Leaving Dogs outside all day

PucaMama

Deleted User wrote: »

I detest ownership of dogs in anywhere except the countryside of Ireland or a fairly similar environment.
Where I live, there are absolutely massive dogs with huge coats that are paraded around as a status symbol. The poor things are dying under their own fur which is suited to a more northern climate.

I can do nothing about it because well, that's where I live.

do your research you obviously know nothing about those dogs and their coat types. you probably think if those dogs were shaved/clipped they would do better which is wrong their coats protect from both heat and cold.

also theirs nothing wrong with owning large breeds like these. we have 3 dogs one of them is a german shepherd x malamute. you assume people have them as a status symbol. maybe they like the breed?

Discodog

Areyouwell wrote: »

Not true. Anybody bitten while on a dogs territoy (owners home) hasn't a leg to stand on. There was a case (in county Sligo I think) a couple of year ago, where a canvasser enterered onto a property in full view of a dog. There was a warning sign on the gate and to compound the persons stupidity, the dog was a German Shepperd. The idiot opened the gate, walked in and the dog badly savaged her arm. She ended up needing several surgeries.

The judge threw her case our of court, said she was duly warned by the sign and by the prescence of a barking dog. Yet she completely ignored it. He blamed her for her injuries and said the dog was only protecting its home. He said the dog owner took due care to put a sign up, keeping the gate closed and ensuring dog was within his own property boundaries.

I know of a similar case involving a GSD in Dublin. It was the subject of a thread in the Animal & Pets forum here. The dog didn't even bite but it was seized by the Warden & impounded pending Court action. The dog remained on the Pound for months & the owner was denied access. The owner was put under huge pressure to agree to have the dog put down.

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

Not true. Under section 22 of the Control of Dogs Act act the District Court, upon complaint, would have to decide that a dog is dangerous and not being kept under control in order to rule that the dog be destroyed.
As for Beware of the dog signs, these can be an admission that your dog is dangerous and has indeed been taken as a indication that the dog is neither under control nor safe to own.

The Warden may well impound the dog as above. In Court the prosecution may use the "what if it were a child" or the postman. The dog will be assumed to be guilty unless the owner can prove otherwise. I have personally attended cases like this & I have seen a Judge ignore the evidence of a qualified behaviourist.

A postman was awarded €22000 to be paid by the dog owner even though he put his hand in the letter box.

At the end of the day why take the risk ?

YurOK2

I wouldn't feel safe leaving my dogs outside without my husband or I being present. I would be too afraid somebody would steal one of them, far too many dogs being stolen these days. As it is, even when we are home, the dogs aren't allowed outside on their own, one of us is always with them.
A few years ago, a dog was stolen out of our garden. I went outside with the dogs and it started to rain, I walked back into the house, got my jacket and walked back out into the garden and in that time, one of our dogs was taken from our garden and never seen again.

PucaMama

PucaMama wrote: »

do your research you obviously know nothing about those dogs and their coat types. you probably think if those dogs were shaved/clipped they would do better which is wrong their coats protect from both heat and cold.

also theirs nothing wrong with owning large breeds like these. we have 3 dogs one of them is a german shepherd x malamute. you assume people have them as a status symbol. maybe they like the breed?

It gets to 39c with over 80% humidity, no breeze and the general extra heat of a city.. People can barely be outside but they have their giant shaggy dogs that look visibly distressed.

PucaMama

Deleted User wrote: »

It gets to 39c with over 80% humidity, no breeze and the general extra heat of a city.. People can barely be outside but they have their giant shaggy dogs that look visibly distressed.

again, do your research. i dont trust your judgement on a dog looking distressed if you dont even know why it has the kind of coat you think is shaggy.

PucaMama

PucaMama wrote: »

again, do your research. i dont trust your judgement on a dog looking distressed if you dont even know why it has the kind of coat you think is shaggy.

Fine, I will. But foreigners here are always disgusted at having dogs imported from cold countries so I was going of that general consensus.

PucaMama

What has foreigners got to do with it? Il have whatever breed of dog I want. Its irrelevant what anyone else thinks.

borderlinemeath

Deleted User wrote: »

It gets to 39c with over 80% humidity, no breeze and the general extra heat of a city.. People can barely be outside but they have their giant shaggy dogs that look visibly distressed.

You really need to do a bit of research before making statements like that. A quick wikipedia search will tell you that the hottest temperature in Ireland was 33.3 way back in 1887. We have a mild temperate climate. Even in our main cities it doesn't get as muggy as you exaggerate.

Fine, I will. But foreigners here are always disgusted at having dogs imported from cold countries so I was going of that general consensus.

Foreigners. Experts the lot of them.

Actually, to generalise as you have done, a lot of foreigners walk their pets on prong collars, which are cruel and painful to a dog, not to mention the behavioural damage that they cause. They're very popular with Eastern Europeans and Americans, who are also fond of ear cropping, another cruel practice which has no benefit apart from the fact that they seem to find it aesthetically pleasing. Never mind that it effects communication with other dogs and as such effects their socialisation skills.

Yep, foreigners, they know all about dogs. A bit like a good few posters on this thread.:rolleyes:

Goat Paddock

borderlinemeath wrote: »

You really need to do a bit of research before making statements like that. A quick wikipedia search will tell you that the hottest temperature in Ireland was 33.3 way back in 1887. We have a mild temperate climate. Even in our main cities it doesn't get as muggy as you exaggerate.

Obviously they are not talking about Ireland!!!!??

maggiepip

I did hear the DSPCA on the radio a while ago saying these dogs should not be living in an Irish climate, its just too hot for them. Not great if they're giving out wrong information.

borderlinemeath

Goat Paddock wrote: »

Obviously they are not talking about Ireland!!!!??

In the first post they state

I detest ownership of dogs in anywhere except the countryside of Ireland or a fairly similar environment.

so if they're going to talk about dog ownership in Ireland their posts should be relevent. If he's referring to somewhere else then that's confusing the issue.

316

Goat Paddock wrote: »

Obviously they are not talking about Ireland!!!!??

Andy is from Sligo.

Discodog

maggiepip wrote: »

I did hear the DSPCA on the radio a while ago saying these dogs should not be living in an Irish climate, its just too hot for them. Not great if they're giving out wrong information.

The DSPCA are a voluntary animal welfare organisation. They aren't experts. I suspect that the interview was broadcast after the Clare "Husky" incident.

The local warden was an ISPCA employee as the Pound was run by the ISPCA. His knowledge of dog species & dog behaviour was atrocious.

It was the same Pound that took in 200 Greyhounds & didn't rehome any of them. They were all killed.

maggiepip

Discodog wrote: »

The DSPCA are a voluntary animal welfare organisation. They aren't experts. I suspect that the interview was broadcast after the Clare "Husky" incident.

The local warden was an ISPCA employee as the Pound was run by the ISPCA. His knowledge of dog species & dog behaviour was atrocious.

It was the same Pound that took in 200 Greyhounds & didn't rehome any of them. They were all killed.

Lol, it was actually after the husky incident! Yeah left me wondering whos right or wrong, you would think an organisation like the DSPCA would be giving out factual information.

Egginacup

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

whats your view on people owning dog(s) and going out to work all day and leaving them locked up in the back yard - do you think its ok or maybe a form of neglect?

What do you also think about people who 'would never have a dog in the house!'

What do you think when people leave them outside in the freezing cold temperatures or boiling hot temperatures in the back yard .

According to one animal welfare person I talked to once as long as they have fresh water and a kennel/shelter they are not classed as being neglected and the way the law stands nothing can be done - even if the dog(s) continuously bark throughout the day (and sometimes into the night!)

Depends on the size of the dog. Big dogs are a nightmare. They need loads of exercise and eat massive quantities. Smaller dogs like Jack Russells are easier to maintain. They can be left out side for a while to piss, etc. a half an hour run around the park everyday and they'll happily lounge in their basket by the telly for the rest of the day.

Low maintenance mutts.

Discodog

maggiepip wrote: »

Lol, it was actually after the husky incident! Yeah left me wondering whos right or wrong, you would think an organisation like the DSPCA would be giving out factual information.

It was the classic Irish situation. "Husky" bites child therefore the problem must be with anything that is or looks like a Husky. It's like doggy racism.

The sad thing is that the ISPCA & SPCA's just don't have the money they need. Last time I looked the ISPCA only had 4 Inspectors for the whole country.

scdublin

My dog is usually inside during the day (he doesn't like being out for too long on his own and will bark like mad) and then outside for most of the evening. I don't think either is the "right" way to do it...it depends on the dog, the size of the garden, how often they're walked etc.

borderlinemeath

borderlinemeath wrote: »

You really need to do a bit of research before making statements like that. A quick wikipedia search will tell you that the hottest temperature in Ireland was 33.3 way back in 1887. We have a mild temperate climate. Even in our main cities it doesn't get as muggy as you exaggerate.

Foreigners. Experts the lot of them.

Actually, to generalise as you have done, a lot of foreigners walk their pets on prong collars, which are cruel and painful to a dog, not to mention the behavioural damage that they cause. They're very popular with Eastern Europeans and Americans, who are also fond of ear cropping, another cruel practice which has no benefit apart from the fact that they seem to find it aesthetically pleasing. Never mind that it effects communication with other dogs and as such effects their socialisation skills.

Yep, foreigners, they know all about dogs. A bit like a good few posters on this thread.:rolleyes:

I thought it was exceptionally obvious that I wasn't talking about Ireland. In my first post, I even singled out Ireland as a good place for them.

Andy From Sligo

316 wrote: »

Andy is from Sligo.

eh what? - what am I being blame for now?

323

Dog stays outside all day, wife may be in our out but the dog would normally be left out if we were to be gone all day. Acre of garden and bushes, fine. Dogs are meant to be outside.

John_Rambo

323 wrote: »

Dog stays outside all day, wife may be in our out but the dog would normally be left out if we were to be gone all day. Acre of garden and bushes, fine. Dogs are meant to be outside.

Suppose it's better if theirs more than one, they have company. Still not ideal. (For the dogs)

briany

Wait, this thread is weird. I've had dogs before as pets. They would be fed, they would hang out in the garden, run around and do their business (not a big garden, but grassy, about 200 sq feet), hang out inside with the family, get pets and sleep on the settee, go on walks. All the usual dog stuff. Wrong?

I suppose it is true - people have very strong opinions on how dogs, and pets in general should be treated, and you're likely to be scolded by the other side. Is it wrong to keep a dog to have a dog unless you have acres of property now, even if it gets walks and all the rest?

I've seen some dogs who were neglected, in the sense that their owners just let them wander about the estate and do their own thing, and the door was shut to them most of the time. They'd follow you home if you gave them even a half glance. Doesn't say much for a dog who was happy being left by itself.

Goat Paddock

Egginacup wrote: »

Depends on the size of the dog. Big dogs are a nightmare. They need loads of exercise and eat massive quantities. Smaller dogs like Jack Russells are easier to maintain. They can be left out side for a while to piss, etc. a half an hour run around the park everyday and they'll happily lounge in their basket by the telly for the rest of the day.

Low maintenance mutts.

You obviously don't know Jack Russell's very well.

Highly energetic, can run very long distances without tiring.

Mark Tapley

Goat Paddock wrote: »

You obviously don't know Jack Russell's very well.

Highly energetic, can run very long distances without tiring.

I have also read that greyhounds are right couch potatoes. I think it depends on the dog how much exercise is needed rather than the size.

AudreyHepburn

I think it depends on the dog although at the same time I do take issue with owners who refuse to let their dog in even for a few minutes - a dog is an animal yes, but an animal that needs care and attention. Dogs are pack animal, they shouldn't left alone. Locking the dog outside all day every day is tantamount to neglect imo.

Our dog is very much a house dog and would not be impressed at all if he were left outside all day. When we are out he has the run of the kitchen and utility room although lazy sod that he is he usually stays in bed asleep! If we are away for long periods of time he'll stay with my granny.

When we are there we just leave the kitchen door open and he can run in and out of the back the garden as he pleases.

A happy medium is best imo for both dog and owner.

NotASheeple

lulu1 wrote: »

Would you make your companion sleep outside.

If I could I would because according to her women don't fart, but I beg to differ.

Demonique

redbel05 wrote: »

I never understand why people have animals that they don't interact with beyond filling a food bowl. Is it some kind of status thing? Are they really so ignorant of an dogs needs that they think leaving them alone for ages without any kind of stimulation/ comfort is OK? Because that's the issue here, not whether the dog is inside/outside.

To be fair some of my animals don't care if they don't get any interaction beyond being fed. That being said those animals are scaly, don't have legs and tend to sleep a lot.

When we had a dog he was in the garden when there was no one in the house, but was in the house when there was someone at home.
He had blankets in the boiler house where he could shelter if it was raining or if it was too hot, but he preferred to nap under a tree.

We don't have a cat door so it's a case of letting the cat in when she meows to get in and letting her out when she meows to get out. Although some cases with her it's a case of 'let me in so I can immediately ask to go out again'

Guinea pigs have a hutch with a run attached, the door of the run is left open so they can go out into the garden, of course they only go into the run to eat and prefer to sleep under our shed (it was previously a hen house (we had a roost and nest box fitted) but the hens died of old age) instead of their run. If they think the weather is cold they'll decide to sleep in the boiler house instead of under the shed.

Dogs should be outside when people are at work/school, but with shelter and toys to keep them occupied.

Carson10

agent graves wrote: »

its a disgrace. i have a neighbour with 3 big dogs that are just left in the back garden day and night in these ****ty crates. sometimes the neighbour is gone for two or three days at a time but nothing can be done because they fill up a big bowl with food and another with water.. dog ownership laws need to be overhauled big time

please set them free

Discodog

Mark Tapley wrote: »

I have also read that greyhounds are right couch potatoes. I think it depends on the dog how much exercise is needed rather than the size.

My Greyhound prefers my lap to the couch. They are amazing dogs & wonderful pets.

My local Dog Warden came up with another reason to keep your dog indoors. He said that having the dog outside makes it easier to check up on dog licences.

Precious flower

People need to think long and hard before they take on an animal. They need to be responsible when deciding how much room/energy/time they can afford to give the dog. Dogs need stimulation and proper training just like humans more so more intelligent dogs. Bigger dogs needs more exercise. Dogs should never be left alone with children, ever. You cannot predict what the child will do as much as you can't predict what a dog might do. It really frustrates me when I see reports of dog biting children and certain dogs getting demonised for that behaviour. If you took five minutes to look at the owner and the dog's environment you'd soon realise it was not the dog at fault. People need to consider all these things before they own an animal. Really dogs should be working dogs/guard dogs. I really don't think a lot of families now a days have the room or energy to properly look after a dog.