Government Capital Spending on Roads: 2016-2022

munchkin_utd

mydiscworld wrote: »

At a glance none of these announced projects are shovel ready, or am I wrong?

they are maybe not shovel ready, but an awful long way further down the planning process than when the Government went mad building stuff in the boom and hadnt even prefered routes identified when announcing new roads !!

L1011

mydiscworld wrote: »

At a glance none of these announced projects are shovel ready, or am I wrong?

All the first list are somewhat there.

N56 Mountcharles to Inver is CPOed and major site clearances (buildings with asbestos removed etc); N56 Glenties to Dungloe is part under construction and the other part CPOed; N4 Cooloney to Castlebaldwin is CPOed and fencing underway. N59 Moycullen BP I think is CPOed, a small section is underway. Rest are outside my sphere of paying attention these days :pac:

Second list definitely aren't - two are mired in planning problems for starters.

spacetweek

L1011 wrote: »

No, that's never planned. There'll be a junction with the Sallins bypass, though, at Osberstown.

Isn't that the same as what he said....

spacetweek

donvito99 wrote: »

Isn't that the existing plan?

The existing plan was to have a tunnel from Inchicore-Heuston-Pearse-Docklands-north of Connolly.
Now it's just Heuston-Pearse.

Schadenfreudia

munchkin_utd wrote: »

they are maybe not shovel ready, but an awful long way further down the planning process than when the Government went mad building stuff in the boom and hadnt even prefered routes identified when announcing new roads !!

"Went mad building stuff" - did they?

You mean the effort (only partially completed) to bring our roads up to normal European standards?

As someone pointed out yesterday in relation to the capital expenditure announcements in the area of Health - the announcement is mainly comprised of things promised in the 2011 plan and undelivered plus things that won't actually involve any construction costs in the period of the current "plan".

jd

spacetweek wrote:

The existing plan was to have a tunnel from Inchicore-Heuston-Pearse-Docklands-north of Connolly. Now it's just Heuston-Pearse.

That's just one of the options. It wouldn't address the loop line bottle neck

Schadenfreudia

spacetweek wrote: »

The existing plan was to have a tunnel from Inchicore-Heuston-Pearse-Docklands-north of Connolly.
Now it's just Heuston-Pearse.

Oddly the original plan ended the tunnel at Heuston - the more sensible arrangement was added much later.

I suppose this gives them an opportunity to delay further when they decide that maybe the Inchicore tunnel was a better solution after all!

Wonderful how a combination of a sclerotic planning system combined with endless opportunities for tweaking can result in nothing actually getting built :mad:

Does anyone actually believe that MN (killed off on Sept 8th; revived Sept 28th) will actually be built as currently proposed?

spacetweek

jd wrote: »

That's just one of the options. It wouldn't address the loop line bottle neck

The resignalling sorts that out no?

jd

spacetweek wrote: »

The resignalling sorts that out no?

It helps, but the DU increases the number of paths and you're freed of the crossover from the Maynooth line. From next year it is also planned to bring additional trains from the Kildare line through the PPT on to GCD.

L1011

spacetweek wrote: »

Isn't that the same as what he said....

No, that won't be the naas Salinns road

BoatMad

Does anyone actually believe that MN (killed off on Sept 8th; revived Sept 28th) will actually be built as currently proposed?

of course not, none believes capital plans into the future,

I believe capital plans when a JCB starts digging holes until then ......

spacetweek

Anyone know if N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin will be DC or single?

joujoujou

DC, if Sligo co co's info is up to date:

http://www.sligococo.ie/N4/

Leonard Hofstadter

Colloney-Castlebaldwin is a Type 2, in other words a 2+2 similar to most of the Tralee bypass or the N4 towards Carrick-on-Shannon.

spacetweek

captainspeed wrote: »

Colloney-Castlebaldwin is a Type 2, in other words a 2+2 similar to most of the Tralee bypass or the N4 towards Carrick-on-Shannon.

I see it's extended a little further south than planned, it was 13.7 km originally now 14.7.

Once this is built I'll have a C.O.Shannon bypass and a motorway from mullingar to Longford and we're done

L1011

spacetweek wrote: »

I see it's extended a little further south than planned, it was 13.7 km originally now 14.7.

Sounds like that'll just be realigned S2

"The road type will be Type 2 Dual Carriageway tied into the existing network to the south via a section of Standard Single Carriageway."

spacetweek

Anyone wanna speculate on which of the announced schemes might start next year?

marno21

spacetweek wrote: »

Anyone wanna speculate on which of the announced schemes might start next year?

M7 widening is surely close to starting seeing as there isn't much work involved.

L1011 said before the N56 schemes are close to construction or under construction.

It was said on the N22 thread that the scheme is quite a bit away from starting, but that a lot of works had been done on the N4 & N5 schemes

AugustusMinimus

I believe all the land required has been purchased for the Dunkettle upgrade. Interesting to see will it start.

Deedsie

marno21 wrote: »

M7 widening is surely close to starting seeing as there isn't much work involved.

L1011 said before the N56 schemes are close to construction or under construction.

It was said on the N22 thread that the scheme is quite a bit away from starting, but that a lot of works had been done on the N4 & N5 schemes

I thought Kildare Co Co would be on the ball with the tender process as soon as funding was awarded. Haven't seen any sign of it yet though.

annfield1978

KCC are putting together tender documents to appoint a consultant to assist with the D&B procurment (Specimen Design, Tender Action Evaluation and Award) Tender Assessment, Contratc Admin and Supervision

KCC seeking approval from DTTAS to combine Sallins Bypass in with the Naas - Newbridge Scheme

Will probably be issued early next year

I dont think there is any money for these schemes in spite of political announcements

Deedsie

annfield1978 wrote: »

KCC are putting together tender documents to appoint a consultant to assist with the D&B procurment (Specimen Design, Tender Action Evaluation and Award) Tender Assessment, Contratc Admin and Supervision

KCC seeking approval from DTTAS to combine Sallins Bypass in with the Naas - Newbridge Scheme

Will probably be issued early next year

I dont think there is any money for these schemes in spite of political announcements

Any evidence that there is an issue with funding?

annfield1978

There doesnt seem to be any new money for TII as yet.

There doesnt appear to be any appetite for new PPPs

Alot of TII's existing budgets are tied up with paying existing PPPs, developing the Traffic Control Centre and looking ahead, at managing the demand on the M50 via ITS systems or addiitonal tolls

spacetweek

annfield1978 wrote: »

There doesnt seem to be any new money for TII as yet.

There doesnt appear to be any appetite for new PPPs

Alot of TII's existing budgets are tied up with paying existing PPPs, developing the Traffic Control Centre and looking ahead, at managing the demand on the M50 via ITS systems or addiitonal tolls

It's new funding , of course it wouldn't appear in the existing budgets.

marno21

http://tii.ie/tii-library/reports-accounts/

2016 funding for TII. Bar the two schemes in Wexford it seems 2016 is another year of pussyfooting around with nothing being done bar land acquistion. This Government's attitude to transport infrastructure is shocking

marno21

Road schemes:

N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin:
Advance works on this are ongoing, with Sligo CoCo having a view to the beginning of construction in 2018.
Expected opening: 2020

N5 Westport to Turlough:
Advance works are complete on this scheme, but resources on Mayo are concentrated on a realignment of the N26 at Cloongullane Bridge, construction should start in 2018.
Expected opening: 2020

M7 widening J9-J11, J9A Osberstown & R409 Sallins BP:
Preliminary works have just begun, and the contract for the overall scheme is at the tender stage, with a view to starting next April
Expected opening: late 2018

N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange upgrade:
No news on this since the plan was announced, apart from the appointment of technical advisors. TII's Dominic Mullaney has recently said that the scheme is expected to start in 2018 after extensive traffic management plans have been organised.
Expected opening: 2020

N22 Baile Bhurine to Macroom:
Whilst this is almost shovel ready, Dominic Mullaney has said that the scheme is waiting patiently in a queue for Dunkettle to start, so it is expected this won't start til 2019/2020.
Expected opening: 2021

N56 Dungloe to Glenties:
Part of this project is under construction already, like the N86 schemes in Kerry. The remainder shouldn't be too far away seeing as funding has now been approved
Expected opening: 2019

N56 Mountcharles to Inver:
No news since the plan was announced. However, at a 5km long SC scheme, it shouldn't be too long to do.
Expected opening: 2019

N59 Moycullen BP:
Although shovel ready, no movement on this since the plan was announced.
Expected opening: TBC

Subject to planning:
N2 Slane BP:
No movement on this since the plan was announced.
Expected opening: TBC

N6 Galway City Outer Bypass:
This scheme is progressing through the planning stages with EIS & CPO due Q3 2016. If funding is committed to by the government, it should be ready to go within a few years.
Expected opening: 2022

N21 Adare BP & N21/N69 Limerick - Foynes:
These were promised seperately, but have now been amalgamated into the N21/N69 Limerick-Foynes scheme. The route was selected earlier this year & preliminary design of alignment & junctions, with an optimistic view of a 2018/19 start.
Expected opening: 2021

M28 Cork - Ringaskiddy
Another scheme racing through the processes, with the final scheme, EIS & Motorway Order due before the end of the year. With this in mind, an early 2019 start should be achieved.
Expected opening: 2021

N72 Mallow Northern BP:
This is undergoing a feasability study by TII, which will be published before the end of the year. This study will decide whether the scheme actually goes ahead or not, and will decide how it will link in with the M20 Cork-Limerick scheme. Land purchase etc. will begin in 2017 if it progresses
Expected opening: 2021

Killaloe area road improvement plan (Killaloe BP, new Shannon crossing & new R494 Birdhill-Ballina)
Objections to this were recently quashed in the courts, so progression of this scheme soon is likely:
Expected opening: TBC

Other schemes mentioned in the plan are the new bridge in Sligo, distributor roads for Portlaoise & Athy, phase IV of the Dingle relief road & the new Laytown to Bettystown spine road, however none are under construction.

A5 Aughnacloy - Derry:
A special mention for the NI's A5, with the Irish government committing €25m every year from 2016-2018. Construction on the first section from Derry - Strabane will begin in 2017, with another stretch from Omagh to Ballygawley to begin in 2019.
Expected opening (for the lot): 2028, pending upgrade of the N2 to meet the proposed Ballygawley to the border stretch.

Technique

marno21 wrote: »

A5 Aughnacloy - Derry:
A special mention for the NI's A5, with the Irish government committing €25m every year from 2016-2018. Construction on the first section from Derry - Strabane will begin in 2017, with another stretch from Omagh to Ballygawley to begin in 2019.
Expected opening (for the lot): 2028, pending upgrade of the N2 to meet the proposed Ballygawley to the border stretch.

Will Brexit have any affect on this? Is there any EU funding involved?

marno21

Technique wrote: »

Will Brexit have any affect on this? Is there any EU funding involved?

There is no EU funding, however Wesley Johnston remarked that the EU Habitats Directive was causing issues with the progression of elements of the scheme, which will no longer apply.

L1011

marno21 wrote: »

There is no EU funding, however Wesley Johnston remarked that the EU Habitats Directive was causing issues with the progression of elements of the scheme, which will no longer apply.

It won't cease to apply until the final negotiated exit date or 24 months after A.50, whichever is first - if at all, as the EEA membership option still imposes the vast bulk of EU rules. Its far more likely we'd pull our funding (again) before that happened; so they'll have to find a way to get the development approved in accordance with it anyway.

PoolDude

I don't see the Oilgate bypass listed there, yet there seems to have been money allocated for the early stages of that work