

roosterman71

I'd hate to live in this estate

borderlinemeath

roosterman71 wrote: »

I'd hate to live in this estate

Me too. Imagine being judged by neighbours who assume you're a scumbag because of the dog breed you own.

andreac

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Me too. Imagine being judged by neighbours who assume you're a scumbag because of the dog breed you own.

Jesus, i must be really anti-social and an even bigger scumbag as i own and walk 3 Rottweilers!! :eek:

the beer revolu

Deleted User wrote: »

I walk my well trained collie mix rescue dog off lead in the estate I live in. There are huge green areas and lots of dog owners let all sorts of dogs and breeds off lead for a run. I've never seen any out of control dogs. I always carry a lead to clip on her in case but there seems to be respect and understanding on all sides. I've never been asked to put my dog on a lead as most other dogs are off lead too.

I took my dog on her lead to a woodland park close by recently..... didn't let her off at all.... and a young mother with her little kids immediately screamed at her kids to come back to her and told them to stay away from the "bad" dog!!
She is a 12 year old sweet natured loyal dog who I reared my own kids with . This woman was training her kids to be afraid of dogs and that all dogs are bad!!

That's more damaging surely than innocent man walking his well trained GS in
Saggart .

Right.
So man in estate should be allowed to flout the law because you met a stupid woman in a wood? Or am I reading you wrong?

Some of the arguments here are completely irrelevant.

Cars kill people. Yes they do. What has that got to do with the issue of a man breaking the law by having his GSD off lead and unmuzzled in public.

Children should all learn how to behave around dogs. It would be great if all kids (and adults) knew how to behave around dogs. But that has nothing to do with the fact that this man is breaking the law.

Personally, I'd have no issue with a well trained GSD walking off lead - but I'm not afraid of dogs. Many people are. Just like many people are afraid of spiders or mice. They just are afraid. The OP is uncomfortable with this man flouting the law. Whether you agree with the law or not, people have a right to expect their neighbours to obey the laws of the land - not just the ones that they agree with.

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Me too. Imagine being judged by neighbours who assume you're a scumbag because of the dog breed you own.

andreac wrote: »

Jesus, i must be really anti-social and an even bigger scumbag as i own and walk 3 Rottweilers!! :eek:

It was clearly stated that the OP made a judgement on the man in question because he openly flouts the law, not because of the breed of dog he chooses to own.

Why do posters try to discredit the OP by suggesting that it was the breed of dog that prompted the anti social comment?

Is it a case of the fact that your argument holds no water so you will just discredit and defame the person on the other side of the argument.


Clearly, a lot of people here disagree with the Restricted Breed laws that we have. I have no doubt that there are many valid arguments against these laws but the fact remains that the laws do exist and the OP is suggesting that a dog owner in her estate should be subject to these laws of the land.

DBB

The beer revolu,
It is not permitted to scold other users for their on-thread behaviour on boards.ie. It's called back seat moderating.
If you believe that anyone is being abused, defamed, disrespected etc, report the posts, rather than taking matters into your own hands as you have done rather stridently here. You have not reported any posts.
As is pretty obvious, there have been multiple mod interventions in this thread to prevent/stop untoward posting behaviour, towards both the op, and towards other users.
Please do no try to moderate posting in this forum again.
Do not reply to this post on-thread.
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YurOK2

mordeith wrote: »

So a parent is expected to teach their kids about every single possible interaction with dogs.

YurOK2 wrote: »

YES.

ForestFire wrote: »

This is what we are supposed to debate with?
Would you like to give any reasons why we need to teach our kids about an unlawful loose dog around a housing estate with kids playing?

Well I was actually responding to a specific post that YES every parent should teach their child about every single possible interaction with dogs. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that. Why wouldn't a parent want to educate their child?
The situation described in the OP does not describe a vicious dog to me but what happens if an actual vicious dog manages to escape and is actually running around a housing estate, every child should be educated about what to do in that situation. I thought that was common sense to be honest.

ForestFire

YurOK2 wrote: »

Well I was actually responding to a specific post that YES every parent should teach their child about every single possible interaction with dogs. I'm not sure what's so crazy about that. Why wouldn't a parent want to educate their child?
The situation described in the OP does not describe a vicious dog to me but what happens if an actual vicious dog manages to escape and is actually running around a housing estate, every child should be educated about what to do in that situation. I thought that was common sense to be honest.

So my 22 month daughter is supposed to know about EVERY interaction with a dog.....and children younger what about them?? There is only so much we can teach a child at one time and they need to be a certain age to learn. yeah thats not crazy at all :rolleyes:.

Do I also need to teach them about every interaction with other animals, Cars, Trains, Strangers, Bouncy castles bikes, Rules of the road etc, etc

Why can't EVERY dog owner OBEY the LAW and ensure they know how to control their dogs around children/adults and other dogs??

No lets blame the toddlers and parents for poor education of all of life dangers before we leave them out side there front door to play in what should be a safe enviroment

tk123

ForestFire wrote: »

So my 22 month daughter is supposed to know about EVERY interaction with a dog.....and children younger what about them?? There is only so much we can teach a child at one time and they need to be a certain age to learn. yeah thats not crazy at all :rolleyes:.

Why would your 22 old daughter be allowed unsupervised access to a dog?

borderlinemeath

ForestFire wrote: »

So my 22 month daughter is supposed to know about EVERY interaction with a dog.....and children younger what about them?? There is only so much we can teach a child at one time and they need to be a certain age to learn. yeah thats not crazy at all :rolleyes:.

Do I also need to teach them about every interaction with other animals, Cars, Trains, Strangers, Bouncy castles bikes, Rules of the road etc, etc

Why can't EVERY dog owner OBEY the LAW and ensure they know how to control their dogs around children/adults and other dogs??

No lets blame the toddlers and parents for poor education of all of life dangers before we leave them out side there front door to play in what should be a safe enviroment

You leave your 22 month old daughter outside the front door to play?

ForestFire

borderlinemeath wrote: »

You leave your 22 month old daughter outside the front door to play?

Yes is she not allowed outside not in the front garden??? Didn't know there were laws against that

tk123 wrote: »

Why would your 22 old daughter be allowed unsupervised access to a dog?

Please this is just getting silly.. tell me where I said that??

I was told I should teach my child "Every single interaction with a dog"
This is what I am disputing

We are talking about a dog in a housing estate that is not on a lease and not muzzle and breaking the law.
There is noting stopping this dog interacting with my child even when I am there kicking a ball with her or playing with her supervised

But again lets pretend there is no responsibility here for dog owners. Eveyrone else should adapt to them

tk123

ForestFire wrote: »

We are talking about a dog in a housing estate that is not on a lease and not muzzle and breaking the law.
There is noting stopping this dog interacting with my child even when I am there kicking a ball with her or playing with her supervised

But again lets pretend there is no responsibility here for dog owners. Eferone else should adapt to them

Do you live in this housing estate?!

YurOK2

ForestFire wrote: »

So my 22 month daughter is supposed to know about EVERY interaction with a dog.....and children younger what about them?? There is only so much we can teach a child at one time and they need to be a certain age to learn. yeah thats not crazy at all :rolleyes:.

Do I also need to teach them about every interaction with other animals, Cars, Trains, Strangers, Bouncy castles bikes, Rules of the road etc, etc

No lets blame the toddlers and parents for poor education of all of life dangers before we leave them out side there front door to play in what should be a safe enviroment

There's no need for the hysterics.
I don't think a 22 month old child should be heading off on his/her own anyway but maybe you have a different approach to parenting.
Yes, you do need to teach them about every interaction you outlined. I would've thought that's Parenting 101. You bring a child into the world, they're your responsibility to educate.

ForestFire wrote: »

Why can't EVERY dog owner OBEY the LAW and ensure they know how to control their dogs around children/adults and other dogs??

In an ideal world every dog owner would obey the law, in an ideal world every child would be responsibly supervised when outside the safety of their home but this isn't an ideal world so EVERYBODY needs to be prepared to deal with things outside of idealism.

borderlinemeath

ForestFire wrote: »

Please this is just getting silly.. tell me where I said that??

I was told I should teach my child "Every single interaction with a dog"
This is what I am disputing

We are talking about a dog in a housing estate that is not on a lease and not muzzle and breaking the law.
There is noting stopping this dog interacting with my child even when I am there kicking a ball with her or playing with her

No lets blame the toddlers and parents for poor education of all of life dangers before we leave them out side there front door to play in what should be a safe enviroment

Even when I grew up in the 70s, outside the front door was not a safe environment for a toddler - even if you weren't referring to your own child.

When I was a child if a dog nipped me or growled at me, I was given out to. Because my parents were responsible enough to know that I was antagonising the dog. These days if the same thing happens the dog is sent to the pound or the vet to be pts, sure there's no way that the little darling could be to blame, and the parents certainly don't seem to shoulder any responsibility any more. Look at that kid in Dublin last year, he was mauled by a husky when he TRESPASSED into his grandmothers neighbours garden and started petting the dog. The parents took zero responsibility and the poor dog got put down. The mother was even on TV3 saying how they've had loads of dogs - jack russells, staffies and a rottie, all in the 10 year olds lifetime, so her son isn't afraid of dogs. Well he might not be afraid, but he sure as hell had no idea how to act around them, or not to break the LAW of trespass.

ForestFire

tk123 wrote: »

Do you live in this housing estate?!

Don't see why my personnel situation is relevant to the OP topic we are discussing here but yes I do, what dose that matter?

If I did not live in an estate does that ban me from having an opionin on it?

Can you not discuss the relevant points:-

1)The dog is being walk in an estate
2)The dog has no lead
3)The dog has no muzzle
4)This is against the law for this breed
5)There are multiple children playing in the estate
6)The dog makes the parents worried/nervous
7) yes they should talk to the dog owner politely to discuss

And in case you missed it - the dog owner is breaking the law by walking his dog in the estate as he is

kylith

ForestFire wrote: »

Do I also need to teach them about every interaction with other animals, Cars, Trains, Strangers, Bouncy castles bikes, Rules of the road etc, etc

I'm sorry; do you not intend to teach your child that cars and trains are dangerous, that strangers shouldn't be approached, to be careful not to bounce out of or do somersaults in a bouncy castle, to wear a bike helmet, to look both ways when crossing the road, and what traffic lights mean?

Should the rest of us never be able to walk a dog off-lead and unmuzzled because you can't be arsed to teach your child not to approach strange dogs, or to keep a firm grip on them if they're too young to understand?

ForestFire

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Even when I grew up in the 70s, outside the front door was not a safe environment for a toddler - even if you weren't referring to your own child.

When I was a child if a dog nipped me or growled at me, I was given out to. Because my parents were responsible enough to know that I was antagonising the dog. These days if the same thing happens the dog is sent to the pound or the vet to be pts, sure there's no way that the little darling could be to blame, and the parents certainly don't seem to shoulder any responsibility any more. Look at that kid in Dublin last year, he was mauled by a husky when he TRESPASSED into his grandmothers neighbours garden and started petting the dog. The parents took zero responsibility and the poor dog got put down. The mother was even on TV3 saying how they've had loads of dogs - jack russells, staffies and a rottie, all in the 10 year olds lifetime, so her son isn't afraid of dogs. Well he might not be afraid, but he sure as hell had no idea how to act around them, or not to break the LAW of trespass.

I really can't believe you did not play outside the house supervised as a toddler. What age were you when you were allowed outside?

I never said there is no responsibility on the parents, but ye all seem to be saying its 100% the parents responsibility and none for the law breaking dog owner:rolleyes:

Carlos Orange

kylith wrote: »

Should the rest of us never be able to walk a dog off-lead and unmuzzled because you can't be arsed to teach your child not to approach strange dogs, or to keep a firm grip on them if they're too young to understand?

Maybe as an intermediary step dogs could be on a lead and muzzled when legally required.

Rubberchikken

a responsible dog owner will have their dog on a leash and if required by law, a muzzle on. the word is 'responsible'.

maybe speak to the man. explain your worries.
it's lovely to see a dog off a leash and enjoying themselves if the person with them has full control. few things more irriating than a dog whose bothering others (people or animals). but i never blame the dog - it's all about the owner.

222233

FrancieK2 wrote: »

Hi I'm looking for advice. There's a man in our estate in Saggart walking his german shephard around every day with no lead and no muzzle, as required by the control of Dogs act. It's an estate with a lot of young kids and toddlers around playing, and it makes a lot of the mums and kids very nervous to see this huge animal running around with no leash.

I don't want to chown the guy because first of all you have to deal with this tiger sized animal he has with him and secondly anyone walking a dog around like this is likely to be anti-social in my opinion.

What to do?

Just because a dog is a specific breed does not mean that the dog is dangerous/a threat to people.

The problem with parents these days is they wrap children in cotton wool, children need to be thought to respect animals. In most cases as long as your child respects the dog i.e doesn't pinch or pull it the dog is fine, i do understand certain dogs are just vicious.

However I think you should ask the man if the dog is friendly and if it is good with kids and if the dog is then move on and tell the other parents to do the same,

tk123

ForestFire wrote: »

Don't see why my personnel situation is relevant to the OP topic we are discussing here but yes I do, what dose that matter?

Well it is relevant in this case because the OP hasn't replied at all to anyone's questions- if you live in the same estate you could provide more details/information about the owner and the dog and why people are afraid and if it's just based on the dog being a GSD or on it's actions?

The dogs breed and BSL status makes no difference imo - I'd be pretty sure any "big dog" would receive the same reception. And I'd be pretty sure any other large breed owner here will agree with me as reactions like these go with the territory of having a large dog.

GSDs are used by Irish Guide Dogs in their breeding stock btw....who are often placed with children.

YurOK2

ForestFire wrote: »

I never said there is no responsibility on the parents, but ye all seem to be saying its 100% the parents responsibility and none for the law breaking dog owner:rolleyes:

Could you quote the posts that say that please?

ForestFire

kylith wrote: »

I'm sorry; do you not intend to teach your child that cars and trains are dangerous, that strangers shouldn't be approached, to be careful not to bounce out of or do somersaults in a bouncy castle, to wear a bike helmet, to look both ways when crossing the road, and what traffic lights mean?

Should the rest of us never be able to walk a dog off-lead and unmuzzled because you can't be arsed to teach your child not to approach strange dogs, or to keep a firm grip on them if they're too young to understand?

I give up with ye all...ye just make up what you want to suit your selves. I never said I should not teach my child, but at 22 months, everything?? I have corrected several miss-quotes now from ye already to deflect the real issues.

Here was me teaching here how to say the words "dog" "cat" "cow" "please" "thank you" "ABC.." "songs"

when really I should have been grilling her on all the dog species in the Ireland, how to interact with each one in every situation...oh and then car speed breaking distance the laws of momentume etc. get real she is 22 months old

best of luck to you all...you do not shed a good light on dog owners as far as I am concerned with all your poor argument manipulation of posts and zero responsibility for your own actions and abeying the law.

That's it for me here have a nice day

222233

In my experience with animals most cases of bites/attacks are down to children being rough with dogs, this is down to parents failing to teach children to respect animals!

If the dog is in a green area walking then of course it won't be on a lead.

ForestFire

tk123 wrote: »

It is 100% the parent's responsibly. Worse case scenario - a dog bites or even kills a child and gets put down and the owner move on. Parent is left with a child who's scared for life or dead- who has more to lose here? What about kidnappers - it's ok don't bother educating the kids who as you put it are potential victims here - the kidnapper should be the one to do it.

Have you considered that the owner dog is confident in his dog - confident enough to let it off lead knowing it won't be interested in anyone else which is what's happening at the moment - nothing has happened but you want it muzzled and on lead. That dog could be the best trained in Ireland for all you know - why not approach the owner and have a chat with them? It could be a service or therapy dog for all you know which are exempt from BSL..

YurOK2 wrote: »

Could you quote the posts that say that please?

Happy??

222233

ForestFire wrote: »

I give up with ye all...ye just make up what you want to suit your selves. i never said I should teach my child but at 22 months?? I I have correct sever mis quoptes now from ye already to deflect the real issues.

Here was me teaching here how to say the words "dog" "cat" "cow" "please" "thank you" "ABC.." "songs"

when really I should have been grilling her on all the dog species in the Ireland, how to interact with each one in every situation...oh and then car speed breaking distance the laws of momentume etc. get real she is 22 months old

best of luck to you all...you do not shed a good light on dog owners as far as I am concerned with all your poor argument manipulation of posts and zero responsibility for your own actions and abeying the law.

That's it for me here have a nice day

There are also laws against the continuous restraining of dogs so both could be argued the dog needs exercise too!

ForestFire

222233 wrote: »

There are also laws against the continuous restraining of dogs so both could be argued the dog needs exercise too!

:eek: I don't know what to say This is the best excuse for a pathetic argument yet


Exercise them with-in the law and safely on the lead and muzzle or not in an estate with children

That's really it, now i'm off

andreac

But the dog hasn't done anything to warrant this worry? He is just out for a walk minding his own business? If you have an issue, go and speak with him and voice your concerns.

kylith

psinno wrote: »

Maybe as an intermediary step dogs could be on a lead and muzzled when legally required.

And what about the dogs that aren't legally required to be muzzled? Not all of them (not even many of them) appreciate strangers, especially strange children, approaching them. Children should be taught to respect and not approach any dog that they don't know without the owner's express permission.

YurOK2

ForestFire wrote: »

Happy??

I think tk123 was saying that educating children is 100% the responsibility of the parents, which it is.

kylith

ForestFire wrote: »

Here was me teaching here how to say the words "dog" "cat" "cow" "please" "thank you" "ABC.." "songs"

when really I should have been grilling her on all the dog species in the Ireland, how to interact with each one in every situation...oh and then car speed breaking distance the laws of momentume etc. get real she is 22 months old

I wasn't aware that it was an either/or situation, tbh. My nephew is a couple of months older than your child, so how amazing is it that his parents have managed to teach him both the word 'dog' and the concept of not rushing toward any dog he sees, similarly they have taught him the word 'car' and been able to impress upon him the importance of waiting for the green man before crossing the road.

Teaching a child to respect dogs doesn't mean expecting a 3yo to be able to give a 30 minute presentation on P+ Vs P- training methods, it just means telling them, over and over, 'We must ask the man/woman if it is ok for us to pet their dog because some dogs aren't friendly' (or I describe my own dog as 'afraid of strangers' which tends to be understood well).

borderlinemeath

Forest Fire, you say you live in this estate? Yet your location is given as Tramore under your user name, yet the OP has stated that this estate with the roaming tiger is in Saggart?

Do you live in this housing estate?!
Don't see why my personnel situation is relevant to the OP topic we are discussing here but yes I do, what dose that matter?

Hi I'm looking for advice. There's a man in our estate in Saggart walking his german shephard around every day with no lead and no muzzle

And to answer your earlier question - No, I was not allowed in the front garden as a toddler, from memory I was at least 8 or 9 before I was allowed play outside the front. There's lot of photos of me in the back garden with the dogs though.

222233

ForestFire wrote: »

:eek: I don't know what to say This is the best excuse for a pathetic argument yet


Exercise them with-in the law and safely on the lead and muzzle or not in an estate with children

That's really it, now i'm off

There are children everywhere, not just this estate. Dogs always roam free in the park by me parents don't care as they supervise their children.

If you don't want a dog in a park etc near your children then simply go stand with your children and supervise them.

ForestFire

kylith wrote: »

I wasn't aware that it was an either/or situation, tbh. My nephew is a couple of months older than your child, so how amazing is it that his parents have managed to teach him both the word 'dog' and the concept of not rushing toward any dog he sees, similarly they have taught him the word 'car' and been able to impress upon him the importance of waiting for the green man before crossing the road.

just to stop the miss-quotes again

Talk about changing the goal posts!!!

Well done:rolleyes:.... 2 situation but hardly Every situation as stated previously

What about a child a few months younger than my daughter???

ForestFire

222233 wrote: »

There are children everywhere, not just this estate. Dogs always roam free in the park by me parents don't care as they supervise their children.

If you don't want a dog in a park etc near your children then simply go stand with your children and supervise them.

How about obey the law

222233

ForestFire wrote: »

How about obey the law

Not all dogs are required to be muzzled by law. There are also laws relating to animal cruelty as I stated.

Said dog may be german shepard x and in reality they tend to be a fabulous, kind natured breed unless humans breed them to behave otherwise.

ForestFire

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Forest Fire, you say you live in this estate? Yet your location is given as Tramore under your user name, yet the OP has stated that this estate with the roaming tiger is in Saggart?





And to answer your earlier question - No, I was not allowed in the front garden as a toddler, from memory I was at least 8 or 9 before I was allowed play outside the front. There's lot of photos of me in the back garden with the dogs though.

Sorry i need to correct this... i do not live in this estate. I miss read this as an estate, sorry for the confusion there, but how many others live in this estate.
but I am not living in Tramore now either. that is my home town.

ForestFire

222233 wrote: »

Not all dogs are required to be muzzled by law. There are also laws relating to animal cruelty as I stated.

Said dog may be german shepard x and in reality they tend to be a fabulous, kind natured breed unless humans breed them to behave otherwise.

This dog/owner is breaking the law:rolleyes:

kylith

ForestFire wrote: »

just to stop the miss-quotes again

Talk about changing the goal posts!!!

Well done:rolleyes:.... 2 situation but hardly Every situation as stated previously

What about a child a few months younger than my daughter???

No-one expects you to have taught your child EVERYTHING about EVERY situation. What we do expect is that the parent of a 2 year old supervises the child closely, doesn't allow them to get into potentially dangerous situations, and constantly educates the child about how to behave.

If the child is even younger than yours then I'd expect their parent to be supervising even more closely and taking even more care that they don't do something dangerous because, frankly, only a jelly-brain would allow a toddler to molest a strange dog, or even a familiar dog.

ForestFire

kylith wrote: »

No-one expects you to have taught your child EVERYTHING about EVERY situation. What we do expect is that the parent of a 2 year old supervises the child closely, doesn't allow them to get into potentially dangerous situations, and constantly educates the child about how to behave.

If the child is even younger than yours then I'd expect their parent to be supervising even more closely and taking even more care that they don't do something dangerous because, frankly, only a jelly-brain would allow a toddler to molest a strange dog, or even a familiar dog.

Agree but..

But the dog owner is allowed to break the law??

222233

ForestFire wrote: »

This dog/owner is breaking the law:rolleyes:

You are very worried about the law but I would recommend the OP speaks to the dog owner, if the dog were planning to attack it would have done so by now.
People without experience with animals have a tendency to "fear" certain breeds when in reality the little JRT next door is potentially more dangerous than the GS.

ForestFire

222233 wrote: »

You are very worried about the law but I would recommend the OP speaks to the dog owner, if the dog were planning to attack it would have done so by now.
People without experience with animals have a tendency to "fear" certain breeds when in reality the little JRT next door is potentially more dangerous than the GS.

come on..Completely false, Dogs can change/react to different situations

kylith

ForestFire wrote: »

Agree but..

But the dog owner is allowed to break the law??

No, he should not be breaking the law, but as I said earlier; not all dogs are RB. Non RB dogs are not required to be muzzled and kept on lead. What of them?

ForestFire

222233 wrote: »

You are very worried about the law but I would recommend the OP speaks to the dog owner, if the dog were planning to attack it would have done so by now.
People without experience with animals have a tendency to "fear" certain breeds when in reality the little JRT next door is potentially more dangerous than the GS.

I have already recommended this several times..trying reading my posts

ForestFire

kylith wrote: »

No, he should not be breaking the law, but as I said earlier; not all dogs are RB. Non RB dogs are not required to be muzzled and kept on lead. What of them?

Different tread.. feel free to start another one on this if you like

borderlinemeath

ForestFire wrote: »

come on..Completely false, Dogs can change/react to different situations

Exactly. But that is not breed specific. All dogs have the potential to bite, irrespective of breed so to lull people into a false sense of security with breeds that aren't on the list is a far more dangerous scenario. Which is exactly the kind of complacency that the list creates.

ForestFire

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Exactly. But that is not breed specific. All dogs have the potential to bite, irrespective of breed so to lull people into a false sense of security with breeds that aren't on the list is a far more dangerous scenario. Which is exactly the kind of complacency that the list creates.

Sorry I did not create the list:o