S05 Ep10 - "Mother's Mercy" - HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS

Puddle Q

lbj666 wrote: »

There's a clause in her contract saying no nudity. Emelia Clarke (Dany) was the same. They were getting bothered about the amount nudey scene that maybe expected of them.

Dany was happy enough getting it all out in earlier series !

Dan_Solo

Brancott wrote: »

What was the Miranda one babbling about with the bow and arrow in her hand.
Were she to kill Sansa then Ramsey would have her flayed, she seemed to be doing lots of talking & making no sense.

Stannis, the greatest military commander of our time getting ass whooped in a turkey shoot, Shireen all for nothing.
Have to believe that Brianne put him out of his misery.

Many believing that the red witch just rolling into Castle Black hours before Jon's murder is too coincidental, I think they might be right, we'll see although she obviously rode the Derby winner as Davos had left days previous & only just arrived.

Why didn't Jamie turn the boat around the minute Mycella started bleeding ?.
He would have known through Bronn that these poisons have antidotes.
The sandsnakes are the single worse thing to appear on this show, the writers will march these off to Poochieland once they realise the online hate for these characters.

I haven't a single clue what Ayra has been doing all season but nice to see peado boy get one.

The Cersei scene really captured how harrowing it was from her perspective.
The CGI only slipped once or twice.
Wait until she finds out her daughter is dead now too.
I see the Mountain is black now too, interesting development.

All good points. Why was Stannis determined to die to capture Winterfell when he had no problem turning tail at King's Landing? Even if every horse in Westeros hadn't been at Winterfell, he must have known well his few hundred knackered men couldn't lay siege to a hen house.
I can't see why the Watch would take the Red Witch in either. They must know she's bad news and had some affiliation with Jon?
Don't see yer wan in Dorne getting away with that poisoning. Waaay too obvious to everybody exactly what happened, even if Bronn didn't mention the poison to Jaime. Maybe she doesn't care, but that's surely her and her coven of tarts dead on the spot?

Lovely Bloke

Not sure if Lena Heady ever had a nude scene in GOT?

Mickeroo

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Not sure if Lena Heady ever had a nude scene in GOT?

He meant to say Dany not Dang.

Dan_Solo

Also, Stannis had the worst camp security possible. Guys wander in and out burning the place down and stealing all the horses (and nobody thought to tell him until breakfast was finished?). This was an army so massive that the wildlings surrendered on the spot to them, and only a handful make it to Winterfell?

Vojera

Even if an actor didn't have a no-nudity clause, that wasn't your average nude scene. I don't think there are many out there who would be comfortable doing it; outdoor setting, hundreds of extras, that absolute bitch shouting "Shame" at you the whole way, it wouldn't be easy.

Also, that septa one reminded me of all the evil nuns I've ever known. I hope Cersei kills her slowly.

whatawaster

I don’t think Jon is dead, or rather that he will stay dead. There is no other reason for Red-Riding-Hood to be at Castle Black other than to intervene in this situation. She learnt from Thoros that resurrection is possible, and has probably found a way to do it herself. I don’t like it, as I think the fact that Jon was stupid enough to walk into that trap was out of character for him, and him being resurrected anyway makes it all feel very cheap.

If he is not dead, it renders so much of the previous few seasons kind of pointless. So much of our time was invested in Jon. Was he just a vehicle through which to show us the wall, the white-walkers etc. I really hope not.

I know other characters have died, but none of this significance. There are several characters I believed were “untouchable” as they are so significant to the overall series that they will surely play a part in its conclusion – Jon was one, Dany and Tyrion the others.

I do feel a little disillusioned at the moment. The series started off being ostensibly about the Starks and in particular, the Stark children.
Now Jon is dead, but may be resurrected
Sansa appears to be dead and it will be extremely iffy if she is not
I’m not sure what is going on with Arya, but at least she is still being pro-active
Bran is the one character left out of the entire season. I hoped the 5th season would end with a glimpse of what he has been doing.

But no, a series of ridiculous cliff-hangers and a year to wait. Nothing has been resolved. It’s like the ending to an episode of EastEnders.

Feels like the series has lost all of its focus. I have only read the books up as far as a Storm of Swords, and I’m now kind of reluctant to read the others.
Are the Starks, who opened the whole series with the discovery of the direwolves and helped carry the plot along for so long now completely irrelevant?

boccy23

Overall, very dissapointed with this episode and the series in general. Too many bit part stories with no consistent plot for any of them. Too much left in the air "just to have a cliff hanger" type ending.

Thought it was very obvious this series that GRRM didn't write them.

Knex*

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Also, Stannis had the worst camp security possible. Guys wander in and out burning the place down and stealing all the horses (and nobody thought to tell him until breakfast was finished?). This was an army so massive that the wildlings surrendered on the spot to them, and only a handful make it to Winterfell?

This has annoyed me all season, tbh.

Mickeroo

Knex. wrote: »

This has annoyed me all season, tbh.

That's been a problem since season one, armies are always referred to as being absolutely huge but when we see them on camera it looks like only a couple of hundred people. I remember thinking the same about the Dothraki and Robb Stark's armies.

Knex*

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's been a problem since season one, armies are always referred to as being absolutely huge but when we see them on camera it looks like only a couple of hundred people. I remember thinking the same about the Dothraki and Robb Stark's armies.

That's true, actually.

This season has brought me close to a breaking point, though, in terms of rushed storylines, inconsistencies, ridiculous coincidences, illogical nature of some things, and then just the pointlessness of screen time for scenarios such as Dorne.

I'll still watch next season, as GoT has been some of the best TV I have watched since its introduction four/five years ago, but I know I'm not exactly excited for next season now, or expecting a whole lot, and that's a shame.

Knex*

Game of Thrones is starting to remind me of the Wheel of Time series.

Great for the first few books, then the culmination of annoyances grew too large, and I couldn't make it past the fifth book.

I know that series has its fans as well, massively so, but I felt the time investment required to finish it, for the way I saw it going, wasn't worth it.

I really hope next season of GoT doesn't evoke the same response from me.

Berty44

Jon's last words were "Ghost" ( the direwolf ) so its possible that he has warg skills like his bro?

When Mellisandra met Ayra earlier in the series her words were suggesting that something was going to happen to her eyes in the future, so blindness?

Still enthralled by the series and looking forward to next year.

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Berty44 wrote: »

When Mellisandra met Ayra earlier in the series her words were suggesting that something was going to happen to her eyes in the future, so blindness?

Interesting. I googled..

"I see a darkness in you. And in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes... eyes you'll shut forever. We will meet again."

I remember it now, the assumption was she meant other peoples eyes, as in Ayra would kill them. But now who knows.

paulmclaughlin

Berty44 wrote: »

Jon's last words were "Ghost" ( the direwolf ) so its possible that he has warg skills like his bro?

When Mellisandra met Ayra earlier in the series her words were suggesting that something was going to happen to her eyes in the future, so blindness?

Still enthralled by the series and looking forward to next year.

Jon's last words were "Ollie" before the wee scrote stabbed him.

And Melisandre said they're were eyes inside Arya's eyes, and Arya would shut them forever.

Dan_Solo

Knex. wrote: »

Game of Thrones is starting to remind me of the Wheel of Time series.

Well there's one word I was hoping I would never have to use to describe GoT but I'm afraid a lot of the pointlessness in this season is edging me close to doing so... soap.

Berty44

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

Jon's last words were "Ollie" before the wee scrote stabbed him.

And Melisandre said they're were eyes inside Arya's eyes, and Arya would shut them forever.

On Thonecast I thought they said that his last words were Ghost, however on looking up that appears to be his last words in the BOOK, it was as you point out "Ollie" on the tv.

Dan_Solo

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's been a problem since season one, armies are always referred to as being absolutely huge but when we see them on camera it looks like only a couple of hundred people. I remember thinking the same about the Dothraki and Robb Stark's armies.

I had this last season. 100,000 wildlings going ape****... then about 100 horses turn up and they drop tools in a hearbeat. The sense of scale was waaay off.

lbj666

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I had this last season. 100,000 wildlings going ape****... then about 100 horses turn up and they drop tools in a hearbeat. The sense of scale was waaay off.

There was way way more than a hundred horses in that scene. There was probably 50 horses in each bunch of the cavalry that charged them.


Then at winterfell.
Hundreds of horses died in the fires in the overnight attack by Ramseys 20 men. So stannis' cavalry was more or less halfed overnight
Then the rest fled a few nigths later so Stannis was left with foot soldiers that just like the wildings didn't have a prayer coming up against a cavalry.

The numbers do add up more or less.


This has me a bit confused , was it the boltons own cavalry that charged stannis or were the sell swords involved too.

TerrorFirmer

I don't know how people keep reporting that Jon's last word was 'ghost'. I mean I know that's what he says in the book but it's clear as day in the show that he says 'Ollie' - yet people keep referring to his last word as 'ghost' everywhere, even on TV only forums. Rather annoying.

CatMalojinBlog

No way Stannis is dead. I refuse to accept it.

MOH

lbj666 wrote: »

Then at winterfell.
Hundreds of horses died in the fires in the overnight attack by Ramseys 20 men. So stannis' cavalry was more or less halfed overnight
Then the rest fled a few nigths later so Stannis was left with foot soldiers that just like the wildings didn't have a prayer coming up against a cavalry.

The numbers do add up more or less.

Even if he'd lost all his horses and half his men, he still looked massively outnumbered by the huge army Roose suddenly mustered out of nowhere. Does he have a horse factory?

CardBordWindow

Only 42 weeks to wait!

DeltaWhite

Just so disappointed with this entire season. Even more disappointed with Jon's death. He was my fave Dorne was a waste of funds for the programme. They should have just left all that ****e out. With Arya I am REALLY disappointed with her story, it just all seems very pointless to me and she would also be one of my fave characters! I feel deflated after watching that series. I was so looking forward to it for the last year and it was just a bit crap. There was only really 2 good eps for me and the rest was quite slow and uneventful. Compared to the previous seasons I thought it was really poor.

lbj666

MOH wrote: »

Even if he'd lost all his horses and half his men, he still looked massively outnumbered by the huge army Roose suddenly mustered out of nowhere. Does he have a horse factory?

Its what i asked too, did the sell swords that mutinied team up with the boltons, it was something you couldn't see properly on the show.

Vojera

CatMalojinBlog wrote: »

No way Stannis is dead. I refuse to accept it.

I can't see them missing the opportunity to show a perfectly good beheading. They've never shied away from it before.

Sheeeeit

I thought that episode was amazing, so much happened and so many questions.
Have the Baratheons now been wiped out completely? Apart from Robert's bastard Ghendri.
Is Arya now blind? Was this her punishment from the many faced god for poking out Meryn Trant's eyes?
Did Theon & Sansa jump into snow? Did the Lord of Light not melt it? Looks like Ramsay will be going on a hunt in season 6.
Please god let the red woman revive John Snow, he may even become a white walker.
Cersei's scene was ace, Frankenmountain.
Looks like the Dothraki were rallying around their queen, can she add these to her army and clean up Meereen?
S*it has to go down now between the Lannisters and the Martells, Trystane could be held hostage.

leonh74

'**** all is happening in it though. The little one killed a nobody, stanis got ****ed which was predictable, the boring bitch with the dragon's is still a boring bitch with dragons. I mean how can anyone with 3 dragons be that boring? Another stark gets killed. The Lanister daughter (another nobody) gets killed. 7 million horses get added to the story, the long drawn out travels of Jorah and the long haired dude get added, arya going blind gets added, Sansa jumping off a wall with reek gets added, the red woman questioning her faith gets added and that's all before they go back to the crippled stark boy in the woods. Nah, have enough. Draging the are out of it now, it's Lost all over again.'

*This is my friends review of the series finale over Facebook which I genuinely find fairly funny and accurate in a lot of cases

lbj666

Sheeeeit wrote: »

I thought that episode was amazing, so much happened and so many questions.
Have the Baratheons now been wiped out completely? Apart from Robert's bastard Ghendri.
Is Arya now blind? Was this her punishment from the many faced god for poking out Meryn Trant's eyes?
Did Theon & Sansa jump into snow? Did the Lord of Light not melt it? Looks like Ramsay will be going on a hunt in season 6.
Please god let the red woman revive John Snow, he may even become a white walker.
Cersei's scene was ace, Frankenmountain.
Looks like the Dothraki were rallying around their queen, can she add these to her army and clean up Meereen?
S*it has to go down now between the Lannisters and the Martells, Trystane could be held hostage.

Not all the Dothraki were loyal to Kaal and Danerys. Remember she was left with very very few Dothraki once she got to gates of Quarth. Kaal was the main guy but he died and many of his tribe fled by the time he did.
She's kind of captured for the moment but since she can speak the lingo she'd not in absolute dire straights.

Akrasia

lbj666 wrote: »

Its what i asked too, did the sell swords that mutinied team up with the boltons, it was something you couldn't see properly on the show.

I thought I heard one of Stannis' men shout out 'it's the sell swords' in the background when the cavelry was surrounding them

SteelyDanJalapeno

They went to sell swords

ConstantJoe

Sheeeeit wrote: »

I thought that episode was amazing, so much happened and so many questions.
Have the Baratheons now been wiped out completely? Apart from Robert's bastard Ghendri.

Well as far as most of the people of Westeros know, Tommen is a Baratheon too.

Sheeeeit wrote: »

Is Arya now blind? Was this her punishment from the many faced god for poking out Meryn Trant's eyes?

I'm not completely sure, but I think Jaqen H'gar said something along the lines of that the faces are poisonous to anyone with an identity. He let Arya use one too early, she was still Arya so it poisoned her and turned her blind.

Sheeeeit wrote: »

Looks like the Dothraki were rallying around their queen, can she add these to her army and clean up Meereen?

Its been ages since I've watched season 1, but I don't think the Dothraki were too fond of her when she last met them. They followed Drogo, not her. No guarantee that she's safe with them.

phobia2011

If I wanted to pick up from here with the books, where would I start?

ConstantJoe

phobia2011 wrote: »

If I wanted to pick up from here with the books, where would I start?

There's a sticky thread for people to ask book-readers questions - you might get a better answer there. There aren't any book-readers in this thread, or, at least there shouldn't be anyway :P

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alchemist33

CatMalojinBlog wrote: »

No way Stannis is dead. I refuse to accept it.

I think he's dead. He's lost everything; he has no purpose in the show.

OTOH, I refuse to accept Sansa and Theon are dead! I bet they'll tell us they used to do a jump-off-the-wall into the snow game when they were kids.

Sudden Valley

How is it that tyrion is supporting Dany. I know he hates cersei but he seemed to genuinely have affection for his brother and nieces and nephews all who would be killed in the ensuing war. Just seems out of character for him.

MisterAnarchy

CatMalojinBlog wrote: »

No way Stannis is dead. I refuse to accept it.

He could still be alive ,and I'm hoping he is ,but the odds are kind of against it.
What does he have left to live for.

He burnt his daughter to death.
His wife killed herself.
His army is wiped out .
The Lord of Light failed him.
His fleet of ships is stranded ,although it surely must have some of his troops manning it.

If he lives on he'd be a lame duck ,would he not ?

MOH

alchemist33 wrote: »

OTOH, I refuse to accept Sansa and Theon are dead! I bet they'll tell us they used to do a jump-off-the-wall into the snow game when they were kids.

Theon and Louise?

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

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His fleet of ships is stranded ,although it surely must have some of his troops manning it.

That's a point. What the heck did he need the fleet of ships for? He was pretty insistent Jon Snow bring them back. But both Castle Black and Winterfell look like they're in the middle of the continent (based on a quick google for a pretty awesome map), so they'd be sod all use to him.

Unless he wanted them for an eventual assault on King's Landing, although a) that's looking a bit ahead, and b) that didn't work out for him so well the last time

MisterAnarchy

MOH wrote: »

That's a point. What the heck did he need the fleet of ships for? He was pretty insistent Jon Snow bring them back. But both Castle Black and Winterfell look like they're in the middle of the continent (based on a quick google for a pretty awesome map), so they'd be sod all use to him.

Unless he wanted them for an eventual assault on King's Landing, although a) that's looking a bit ahead, and b) that didn't work out for him so well the last time

I dont understand why he didnt just sail south to warmer climes once Winter was coming .

He could have sailed back to Dragonstone in a week and waited for Jon Snow to try to get the Wildlings to help his cause and get some more allies in the North .

Kings landing would probably be an easier target than Winterfell at the moment ,no Tywin Lannister to save it this time and the Tyrells might not come to aid.

Sheeeeit

Sudden Valley wrote: »

How is it that tyrion is supporting Dany. I know he hates cersei but he seemed to genuinely have affection for his brother and nieces and nephews all who would be killed in the ensuing war. Just seems out of character for him.

I think Tyrion knew that killing his father was the last act for him as a Lannister proper. Jamie told Bronn he'd kill Tyrion if he ever saw him. I'm sure Tyrion still loves Jamie but I'm sure he knows where he stands with him now.

Defiler Of The Coffin

Ten episodes a season isn't enough with all the different storylines going on. This season felt very rushed and some of the threads weren't fleshed out at all. Expected more to happen with Sansa/Ramsey and the whole Dorne thing was a complete waste of time. The Sand Snakes are about as fearsome as a bunch of cute puppies. Such a load of anti-climaxes all around.

Last night's episode has ruined the Hardholm one for me. Cannot believe they got rid of Jon Snow. If they're going to kill off all the good guys then what is the point of watching if there's no-one left to root for?

wayne040576

phobia2011 wrote: »

If I wanted to pick up from here with the books, where would I start?

You can't. The series has now caught up with the books. Book readers are pretty much in the dark about what comes next as well. They've had a few years to come up with theories, that's about it.
Apparently GRRM said the next book will be out before season 6 but I wouldn't hold my breath.

MOH

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Ten episodes a season isn't enough with all the different storylines going on. This season felt very rushed and some of the threads weren't fleshed out at all. Expected more to happen with Sansa/Ramsey and the whole Dorne thing was a complete waste of time. The Sand Snakes are about as fearsome as a bunch of cute puppies. Such a load of anti-climaxes all around.

Last night's episode has ruined the Hardholm one for me. Cannot believe they got rid of Jon Snow. If they're going to kill off all the good guys then what is the point of watching if there's no-one left to root for?

Given that we've now caught up with the books, I'm bemused they didn't just split the last book over two seasons. Would have given them more time to build, avoided needing as many daft coincidences, the filler wouldn't have been as grating, and the next book would be, if still not released, at least a year closer to completion.

MOH

MOH wrote: »

Given that we've now caught up with the books, I'm bemused they didn't just split the last book over two seasons. Would have given them more time to build, avoided needing as many daft coincidences, the filler wouldn't have been as grating, and the next book would be, if still not released, at least a year closer to completion.

Or just cut the Dorne arc to a simple "oh no, they've poisoned Marcella" with more to come in the next season with some actual substance.

CONSI

so will we now be at the whim of script writers who can do whatever they want with the series since they have already moved away from the books in parts...or will GRR Martin still have a say, surely the books and series have to tie in but I dont think the books can keep pace..if they do they will feel rushed...or become major fillers to keep both series going...why did HBO start making a TV series where they would catch up with the source material...surely plenty of book series they could ahve gone with..

Sheeeeit

CONSI wrote: »

so will we now be at the whim of script writers who can do whatever they want with the series since they have already moved away from the books in parts...or will GRR Martin still have a say, surely the books and series have to tie in but I dont think the books can keep pace..if they do they will feel rushed...or become major fillers to keep both series going...why did HBO start making a TV series where they would catch up with the source material...surely plenty of book series they could ahve gone with..

GRR Martin will still have an input. Shireen has not died in the books afaik.
The writers did consult GRR though and he confirmed that if Stannis was in that situation he probably would have gone ahead and burnt Shireen. So I'm sure the writers will consult GRR and other major plots too. They've already stated many times that George has told them his plans so far for an ending to the whole thing.

Vojera

CONSI wrote: »

so will we now be at the whim of script writers who can do whatever they want with the series since they have already moved away from the books in parts...or will GRR Martin still have a say.

It has been confirmed that the series and books will head for the same ending, but there are going to be changes along the way. There already have been, according to my book-reading friends. I can only hope they collaborate closely enough that they get the tone of the story right even if the details are different.

GavRedKing

For Series 6 can we just got an Army led by Jamie into Dorne in the first episode and wipe them all out, just to kill off the Dorne story from the TV show.

Hazys

Old Perry wrote: »

Olly needs to be drop kicked off the wall s06ep01 minute 01.

This sums up my feelings on Olly:

And while we’re on the topic of the stupid fcuks of the Night’s Watch, can we talk about this little bitch Olly for a second?

Has anyone ever been a bigger pussy about their family getting murdered than this little fcuker? Hey Olly, look around bro. EVERYONE’S family is getting murdered. There’s literally not one person who hasnt had their family slaughtered. You’re a member of the Night’s Watch. You live at the Wall. You live in the realm of the 7 kingdoms. Everyone’s parents get murdered like every single day. Why dont you shut the fcuk up and realize that you’re just like a 12 year old idiot and Jon Snow is actually busy trying to save the entire goddam world? fcuking hate this little prick. Hate him almost as much as I used to hate Cersei

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