backs to the wall....

jobbridge4life

Specialun wrote: »

I admit

I found the joke funny

And what part of gay men rape straight men did you find funny? Was it the original content, the fresh wit, the unique perspective?

jobbridge4life

porsche959 wrote: »

Don't think anyone thinks Cian Healy is personally a homophobe but language used in banter at the rugby club not always suitable for public broadcast on Twitter.

I guess the moral of this and similar stories is:

If you're on Twitter under your real name, don't say anything you wouldn't be happy your mother/girlfriend/wife/sister hearing.

If you're a public figure AND on Twitter under your real name, don't say anything you wouldn't say in an interview on live TV.

Add to this, if you are sports star in the public eye, who is a role model for many young people maybe try and keep your humour to a level that is a little above the old gays = rapists. Alternatively don't and make those 'jokes' but be fully prepaired to get criticised for it. That my friends is the essence of free speech.

frostyjacks

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Add to this, if you are sports star in the public eye, who is a role model for many young people maybe try and keep your humour to a level that is a little above the old gays = rapists. Alternatively don't and make those 'jokes' but be fully prepaired to get criticised for it. That my friends is the essence of free speech.

The only people equating gays with rapists is yourself. You must have a very low opinion of your kind. It was just a silly joke that some has-been singer latched onto to try and get his name in the papers again.

jobbridge4life

frostyjacks wrote: »

The only people equating gays with rapists is yourself. You must have a very low opinion of your kind. It was just a silly joke that some has-been singer latched onto to try and get his name in the papers again.

No the only logical meaning of #backstothewall is 'protect your back passage from unwanted anal assault by a gay'. Its not even insinuation.

frostyjacks

frostyjacks wrote: »

I wonder if Kennedy hadn't made such a song and dance about it whether anyone else would have.

He has a bit of form for this, I remember him on the Irish 'celebrity' Come Dine With Me (it was on in the background when I was reading Guns & Ammo) throwing a similar tantrum when someone joked about one of his albums. The guy is just an attention seeker. He does nothing to dispel the image of gay men being drama queens.

It's a perfect example of how negative bickering can alienate people from a cause.

Take the Marriage Referendum. Probably one of the most rapturous, positive decisions we have taken together as a modern, compassionate society. It brought together people of all backgrounds and identities; all religions and none; gay, straight, transgender, and sure, whatever you're having yourself. Even the Iona institute was gracious in the end.

Are the same warm affinities cultivated by petty, insecure online wrangles like this one? No chance. They are pernicious and divisive.

When a popular rugby player for the national team attends a gay pride event, it is testament to the barriers that have been broken down between people.
Brian Kennedy & his band of churlish followers are doing their best to taint those bonds. Their over-reaction demands a culture of unattainable political correctness, which will only repel and disunite people.

jobbridge4life

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's a perfect example of how negative bickering can alienate people from a cause.

Take the Marriage Referendum. Probably one of the most rapturous, positive decisions we have taken together as a modern, compassionate society. It brought together people of all backgrounds and identities; all religions and none; gay, straight, transgender, and sure, whatever you're having yourself. Even the Iona institute was gracious in the end.

Are the same warm affinities cultivated by petty, insecure online wrangles like this one? No chance. They are pernicious and divisive.

When a popular rugby player for the national team attends a gay pride event, it is testament to the barriers that have been broken down between people.
Brian Kennedy & his band of churlish followers are doing their best to taint those bonds. Their over-reaction demands a culture of unattainable political correctness, which will only repel and disunite people.

You are utterly blowing this out of proportion. Brian Kennedy and handful of others expressed disappointment that Healy chose to make such a brain dead remark. There is no media storm, he hasn't been reprimanded, he hasn't even deleted the tweet. The hysteria is entirely one sided and its coming from the all the regular subjects, including plenty who spent weeks arguing that gay people shouldn't have the right to marry so excuse me if I don't cry over their hurt feelz.

In addition if someone is so fickle with regard to the notion of equality that a few gay people and others complaining over a gay = rapists joke, and a line that has been used to abuse gay people in schools for years is enough to alienate them from the cause then frankly we can do with out them.

jobbridge4life

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You are utterly blowing this out of proportion. Brian Kennedy and handful of others expressed disappointment

Expressed disappointment? No.

No, I'm bemused at online trolls, some of them in this thread, some on twitter, calling Cian Healy a homophobe, a bigot and a knucklehead. Someone on this thread actually used the term "promoting hatred".

I don't think that kind of reaction is likely to achieve anything, but rather alienate people.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

jobbridge4life wrote: »

he hasn't even deleted the tweet.

Of course not. No way should he give in to the trolls.

Jonti

It"ll soon be illegal to speak unless you say only politically correct words and sentences! All these wishy-washy liberals must have had a really bad life before they rose to a position of power and or influence.
What a load of Sh-te!

jobbridge4life

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Expressed disappointment? No.

No, I'm bemused at online trolls, some of them in this thread, some on twitter, calling Cian Healy a homophobe, a bigot and a knucklehead. Someone on this thread actually used the term "promoting hatred".

You mentioned Brian Kennedy, he never once used any of the words you alleged nor did he attack Cian, he even thanked him for responding. Again he simply expressed disappointment.

As for others, firstly trolls gonna troll. Secondly its twitter, you can't express an opinion on your breakfast without becoming a legitimate target so lets not pretend Healy is getting any special treatment.

By the way your defending freedom of speech and the freedom of a privileged individual to make a joke implying that all gay men are rapists to be logically consistent you have to defend the right of others to say that same individual is a dick. In addition if your the kind of person who makes such jokes have the balls to take a little bite back. In fairness to Healy I'd imagine he does.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

don't think that kind of reaction is likely to achieve anything, but rather alienate people.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Oh well sorry mastah I'll do betta next time I surely will

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Of course not. No way should he give in to the trolls.

Yes. That would be the end of free speech as we know it. FFS have a fag before you hyperventilate.

jobbridge4life

Jonti wrote: »

It"ll soon be illegal to speak unless you say only politically correct words and sentences! All these wishy-washy liberals must have had a really bad life before they rose to a position of power and or influence.
What a load of Sh-te!

Yeah God forbid Cian Healy gets criticised for a remark! Surely the goose-stepping feminazis and gaystapo are on the march. It'll be death camps by monday.

Do you hear yourself???

jobbridge4life

jobbridge4life wrote: »

trolls gonna troll

Right, and ordinary people are going to criticise trolls. Nobody likes seeing a person being called a homophobe or be accused of "promoting hatred" for a harmless comment, especially on boards.ie

By the way your defending freedom of speech and the freedom of a privileged individual to make a joke implying that all gay men are rapists to be logically consistent you have to defend the right of others to say that same individual is a dick.

Nobody is denying the idiots' right to publicly demonstrate their own stupidity.

Oh well sorry mastah I'll do betta next time I surely will

Good.

jobbridge4life

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Right, and ordinary people are going to criticise trolls. Nobody likes seeing a person being called a homophobe or be accused of "promoting hatred" for a harmless comment, especially on boards.ie

So you acknowledge you slurred Kennedy? Who knoes if its harmless? Joking about gay men being rapists might very well be harmful, not to a bruiser like me but to more vulnerable gay people including teens who look to the likes of Healy.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Nobody is denying the idiots' rights to publicly demonstrate their own stupidity.

Exactly right, glad you agree with me. Healy is free to demonstrate just what a moron he is. Cheers.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Good.

You straight cause I am feeling the rape urge.
.

Knex*

The Dark Side wrote: »

Idiotic comment.

He'll be apologising shortly, I've no doubt.

I really hope not.

People need to look more at folk's actions, rather than just their words. Especially when the words in this instance are obviously a joke.

Some people love to be outraged, I'm convinced. Its almost like if they can get on the high horse for a little while, it distracts them from their own faults, or something.

Others just don't get humour. Like, not even a little bit.

jobbridge4life

Knex. wrote: »

Others just don't get humour. Like, not even a little bit.

Yeah like the people who think #backstothewall is funny. Seriously since when were insults thrown around by juvenile school boys considered humour?

Knex*

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Yeah like the people who think #backstothewall is funny. Seriously since when were insults thrown around by juvenile school boys considered humour?

Its completely lighthearted. Its only an insult if you really contrive to make it be.

elfy4eva

Feels to me like a coping mechanism some lads have. 'Oh heading to an LGBT event better make it crystal clear that I don't like bumsex!'. It's hardly offensive but it comes off as a bit insecure IMO.

bodice ripper

I can't believe anyone cares about this comment.

jobbridge4life

Knex. wrote: »

Its completely lighthearted. Its only an insult if you really contrive to make it be.

I know that Cian Healy isn't a homophobe (for the n'th time on this thread)

but isn't only an insult if one contrives it to be. It is an insult regularly used to abuse gay people in particularly young gay men in secondary school and very often in sports setting.

I get that Healy was saying it in jest but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have negative consequences and in particular for those possible vulnerable youth who look up to him.

frostyjacks

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Yeah like the people who think #backstothewall is funny. Seriously since when were insults thrown around by juvenile school boys considered humour?

It's the context. He's a straight man at a gay event. It's not an insult, it's having a laugh. He's actually making himself the butt (no pun intended) of his own joke.

jobbridge4life

frostyjacks wrote: »

It's the context. He's a straight man at a gay event. It's not an insult, it's having a laugh. He's actually making himself the butt (no pun intended) of his own joke.

What is funny about it?

Knex*

elfy4eva wrote: »

Feels to me like a coping mechanism some lads have. 'Oh heading to an LGBT event better make it crystal clear that I don't like bumsex!'. It's hardly offensive but it comes off as a bit insecure IMO.

Wouldn't be surprised if there was something in that.

Also, as a guy, I believe you learn from an early age to be self deprecating about the stuff that people want to use against you, be it hair colour, a big nose, a lisp, being dyslexic, anything that people might poke fun at.

Maybe its backwards and as society progresses this will be phased out, I don't know, but I definitely think its in our culture. When you laugh at yourself, its not really possible for people to use these things as a mechanism to put you down. Least that's what I subconsciously picked up during my time in school.

So yeah, maybe your point is some sort of continuation of the above.

Regardless, I think its all a load of nothing.

jobbridge4life

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Joking about gay men being rapists might very well be harmful, not to a bruiser like me
.

"Bruisers" like you are the top posters in this thread, getting your knickers in a knot and feeling the compulsion to respond to anyone who disagrees this comment is "harmful"

jobbridge4life

Knex. wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if there was something in that.

Also, as a guy, I believe you learn from an early age to be self deprecating about the stuff that people want to use against you, be it hair colour, a big nose, a lisp, being dyslexic, anything that people might poke fun at.

Maybe its backwards and as society progresses this will be phased out, I don't know, but I definitely think its in our culture. When you laugh at yourself, its not really possible for people to use these things as a mechanism to put you down. Least that's what I subconsciously picked up during my time in school.

So yeah, maybe your point is some sort of continuation of the above.

Regardless, I think its all a load of nothing.

He wasn't making fun of himself. He was making fun of gay people. Significant difference. Unless you know something about Cian that I don't in which case do you have his number cause I'd like to have his back some place other than the wall.

frostyjacks

jobbridge4life wrote: »

What is funny about it?

He's playing up the fears of many straight men when they're at a pop concert of an artist popular amongst gay men, or a musical etc. He's not going to have a career in stand up after he retires from rugby but he has a sense of humour.

jobbridge4life

frostyjacks wrote: »

He's playing up the fears of many straight men when they're at a pop concert of an artist popular amongst gay men, or a musical etc. He's not going to have a career in stand up after he retires from rugby but he has a sense of humour.

LoLgasm, and you my friend have a sense of humour far greater than his judging by that post.

Whats that fear? That you'll be raped. oh right cool beans.

jobbridge4life

Any one up for some light hearted n*gger jokes? How about Cian posts a few jokes about how black men are dumb, criminals who like raping white women. Come on now its all fair in humour. How about a couple of jokes about how all muzzies are terrorists.

Knex*

jobbridge4life wrote: »

He wasn't making fun of himself. He was making fun of gay people. Significant difference. Unless you know something about Cian that I don't in which case do you have his number cause I'd like to have his back some place other than the wall.

I feel like you read the words in my post, but you completely missed the context or the point.

Not surprising, as its evident you're on a bit of a crusade about this in an attempt to make us all feel similarly outraged to an innocuous comment.

This doesn't set back gay rights, or the acceptance of gay people, in any tangible way. Everything gets poked fun at. Humour is a way of life, ingrained in our society.

I'd be more worried if people felt they couldn't make a joke about going to a Gay Pride event from an acceptance perspective.

Stop seeking offense from a place where it doesn't exist. For **** sake, the man went to a gay pride concert at the end of the day. He's hardly homophobic.

Knex*

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Any one up for some light hearted n*gger jokes? How about Cian posts a few jokes about how black men are dumb, criminals who like raping white women. Come on now its all fair in humour. How about a couple of jokes about how all muzzies are terrorists.

Next up, the insensitive nature of your job bridge user name. Blonde people being stupid, gingers have no soul, white people can't dance.

You're being ridiculously sensationalist to the point of which you're doing your own argument and cause absolutely no favour.

The issue really isn't that the topic can't be made fun of, its just that Cian Healy isn't exactly hilarious. You outraged at this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnNvbhrJSk

Its hilarious!

Boom_Bap

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Any one up for some light hearted n*gger jokes? How about Cian posts a few jokes about how black men are dumb, criminals who like raping white women. Come on now its all fair in humour. How about a couple of jokes about how all muzzies are terrorists.

quit the trolling

jobbridge4life

Knex. wrote: »

I feel like you read the words in my post, but you completely missed the context or the point.

Not surprising, as its evident you're on a bit of a crusade about this in an attempt to make us all feel similarly outraged to an innocuous comment.

This doesn't set back gay rights, or the acceptance of gay people, in any tangible way. Everything gets poked fun at. Humour is a way of life, ingrained in our society.

You implied that it was a self deprecating joke. The joke was about gay people not 27 year old rugby players. So it was not self-deprecating unless he is gay.

Knex. wrote: »

I'd be more worried if people felt they couldn't make a joke about going to a Gay Pride event from an acceptance perspective.

Stop seeking offense from a place where it doesn't exist. For **** sake, the man went to a gay pride concert at the end of the day. He's hardly homophobic.

FFS indeed...

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I don't imagine that Cian Healy is homophobic. His support during the marriage equality campaign, his attendance at a pride function etc would certainly indicate that he isn't.

jobbridge4life wrote: »

HEy Sound of Silence you might want to actually read the thread... in it you can see several examples of people saying that they don't think Cian Healy is a homophobe, including me. So stop getting your panties in a bunch over something no one is saying.

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I know that Cian Healy isn't a homophobe (for the n'th time on this thread)

jobbridge4life

Knex. wrote: »

Next up, the insensitive nature of your job bridge user name. Blonde people being stupid, gingers have no soul, white people can't dance.

You're being ridiculously sensationalist to the point of which you're doing your own argument and cause absolutely no favour.

The issue really isn't that the topic can't be made fun of, its just that Cian Healy isn't exactly hilarious. You outraged at this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnNvbhrJSk

Its hilarious!

I really don't want to be misunderstood (though I know I am making a good go of it in this thread!) I am all for comedians being as risque as they wish. I love Howard Stern, Lisa Lampanelli, Dice Clay, Frankie Boyle and Joan Rivers may she rest in plastic pieces etc.

They are comedians its their job. Comparing that to a tweet by a rugby star who is a role model to youngsters is not appropriate. In anycase I would never seek to stop Healy from being allowed to make any joke he wishes in fact its quite humours to see what he considers funny and watch him making an ass of himself. Its the hysterical reaction to the criticism that irritates me.

robp

Kennedy has to be called out for his ridiculous attempts to find offence in harmless jokes. Its backward. Even if Healy's comment was offensive (which it wasn't) there is no right to not be offended.

SpaceTime

robp wrote: »

Kennedy has to be called out for his ridiculous attempts to find offence in harmless jokes. Its backward. Even if Healy's comment was offensive (which it wasn't) there is no right to not be offended.

Offensiveness is a highly subjective thing though. So you can't really judge what's offensive and what isn't.

Some Australians for example may see Irish jokes as perfectly harmless but oddly enough Irish people often find them quite offensive.

It's an odd thing that whole subjectivity lark... People seeing things from completely different angles ... Who'd have ever thought such a thing could happen?!
It's mad altogether !

Specialun

Maybe i was offended about kennedys stupid song about a message

frostyjacks

robp wrote: »

Kennedy has to be called out for his ridiculous attempts to find offence in harmless jokes. Its backward. Even if Healy's comment was offensive (which it wasn't) there is no right to not be offended.

He's a cheek to call out Healy on that tweet. How long did he spend hiding in the closet? Not quite a gay role model. Funny how he only came out when his record sales were drying up.

cloudatlas

If the joke was made by a gay man then it would have been funny but by a rugby head who may or may not have dispensed that insult in his youth not so funny or unexpected IMHO

DEFTLEFTHAND

cloudatlas wrote: »

If the joke was made by a gay man then it would have been funny but by a rugby head who may or may not have dispensed that insult in his youth not so funny or unexpected IMHO

But sure any fella who played sports growing up or who still plays has heard gay jokes in dressing room banter.

efb

#TopBanter

LadyFenghuang

efb wrote: »

#TopBanter

Now that would have been ironic!

darkpagandeath

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I really don't want to be misunderstood (though I know I am making a good go of it in this thread!) I am all for comedians being as risque as they wish. I love Howard Stern, Lisa Lampanelli, Dice Clay, Frankie Boyle and Joan Rivers may she rest in plastic pieces etc.

They are comedians its their job. Comparing that to a tweet by a rugby star who is a role model to youngsters is not appropriate. In anycase I would never seek to stop Healy from being allowed to make any joke he wishes in fact its quite humours to see what he considers funny and watch him making an ass of himself. Its the hysterical reaction to the criticism that irritates me.

Ah get-out with that role model trotted out as an excuse to fire people or witch hunt. I have no idea who this fell is for one. Why would children be on Twitter ones of an age that need protecting ? Maybe try parenting ?

efb

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

Now that would have been ironic!

For some reason I see him as more a power bottom...

Maximus Alexander

In school we used to say "Bums to the ground, father Murphy's around". But of course, that was a slur on the clergy, rather than gay people.

I think if we spent more time slurring the clergy, and less time on gay people, the world would be a slightly better place.

cloudatlas

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

But sure any fella who played sports growing up or who still plays has heard gay jokes in dressing room banter.

My point exactly it's 'expected', if it was a gay man making the joke then it would be unexpected therefore funny. Sometimes the joke isn't or the context isn't important it is who says it.

jobbridge4life

robp wrote: »

Kennedy has to be called out for his ridiculous attempts to find offence in harmless jokes. Its backward. Even if Healy's comment was offensive (which it wasn't) there is no right to not be offended.

To follow your logic its alright to 'call out' Kennedy for criticising Healy's post, but not okay for Kennedy to 'call out' Healy's post. That doesn't make sense and it seems like a bizarre double standard. And you are right there is no right not to be offended, Kennedy's post certainly didn't suggest that either, it simply expressed disappointment that Healy would post such a brain dead 'joke'.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

But sure any fella who played sports growing up or who still plays has heard gay jokes in dressing room banter.

True enough, and many gay people abandon the sports they love because of those locker room 'jokes' and those who stay often stay locked in their sad closets for years think Donal Og.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah get-out with that role model trotted out as an excuse to fire people or witch hunt. I have no idea who this fell is for one. Why would children be on Twitter ones of an age that need protecting ? Maybe try parenting ?

Have I called for him to be fired, can you smell the burning stake? Calm down. You may not know who he is but plenty of others do.

darkpagandeath

jobbridge4life wrote: »

To follow your logic its alright to 'call out' Kennedy for criticising Healy's post, but not okay for Kennedy to 'call out' Healy's post. That doesn't make sense and it seems like a bizarre double standard. And you are right there is no right not to be offended, Kennedy's post certainly didn't suggest that either, it simply expressed disappointment that Healy would post such a brain dead 'joke'.



True enough, and many gay people abandon the sports they love because of those locker room 'jokes' and those who stay often stay locked in their sad closets for years think Donal Og.



Have I called for him to be fired, can you smell the burning stake? Calm down. You may not know who he is but plenty of others do.

Why are children/youngsters on twitter then that need protecting from this role model comments. Oh wait they should not be and would have no idea about these comments.

jobbridge4life

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why are children/youngsters on twitter then that need protecting from this role model comments. Oh wait they should not be and would have no idea about these comments.

Plenty of teens are on twitter, that is typically the most vulnerable time for gay youth.

darkpagandeath

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Plenty of teens are on twitter, that is typically the most vulnerable time for gay youth.

Ah right so how do people plan on protecting people from the real world and other parts of the internet if they are so vulnerable ?

jobbridge4life

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah right so how do people plan on protecting people from the real world and other parts of the internet if they are so vulnerable ?

I am not calling for cotton wool, or bubble wrapping people. I just think Healy could have you know not made the most cliched tired joke ever especially as it equates gay men with rapists.

dont bother

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I am not calling for cotton wool, or bubble wrapping people. I just think Healy could have you know not made the most cliched tired joke ever especially as it equates gay men with rapists.

he shouldn't be worried anyway... nobody would go near him or his little flat arse. tiny man, minger. it's always the mingers that think they're in "danger" from the gays isnt it?

Hans Bricks

I'd say it's a bit cringe at worst. But there are a few poster's here who evidently have little of importance in real life to worry about if they're conflating a casual joke with promoting a stereotype of anal rape and promiscuity amongst all Gay men.

If you don't find it funny (like myself)... fine. But the self satisfied, victim mentality of some people is desperate. The reactionary threads of these type of stories are worth it though. Watching fully grown adults lose their rationale over silly subjective humor. Hooray for ignorant banter !!