Premier League in Danger of Losing 4th Champions League Spot

citytillidie

kksaints wrote: »

How does teams from the same country playing each other affect the coefficient?

Just means only 1 team can score points unless it is drawn

Quarter final will be 1 team from England and 1 from Italy

GLaDOS

Chelsea and Juventus will have a big say on how the rest of the points for the season pan out. If Juve can get past Bayern and Chelsea are knocked out it will be 2/6 for Italy and 3/8 for England which isn't a huge difference when you take averaging into account.

That Europa league draw was kind to Lazio, while United v Liverpool and Spurs v Dortmund is not so good for the English teams.

Mushy

One loss in the CL, two losses in the EL and one win too, I can't see this looking too good for English clubs.

What exactly needs to be done to stay ahead of Italy?

citytillidie

Mushy wrote: »

One loss in the CL, two losses in the EL and one win too, I can't see this looking too good for English clubs.

What exactly needs to be done to stay ahead of Italy?

Keep ahead of Italy who had one loss and a draw this week

astonaidan

Mushy wrote: »

One loss in the CL, two losses in the EL and one win too, I can't see this looking too good for English clubs.

What exactly needs to be done to stay ahead of Italy?

citytillidie wrote: »

Keep ahead of Italy who had one loss and a draw this week

So essentially City have to get further than Juve and Liverpool have to get further than Lazio
Juve and going to Bayern with 2 away goals against them, city are pretty much already through.
Liverpool are goals up against United, who are English if they turn it around so makes no difference and Lazio drew with the Czech team.
I think they will fine

DubDani

The Danger for England is not necessarily this year, but the next 2 years.

Italy will loose 4 points less then England next season, which brings them pretty much even. So next season England will have to do much better, as in 2 years Italy will again loose 2 points less then England.

I think they key is for English teams to take the Europe League more seriously. I can't understand the English mentality of getting to the last 16 and then to literally give a tie away by fielding a second string, like Tottenham yesterday.

citytillidie

What is hurting England is there number of spots this season with West Ham getting in through the fair play

England currently have 97 points divided by 8 gives them 12.125

Italy have 69 points but only 6 teams so divided by 6 gives them 11.500

If England had their normal 7 spots they would have 13.857

Tomagotchye

DubDani wrote: »

I think they key is for English teams to take the Europe League more seriously. I can't understand the English mentality of getting to the last 16 and then to literally give a tie away by fielding a second string, like Tottenham yesterday.

I can in the case of Spurs. Challenging for a league for first time in donkey's years, probably going to qualify for champions league next year. Europa League is not a priority for Spurs and shouldn't be. Liverpool and United should take it seriously since their season is over in all other ways

Andersonisgod

Tomagotchye wrote: »

I can in the case of Spurs. Challenging for a league for first time in donkey's years, probably going to qualify for champions league next year. Europa League is not a priority for Spurs and shouldn't be. Liverpool and United should take it seriously since their season is over in all other ways

Plus they were playing Dortmund who'd just beat them anyway.

Paully D

Those who known much more about how this is progressing than me - is there much realistic chance of this happening over the next few years?

Jayop

Paully D wrote: »

Those who known much more about how this is progressing than me - is there much realistic chance of this happening over the next few years?

With Spurs and Leicester in the Champions League next year it'll likely cost the Premiership points because both will be pool 4 teams and will struggle to progress past the group stages as a result.

DubDani

Jayop wrote: »

With Spurs and Leicester in the Champions League next year it'll likely cost the Premiership points because both will be pool 4 teams and will struggle to progress past the group stages as a result.

Leicester would actually be seeded in Pool 1, as English champions. New CL seeding, which puts all the major champions into Pool 1, disregarding their co-efficient.

Jayop

DubDani wrote: »

Leicester would actually be seeded in Pool 1, as English champions. New CL seeding, which puts all the major champions into Pool 1, disregarding their co-efficient.

Ah yes, I had read that but forgot about it. So that will give them some chance avoiding the really big dogs in the group stage.

greendom

Is that eventual loss for Juventus good news for the EPL

Jayop

Any Italian teams going out of either Euro Comp is good news for the PL.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Twitter says 4th place safe for another year. Man City result better than Juves

Arghus

What about in the unlikely event that Lazio win the Europa league?

Edit: Just read there that the absolute maximum amount of points Lazio can accrue is 2.5. England is 3.97 points ahead, which means it's safe for now.

Interestingly, it's next year things may become hairy as the scores from 11-12 will be removed. This will leave Italy and England next to level, so Italian teams will only have to roughly match the results of English teams to affect the coefficient for the amount of teams in Europe from 2018-2019 onwards. This year they had to do marginly better.

Martin Atkinson saves 4th English CL place

citytillidie

Arghus wrote: »

What about in the unlikely event that Lazio win the Europa league?

Edit: Just read there that the absolute maximum amount of points Lazio can accrue is 2.5. England is 3.97 points ahead, which means it's safe for now.

Interestingly, it's next year things may become hairy as the scores from 11-12 will be removed. This will leave Italy and England next to level, so Italian teams will only have to roughly match the results of English teams to affect the coefficient for the amount of teams in Europe from 2018-2019 onwards. This year they had to do marginly better.

England score next year will be divided by 7 and not 8, and hopefully those in the Europa league will not give up like 2 teams did this year

5starpool

Lazio 2 down early on at home to Sparta Prague, so not looking like they will progress either which would be good for English clubs as well.