Clery's O'Connell Street is gone

L1011

Nothing ever prices fast food off cities main streets. All you can hope for is less tacky facades if even. Look at Oxford/Regent Street, Damrak, Champs Elysees etc

Mellor

Beefy78 wrote: »

She said: “There is a lot wrong with the plan. We are not Abu Dhabi here. This is O’Connell St. O’Connell St is a working-class area for decent, hard-working people. No one wants an open-top bar on O’Connell St."
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Equating a 6 story building with Abu Dhabi is the kind of ridiculous idea you get with Dublin planning.

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

I hope they don't build high in O'Connell Street, anything planned should not dwarf the rest of the street. Not interested in a glass topped bar, but a glass topped restaurant might be nice, on one of our sunnier days of course!

6 Stories isn't high. It's currently 4 stories.
There would most likely be required to set back the upper two stories, rendering the addition far less visible from the street.

uch wrote: »

I hope they refuse all planning for these cnuts, put a preservation order on it, and let them stew

Why would you want that?

As it stands, It's definitely a protected structure. In particular the facade and clock.

cgcsb

My god so much begrudging. O'Connell st needs a bit of gentrification please, it's rough as a bulls arse.

endacl

Gentrification? The whole are needs starting all over again....

5rtytry56

cgcsb wrote: »

My god so much begrudging. O'Connell st needs a bit of gentrification please, it's rough as a bulls arse.

Burger Street? And the "buskers" with the karoake machines...........:(

Beefy78

I don't even know what "working-class area for decent hard-working people" is even supposed to mean.

cgcsb

endacl wrote: »

Gentrification? The whole are needs starting all over again....

5rtytry56 wrote: »

Burger Street? And the "buskers" with the karoake machines...........:(

What do either of the above mean?

Jellybaby1

cgcsb wrote: »

My god so much begrudging. O'Connell st needs a bit of gentrification please, it's rough as a bulls arse.

Don't think I am being accused of begrudging, am I? I do hope they do something really nice with it. It was quite a lovely street in the 50's/60's with some pretty good shops.

Lt Dan

Beefy78 wrote: »

I don't even know what "working-class area for decent hard-working people" is even supposed to mean.

Strumpet City? Penny Apples? Come let us get a bit of auld Coodle and yearn for the "Dublin in the rare auld times"

Let us march to Moore Street, needs some knock off cigarettes and razor blades.

Interested Observer

You don't work hard if you're not working class or something?

I obviously have sympathy with with Clerys workers but I very much hope this goes ahead, the street desperately needs redevelopment and Clerys sitting closed benefits absolutely nobody. There is no point whatsoever in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

tricky D

@Old Bill please familiarise yourself with the last item in the charter before posting again. Such generalisations add nothing to the discussion. Do not respond to this on thread. You can PM me instead if you want to discuss.

Spanish Eyes

If things start to improve investment wise in OCS that would only be a good thing. It is dead except for fast food and Ann Summers/Penneys. No real incentive to visit the street except to catch a bus somewhere.

And IF things start to improve, I really hope DCC get rid of the homeless circus outside the GPO at nighttime. Queues of all sorts getting food parcels, sleeping bags, and wait for it.... haircuts sitting on a high stool in front of everyone passing by, natives and tourists alike.

No problem with helping the less fortunate, but the location on this street is innapropriate to say the least of it.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but honestly, that street will NEVER amount to anything unless it is gentrified and properly policed. That is the reality.

Lt Dan

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If things start to improve investment wise in OCS that would only be a good thing. It is dead except for fast food and Ann Summers/Penneys. No real incentive to visit the street except to catch a bus somewhere.

And IF things start to improve, I really hope DCC get rid of the homeless circus outside the GPO at nighttime. Queues of all sorts getting food parcels, sleeping bags, and wait for it.... haircuts sitting on a high stool in front of everyone passing by, natives and tourists alike.

No problem with helping the less fortunate, but the location on this street is innapropriate to say the least of it.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but honestly, that street will NEVER amount to anything unless it is gentrified and properly policed. That is the reality.

If anyone is offended, then to hell with them. We want a safe street , not a market or jungle

miamee

A friend on Facebook just posted that the brass Clerys signage is being removed from the front of the shop right now. Sad times.

I wonder if that is a sign of movement on a new project or just removing all signs of Clerys, literally.

Dancor

miamee wrote: »

A friend on Facebook just posted that the brass Clerys signage is being removed from the front of the shop right now. Sad times.

I wonder if that is a sign of movement on a new project or just removing all signs of Clerys, literally.

It was stolen, apparently.

miamee

Dancor wrote: »

It was stolen, apparently.

He has photos of the sign actually being removed in broad daylight with a few onlookers. Perhaps one was stolen so they are removing the rest for safe keeping

ongarboy

First Look: Dublin City Council gives green light for former Clery's building http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/first-look-dublin-city-council-gives-green-light-for-former-clerys-building-35282263.html

Council grant permission to new development that will create over 2000 jobs!

expectationlost

Planning Application Reference: 3442/16

http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3442/16&theTabNo=2&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=3110060%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=3715088%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=APNID:DESC%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=3110060%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

Condition 9. The developer shall submit full details of all external signage to the hotel and office development, and shall obtain the written agreement of the planning authority in this regard prior to operation of the buildings. All external signage shall
Condition 12. Any security shutters and casings shall be recessed behind the glazing and shall be factory finished in a single colour to match the colour scheme of the building prior to erection. Shutters shall be of the open lattice type, and shall not be
Condition 13. Prior to commencement of development full details of the materials, colours and textures of all external finishes to the new build elements of the development, including the hotel, office extension and the new façade to Earl Place, shall be
Condition 14. Prior to commencement of development the developer shall submit full details of the layout and mix of uses on the rooftop space on the Clerys building, to include a publcly accessible viewing area. Any change of use of the space thereafter
Condition 15. In seeking to achieve the vision set out in the Scheme of Special Planning Control for O’Connell Street and Environs (2016) the developer and/or contractor, including any subcontractors, is requested to commit to working with Dublin City
Condition 16. Prior to commencement of development the developer shall submit details of arrangements for the storage and maintenance (including repair/cleaning if necessary) and re-erection of the ‘Clerys’ and other historic crests/plaques that were
Condition 18. The following requirements of the Engineering Department (Drainage Division) shall be complied with:
Condition 19.. The developer is required to ascertain and fully comply with the requirements of TII to ensure that no aspect of the proposed development unreasonably interferes with or delays the works and operational requirements of TII in respect of the
Condition 20. The following requirements of the Roads and Traffic Planning Division shall be complied with:
Condition 21. The developer shall comply with the following waste management requirements:
Condition 22. The developer shall comply with the waste management standards for commercial/industrial developments):
Condition 28. a. No construction or site preparation work may be carried out on the site until all archaeological requirements of the City Archaeologist are complied with.
Condition 2.. Prior to commencement of development full details of the configuration of the basement, ground and first floor retail floorspace in the main Clerys building, which shall include no more than three main units (exclusive of the ancillary café/retail
Condition 3. In the case of the units described as café/restaurant, retail/restaurant/café, café/restaurant/bar and café/restaurant/retail/retail services/bar along the south side of Earl Place, full details of the eventual use of these units shall be submitted to
Condition 4. The unit shown as a café/restaurant which has its sole frontage to north Earl Street shall be a retail unit. The retail use shall be in accordance with the requirements of the Scheme of Special Planning Control for O’Connell Street and Environs
Condition 5. All external signage to the units on Earl Place and North Earl Street shall consist of individual lettering mounted onto the fascia or directly onto the façade of the building, as appropriate, with the lettering to be in a material such as stainless
Condition 6. The restaurant/café units shall not incorporate a takeaway or delivery service, other than where clearly ancillary to the main use as a seated restaurant (e.g. the sale of tea/coffee or sandwiches for consumption off the premises).
Condition 7. Prior to occupation of any of the restaurant/café units including those in the hotel, the developer shall submit a scheme, to be approved in writing by the planning authority, for the effective control of fumes and odours from the premises. The
Condition 8. The ground floor café/restaurant units in the hotel shall generally be open to the public during normal opening hours.
Condition 25. Bond Condition
Condition 1. Standard Permission Condition including Further Information (11/11/2016)
Condition 17. General Condition - Code of Practice - See Appendix 1
Condition 23. C340 Hours of Work (see Development Plan para 15.37.0)
Condition C350 Noise Levels
Condition 26. C370 Street Cleaning during Demolition and Construction
Condition 27. The works hereby approved shall be carried out under the professional supervision on-site of an architect or
Condition 10. C550 Signs and Advertisements
Condition 11. C560 Shop windows - glazing

conditions mostly related to construction or food unit
seem to have gotten everything what they wanted included the chance to freeze your ass off on the roof

L1011

Condition 16 needs to be rigorously enforced. This is basically going to be our equivalent of The Light in Leeds* (albeit that was a building society HQ) and it has annihilated any history of what it was other than the buildings themselves.


*In so far as its a notable, historic building right in the middle of the main street of the city, being redeveloped. Its a little smaller, I think.

miamee

expectationlost wrote: »

conditions mostly related to construction or food unit
seem to have gotten everything what they wanted included the chance to freeze your ass off on the roof

It might seem like a mad idea but the rooftop bar in the Marker Hotel is very popular. Outdoor heaters and plenty of blankets, be grand :pac:

Snickers Man

Where are they going to put the Apple Superstore?

:D:D:D:D:D:D

sabat

The only situation in which Apple will open a bricks and mortar shop here is if the Irish government lose their current appeal over their tax status, and even then it's no certainty. Apparently having a physical retail presence would have a direct effect on their residency status and make them automatically liable for billions-hence the real reason why a European city with a young population and tens of thousands of tech workers is mysteriously lacking an Apple Store.

Ben D Bus

sabat wrote: »

The only situation in which Apple will open a bricks and mortar shop here is if the Irish government lose their current appeal over their tax status, and even then it's no certainty. Apparently having a physical retail presence would have a direct effect on their residency status and make them automatically liable for billions-hence the real reason why a European city with a young population and tens of thousands of tech workers is mysteriously lacking an Apple Store.

How would retail matter when they employ thousands in physical premises at the moment, and have done for decades?

Citation please!

doe_juffy

Might as well turn it into another homeless shelter.

sabat

Ben D Bus wrote: »

How would retail matter when they employ thousands in physical premises at the moment, and have done for decades?

Citation please!

I can't find any links right now but I believe it's because having a retail shop would, in the eyes of Revenue, transform the current way they book the majority of revenue from global iphone sales in Ireland as largely made up of abstract, easily transferable, patents and intellectual property into being treated as a company which sells a tangible, retail, VAT rateable product at €700 a pop.

newacc2015

sabat wrote: »

The only situation in which Apple will open a bricks and mortar shop here is if the Irish government lose their current appeal over their tax status, and even then it's no certainty. Apparently having a physical retail presence would have a direct effect on their residency status and make them automatically liable for billions-hence the real reason why a European city with a young population and tens of thousands of tech workers is mysteriously lacking an Apple Store.

It was in their EU case, that Apple had a company here that non-resident. Apple was advised that if they opened a store in Ireland, the company would be resident and liable for tax. If you think about it, Dublin is one of the richest cities in Europe and it doesnt have an Apple Store.

alastair

newacc2015 wrote: »

It was in their EU case, that Apple had a company here that non-resident. Apple was advised that if they opened a store in Ireland, the company would be resident and liable for tax. If you think about it, Dublin is one of the richest cities in Europe and it doesnt have an Apple Store.

An Applestore in Dublin wouldn't make Apple tax resident, any more than their factory in Cork has, and it's been here since 1980. It's not the reason they haven't opened one.

L1011

newacc2015 wrote: »

It was in their EU case, that Apple had a company here that non-resident. Apple was advised that if they opened a store in Ireland, the company would be resident and liable for tax. If you think about it, Dublin is one of the richest cities in Europe and it doesnt have an Apple Store.

Like the 4000+ staff here don't?

AlmightyCushion

newacc2015 wrote: »

It was in their EU case, that Apple had a company here that non-resident. Apple was advised that if they opened a store in Ireland, the company would be resident and liable for tax. If you think about it, Dublin is one of the richest cities in Europe and it doesnt have an Apple Store.

That doesn't matter any more as the loophole that allowed them to do that was closed a few years ago.

Snickers Man

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That doesn't matter any more as the loophole that allowed them to do that was closed a few years ago.

Apple has always treated its Irish customers with utter contempt. One of the last countries in Europe to be able to purchase music from iTunes, awful service, expensive prices etc etc

But with geeks as with women, you gotta treat 'em mean to keep 'em keen.

Oh and Steve Jobs DIDN'T change the world.