Government Capital Spending on Roads: 2016-2022

Aontachtoir

Capital plan publication pushed back to Q1 next year.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/donohoe-says-there-are-many-reasons-to-go-ahead-with-road-projects-1.3327941

markodaly

Aontachtoir wrote: »

Capital plan publication pushed back to Q1 next year.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/donohoe-says-there-are-many-reasons-to-go-ahead-with-road-projects-1.3327941

Interesting. Are they going to pull a rabbit out of the hat with a few unexpected announcements?

marno21

So far it's looking like for the all new Capital Plan:

M20 Cork-Limerick
N6 Galway City Ring Road
N2 Ardee-Castleblayney
N2 Clontibret-NI Border
N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge
N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass
N14 Letterkenny-Lifford
N13/N56 Letterkenny Northern Relief Road

There's a high chance of there being a N4 scheme, possibly either Mullingar-Longford or Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod being included. The N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton minor scheme will likely be included for access to the Amgen site and the proposed Ikea.

Charles Babbage

N2 Ardee-Castleblayney

Is this to be 2+2? It is pretty good S2 at present.

marno21

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Is this to be 2+2? It is pretty good S2 at present.

They are looking at retrofitting the existing S2 to 2+2, presumably with minor offline diversions/parallel access roads for any accesses/minor roads that need serving. The bulk of the existing roadbed will be used.

snotboogie

marno21 wrote: »

So far it's looking like for the all new Capital Plan:

M20 Cork-Limerick
N6 Galway City Ring Road
N2 Ardee-Castleblayney
N2 Clontibret-NI Border
N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge
N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass
N14 Letterkenny-Lifford
N13/N56 Letterkenny Northern Relief Road

There's a high chance of there being a N4 scheme, possibly either Mullingar-Longford or Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod being included. The N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton minor scheme will likely be included for access to the Amgen site and the proposed Ikea.

They are going to build the M20 without the North Ring?

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

They are going to build the M20 without the North Ring?

We haven't got that far yet in th M20 scheme.

By the way my list is incomplete and non exhaustive. This is what we know so far

roadmaster

i would not mind seen Virginia/Whitegate added to that list, on a side note when the N3/M3 was being built/designed does anyone know why the junction at white gate was not included ? by pulling the dual carriageway an extra 1 km or even just realigning the junction with side roads to come back to the roundabout it would have being a fantastic safety improvement for not much money in the grand scale of things.

marno21

TII allocations for 2018:

Capital plan

Scheme title | Allocation (€)
N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin | 3,000,000
N5 Westport to Turlough | 6,550,000
M7 Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade | 20,500,000
N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange | 500,000
N22 Macroom to Ballyvourney | 4,000,000
N56 Dungloe to Glenties | 7,250,000
N56 Mouncharles to Inver | 4,720,000
N59 Moycullen BP | 400,000
|
N2 Slane BP | 1,700,000
N6 Galway City Bypass | 2,000,000
N21/N69 Foynes to Limerick | 1,000,000
M28 Cork to Ringaskiddy | 300,000
N72 Mallow Relief Road | 300,000


Other major schemes
Scheme title | Allocation
N2 Ardee-Castleblayney | 400,000
N2 Clontibret-NI Border | 400,000
N3 M50 to Clonee | 50,000
M4 Maynooth-Leixlip | 25,000
N5 Ballaghaderreen to Longford | 70,000
M7 Junction 28 upgrade | 50,000
M50/M11 to Kilmacanogue | 300,000
N13 Ballybofey/Stranorlar BP | 2,400,000**
N13 Letterkenny DC Upgrade | 2,4000,000**
N14 Letterkenny to Lifford | 2,400,000**
N56 Letterkenny Relief Road | 2,400,000**
M20 Cork to Limerick | 1,500,000
N3 upgrade near Dublin | 300,000
N52 Ardee bypass | 2,000,000
N55 Ballymahon-Athlone | 400,000
N59 Clifden to Oughterard | 2,000,000
N59 Westport-Mulranny | 4,000,000
N69 Listowel bypass | 100,000
N86 Tralee to Dingle | 4,700,000



** 1m shared between four schemes, early planning done together


In addition, a number of pipeline schemes are to be reactivated in 2018, each receiving an allocation of €25,000

* N2 Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross
* N3 Virginia Bypass
* N4 Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod
* N4 Mullingar-Roosky (400k allocation)
* N11/N25 Oilgate-Rosslare Harbour
* N14/N15 to A5 Link
* N17 Knock to Tobercurry
* N17 Collooney-Tobercurry
* N21 Abbeyfeale relief road
* N21 Newcastlewest relief road
* N22 Farranfore to Killarney
* N24 Cahir to Waterford
* N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction
* N25 Waterford-Glenmore
* N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton
* N40 Cork North Ring Road
* N52 Tullamore-Kilbeggan

marno21

Fantastic allocations for 2018.

17 new schemes on the table
Large allocations to existing schemes
2 majors to start in 2018, 2 to start in 2019.

Varadkar wasn't lying when he said the new Capital Plan was ambitious. The M20, M4 Mullingar-Roosky (50km), around 50km of DC in Monaghan on the N2, almost the entire N24...

roadmaster

Marno is the M4 Maynooth-Leixlip allocation towards upgrading to 3 lanes?

marno21

Y

marno21

roadmaster wrote: »

Marno is the M4 Maynooth-Leixlip allocation towards upgrading to 3 lanes?

Yes, widening to 3 lanes in each direction. TII were planning Kilcock to Leixlip but this might be enough.

There was a seperate plan to upgrade Leixlip-M50 to motorway but this may have been cancelled. Would be difficult with bus lanes and entrances anyhow.

roadmaster

marno21 wrote: »

Yes, widening to 3 lanes in each direction. TII were planning Kilcock to Leixlip but this might be enough.

There was a seperate plan to upgrade Leixlip-M50 to motorway but this may have been cancelled. Would be difficult with bus lanes and entrances anyhow.

3 lanes at the N4/M4 would make a huge difference and would stop some of the road rage i seen there

Donegal Storm

A nice surprise to come home to this evening! Disappointing that there's still no talk of Sligo - Bundoran but plenty of other schemes there that'll vastly improve the third world road access to the NW. Hopefully further surprises if the capital plan even sees the light of day

marno21

Donegal Storm wrote: »

A nice surprise to come home to this evening! Disappointing that there's still no talk of Sligo - Bundoran but plenty of other schemes there that'll vastly improve the third world road access to the NW. Hopefully further surprises if the capital plan even sees the light of day

There was news of the Capital Plan in the papers today (M20) sonit cant be far away.

No N15 isn't great but the DC from Sligo to Dublin bar a small gap will be fantastic. Full A5/N2 upgrade also, and the entire N17 through Sligo.

Kermit.de.frog

What's N3 Clonee to M50? 3 lane upgrade?

marno21

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What's N3 Clonee to M50? 3 lane upgrade?

For all the Dublin area ones it's widening/access closures/motorway reclassification (where possible). N3/N4/N11

lucernarian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Due to start sometime next year according to Shane Ross.

http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/minister-ross-welcomes-over-%E2%82%AC136m-funding-multiple-road-safety-schemes-and-road

I think you were missing the point. The scheme hasn't been built yet, no matter that construction is due to start next year.

lucernarian

marno21 wrote: »

So far it's looking like for the all new Capital Plan:

M20 Cork-Limerick
N6 Galway City Ring Road
N2 Ardee-Castleblayney
N2 Clontibret-NI Border
N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge
N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass
N14 Letterkenny-Lifford
N13/N56 Letterkenny Northern Relief Road
.

Not liking the sounds of N2 Ardee to Clontibret. Are we to start completely banning cycling on the major roads of rural Ireland or just let them suffer without a hard shoulder? That is downright madness, with no offline route alternative. Besides, the existing road is perfectly adequate?! Some of the regional roads, pretty much any going to or from Carrickmacross, are in very poor condition. There's still no easy route stretching from the east coast to Cavan. Why upgrade the one good road through Monaghan?!

roadmaster

lucernarian wrote: »

Not liking the sounds of N2 Ardee to Clontibret. Are we to start completely banning cycling on the major roads of rural Ireland or just let them suffer without a hard shoulder? That is downright madness, with no offline route alternative. Besides, the existing road is perfectly adequate?! Some of the regional roads, pretty much any going to or from Carrickmacross, are in very poor condition. There's still no easy route stretching from the east coast to Cavan. Why upgrade the one good road through Monaghan?!

Its a primary route from our capital city servicing Monaghan Tyrone Derry and North Donegal with a massive volume of traffic

lucernarian

roadmaster wrote: »

Its a primary route from our capital city servicing Monaghan Tyrone Derry and North Donegal with a massive volume of traffic

What massive volume? Do you go on the road regularly? What about people making journeys to and from all the towns in the region?

Are we to ban cycling on them too? Let them eat cake?

markodaly

marno21 wrote: »

Fantastic allocations for 2018.

17 new schemes on the table
Large allocations to existing schemes
2 majors to start in 2018, 2 to start in 2019.

Varadkar wasn't lying when he said the new Capital Plan was ambitious. The M20, M4 Mullingar-Roosky (50km), around 50km of DC in Monaghan on the N2, almost the entire N24...

Is there more details on these schemes? The allocation seems small enough but is it just for planning purposes at the moment?

What are the two majors due to start this year and next year?

marno21

markodaly wrote: »

Is there more details on these schemes? The allocation seems small enough but is it just for planning purposes at the moment?

What are the two majors due to start this year and next year?

There's a thread on all of them (I hope) in the forum, they should all have posts on them in the last day or so so should be towards the top

The allocation is to restart the planning process and identify how much of ye previously completed work is still usable and what needs to be done next. Funding for the next stage of planning would likely be available in 2019; or during the year via the council.

Majors starting in 2018 are the N4 Collooney-Castlebaldwin and the N52 Ardee bypass. Dunkettle Interchange to start in late 2018/early 2019 and the Macroom bypass to start in late 2019/early 2020.

pigtown

Has a map been issued with all of these projects on it?

spacetweek

lucernarian wrote: »

Not liking the sounds of N2 Ardee to Clontibret. Are we to start completely banning cycling on the major roads of rural Ireland or just let them suffer without a hard shoulder?
...
What about people making journeys to and from all the towns in the region?

Are we to ban cycling on them too? Let them eat cake?

Why would cycling be banned? The new road will be a dual carriageway, not a motorway as Leo and some others are mistakenly saying.

roadmaster

lucernarian wrote: »

What massive volume? Do you go on the road regularly? What about people making journeys to and from all the towns in the region?

Are we to ban cycling on them too? Let them eat cake?

Regularly travel that road between ardee and monaghan town and it is always busy Any work that will improve safety and reduce the risk of head on collisions I welcome. It's only going to be Type 2 so locals won't have access affected badly as there will be new side roads and roundabouts every 5km give or take to allow for major junctions

marno21

roadmaster wrote: »

Regularly travel that road between ardee and monaghan town and it is always busy Any work that will improve safety and reduce the risk of head on collisions I welcome. It's only going to be Type 2 so locals won't have access affected badly as there will be new side roads and roundabouts every 5km give or take to allow for major junctions

Given the amount of fatal crashes on the N2 north of Ardee in recent times, improving safety along the route is the number 1 priority.

I am open to correction but from monitoring the news over the last few years the worst 2 roads in the country for fatal collisions seem to be the N20 and the N2. Both are receiving substantial upgrades in the near future. Both are also very much welcome.

Middle Man

spacetweek wrote: »

Why would cycling be banned? The new road will be a dual carriageway, not a motorway as Leo and some others are mistakenly saying.

Type 2 Dual type roads have no hard shoulder and hence, would be unsuitable for cycling with traffic speeds up to 100kph - on some dual type 2 roads, a greenway might be provided alongside - examples include both the Tralee and Castleisland Bypasses in Kerry.

BelfastVanMan

Middle Man wrote: »

spacetweek wrote: »

Why would cycling be banned? The new road will be a dual carriageway, not a motorway as Leo and some others are mistakenly saying.

Type 2 Dual type roads have no hard shoulder and hence, would be unsuitable for cycling with traffic speeds up to 100kph - on some dual type 2 roads, a greenway might be provided alongside - examples include both the Tralee and Castleisland Bypasses in Kerry.

This would be good; the Tralee bypass usually has cyclists on it's segregated cycle tracks most times I drive to Dingle.
Same with Castleisland.
Should be mandatory on all Type 2 dcs imo.