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Super E3 2015 - General Discussion Turbo Redux Edition

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    #2102
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I don't have any hard and fast figures, but I'd say so. I remember reading a university study on video game piracy that suggested it was far more widespread on PC than on other platforms.

    When you consider a game like GTAV, with a reported development cost north of (it think it was) $270 million. Think of how many copies need to be sold to recoup that cost. The PC is not going to do that for you, but both consoles and the PC? It just makes sense.

    They made that back in a day


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    #2103
    cloud493
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    It was pretty obvious shenmue was never gonna made on 2m, or 10m even.


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    #2104
    Captain Chaos
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    What MS said was stay with us and we will screw you over every which way. It's out way or the high way. Then Sony came along and forced their hand, MS were not expecting that and were left very red faced. Then the sales figures just hammered it home and the result was MS at E3 this year, changed their tune completely.


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    #2105
    Maximus Alexander
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    They made that back in a day

    On console, not on PC, which is my point. Publishers expect to at least double their outlay on a title or it is considered a commercial failure. The lifetime sales of GTAV on PC alone won't double that.

    The PC version sold around 2 million copies in the first month. The console version sold more than 11 million in the first day.


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    #2106
    Kirby
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    Lets talk about e3 2015 please. Like the title says. Not what happened years ago. It just devolves into bickering.


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    #2107
    heebusjeebus
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    Sony are listening to what people want which is why they've brought Shenmue 3 to the table and recusitated Last Guardian.
    I dont see either game being huge sellers but at least they are getting behind them.


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    #2108
    Maximus Alexander
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    Kirby wrote: »
    Lets talk about e3 2015 please. Like the title says. Not what happened years ago. It just devolves into bickering.

    I don't spend much time around here, but I'm not bickering. I don't have a dog in the race, I like both PC and consoles for different reasons. I just think it's an interesting discussion.


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    #2109
    raze_them_all_
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    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    On console, not on PC, which is my point. Publishers expect to at least double their outlay on a title or it is considered a commercial failure. The lifetime sales of GTAV on PC alone won't double that.

    The PC version sold around 2 million copies in the first month. The console version sold more than 11 million in the first day.

    Which is what happens when you have seperate release dates nearly 2 years apart, I bought it on the 360 but you can bet your ass if they were launched all on the same day a **** load would of got it on pc not consoles


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    #2110
    FAILSAFE 00
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    So if Sony are puring millions into SHENMUE 3 already why did they come out begging gamers for millions.

    It should be pointed out that we have no idea how much money Sony is putting into it.

    They should have just made an announcement saying we're behind this 100% and you can enjoy it when it comes in 2017 on PS4 & PC.
    Nothing says we are uncertain than asking for Kickstarter money.

    You have to admit if it had of been Microsoft you'd all think it was low.


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    #2111
    raze_them_all_
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    FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »
    So if Sony are puring millions into SHENMUE 3 already why did they come out begging gamers for millions.

    It should be pointed out that we have no idea how much money Sony is putting into it.

    They should have just made an announcement saying we're behind this 100% and you can enjoy it when it comes in 2017 on PS4 & PC.
    Nothing says we are uncertain than asking for Kickstarter money.

    You have to admit if it had of been Microsoft you'd all think it was low.

    Yeah what are they like seeing is the market there. Scumbags.


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    #2112
    Maximus Alexander
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Which is what happens when you have seperate release dates nearly 2 years apart, I bought it on the 360 but you can bet your ass if they were launched all on the same day a **** load would of got it on pc not consoles

    For sure, I'll grant you that if it had been a PC exclusive first, followed by a console release later, the figures would be different. You'd even have had lapsed PC gamers rushing out to buy new machines just to get it. But do you really think it would have done 11+ million in 24 hours? I don't.

    Regardless, the risk of piracy on PC, whether perceived or actual, scares developers away from doing this.


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    #2113
    RasTa
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    heebusjeebus wrote: »
    Sony are listening to what people want which is why they've brought Shenmue 3 to the table and recusitated Last Guardian.
    I dont see either game being huge sellers but at least they are getting behind them.

    This! I'be surprised if either of these games make it into the top 10 when they are released.


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    #2114
    raze_them_all_
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    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    For sure, I'll grant you that if it had been a PC exclusive first, followed by a console release later, the figures would be different. You'd even have had lapsed PC gamers rushing out to buy new machines just to get it. But do you really think it would have done 11+ million in 24 hours? I don't.

    Regardless, the risk of piracy on PC, whether perceived or actual, scares developers away from doing this.

    Not 11 million but 7 million? easily. Then it'd sell a **** ton on consoles also as console gamers wont buy/build a pc to play a game. But plenty of pc gamers have consoles.


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    #2115
    FAILSAFE 00
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Yeah what are they like seeing is the market there. Scumbags.
    If they didn't know the market was there they are seriously incompetent.

    It doesn't take millions upon millions to gauge what gamers want.


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    #2116
    raze_them_all_
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    FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »
    If they didn't know the market was there they are seriously incompetent.

    It doesn't take millions upon millions to gauge what gamers want.

    and here's the beauty, if the market wasnt there, everyone who donated would of gotten the money back, now people have the game for 29 dollars.


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    #2117
    Generic Dreadhead
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    and here's the beauty, if the market wasnt there, everyone who donated would of gotten the money back, now people have the game for 29 dollars.

    So now it's not a Win-Win.... it's a Win-Win-Win.... Win


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    #2118
    RasTa
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    Cormac... wrote: »
    So now it's not a Win-Win.... it's a Win-Win-Win.... Win

    Small loss down to the exchange rate, although I'm paying €26 for Shenmue 3, woohooo.


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    #2119
    FAILSAFE 00
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    and here's the beauty, if the market wasnt there, everyone who donated would of gotten the money back, now people have the game for 29 dollars.
    We'll get it for $30 on PC anyway.

    It's just a shame. I hate to see fans of an amazing franchise being taken by Sony for millions.

    Sony should have stood up proudly and said we are 100% behind this. There was no need for the Kick Starter. It's sad when we see a power house like Sony afraid to back something FULLY that everyone knows would be amazing.

    Anyways... Will people please start funding my Forza 7 kick starter. When it hits 5 million raised Microsoft will get behind it.


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    #2120
    raze_them_all_
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    FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »
    We'll get it for $30 on PC anyway.

    It's just a shame. I hate to see fans of an amazing franchise being taken by Sony for millions.

    Sony should have stood up proudly and said we are 100% behind this. There was no need for the Kick Starter. It's sad when we see a power house like Sony afraid to back something FULLY that everyone knows would be amazing.

    Anyways... Will people please start funding my Forza 7 kick starter. When it hits 5 million raised Microsoft will get behind it.

    sure no problem, just off you go to get microsofts permission to use the licence and what not, then all the car companies, should be simple enough after all your name is connected to forza in such a strong way


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    #2121
    rizzla
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    How would people feel when Shenmue 3 is complete and it launches as a PS Plus game for that month after donating?


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    #2122
    RasTa
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    Why didn't Microsoft fund it anyway considering they had Shenmue 2 on the Xbox.


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    #2123
    Generic Dreadhead
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    rizzla wrote: »
    How would people feel when Shenmue 3 is complete and it launches as a PS Plus game for that month after donating?

    Same way I'd feel about most other wild speculation....

    Wildly ambivalent


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    #2124
    Captain Chaos
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    Did Persona 5 get a shout at the Sony show, can't find much more new info on it.


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    #2125
    rizzla
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    Cormac... wrote: »
    Same way I'd feel about most other wild speculation....

    Wildly ambivalent

    My reasoning was because Massive Chalice was funded on Kickstarter but was a Games with Gold. It's not unheard of.


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    #2126
    Generic Dreadhead
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    rizzla wrote: »
    My reasoning was because Massive Chalice was funded on Kickstarter but was a Games with Gold. It's not unheard of.

    You still get the game... others still get the game....

    Unless your train of thought is that you don't want others to play it given they haven't paid donated


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    #2127
    raze_them_all_
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    rizzla wrote: »
    My reasoning was because Massive Chalice was funded on Kickstarter but was a Games with Gold. It's not unheard of.

    It's not common.and the budgets of the games will be nowhere near the same


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    #2128
    Shiminay
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    I too find it distasteful that a brand the size of Sony would use Kickstarter to do it's market research and even more so that they'd do it on the main stage of E3 - I dunno, it just doesn't seem quite right to me.

    I still have a Dreamcast and Shenmue at home, I never played it, looks like I'll have to see if I can power it all up and get it working on a modern LCD screen :)


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    #2129
    rizzla
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    Cormac... wrote: »
    You still get the game... others still get the game....

    Unless your train of thought is that you don't want others to play it given they haven't paid donated

    I have no problem, just curious. I would like it to happen to see what the general reaction is.

    I'm looking forward to playing it though.


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    #2130
    Generic Dreadhead
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    rizzla wrote: »
    I have no problem, just curious. I would like it to happen to see what the general reaction is

    Some people just want to see the world burn.... :pac:


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    #2131
    bradlente
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    The Shenmue thing feels like an experiment on their part to find out just how pissed off or receptive people would be to the idea.The majority of fan reaction will give them the information they want.If what they did does no damage to their sales then it'll likely happen again.I think it will happen again considering how many people are throwing money at them.
    Followed most of the goings on here and it was gas.If I play one game from everything on display it'll be Cuphead,that's the only game I seen and felt I will need to play it when it's released (don't play much anymore).


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