When does Summer start?

Paddy Cow

I always thought the seasons were

Spring : February, March, April
Summer : May, June, July
Autumn : August, September, October
Winter : November, December, January

This makes sense to me. I can't imagine June as Spring or August as Summer!

What does everyone else think?

Swanley

What you have is right, I think; but THIS is what I FEEL is right...

Spring : February, March, April
Summer : May, June, July, August
Autumn : September, October
Winter : November, December, January

diomed

Summer: June, July, August
Winter: the rest

Eugene Norman

February isn't spring. For sure. Only Irish people think so. Metreologists think summer starts in June 21

Swanley

Eugene Norman wrote: »

February isn't spring. For sure. Only Irish people think so. Metreologists think summer starts in June 21

This man is right actually. February isn't in spring.

Spring : March, April
Summer : May, June, July, August
Autumn : September, October
Winter : November, December, January, February

Paddy Cow

Eugene Norman wrote: »

February isn't spring. For sure. Only Irish people think so. Metreologists think summer starts in June 21

That makes no sense. The longest day of the year is in June, so should be the middle of summer and the shortest day of the year is in December, should be the middle of winter.

How is this not the norm?

Paddy Cow

Eugene Norman wrote: »

February isn't spring. For sure. Only Irish people think so. Metreologists think summer starts in June 21

Also, spring is when things start to grow again and that happens in February, not June!

Eugene Norman

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That makes no sense. The longest day of the year is in June, so should be the middle of summer and the shortest day of the year is in December, should be the middle of winter.

How is this not the norm?

Because the longest day isn't the warmest and the seasons are about warmth or lack of it, not the days length. Early February is generally colder than December.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29014886

Eugene Norman

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I always thought the seasons were

Spring : February, March, April
Summer : May, June, July
Autumn : August, September, October
Winter : November, December, January

This makes sense to me. I can't imagine June as Spring or August as Summer!

What does everyone else think?

I really don't get August as autumn or February as spring. Maybe the last week of those months the weather starts to change but early August is high summer, weather wise.

Geuze

Some people in Ireland consider Spring = Feb, Mar, Apr, and so that summer starts on 1st May.

However, I disagree, as do Met Eireann.

Met Eireann say that Spring starts on 1st March, and Summer starts on 1st June.

This was said on several weather forecasts around 1st June.

This also makes practical sense, as Feb can be very wintry in Ireland, and August can be very warm and summery.


Now, a third notion is that summer starts on 21-Jun........

kneemos

It's all down to temperatures,the warmest being June,July and August,the coldest being December,January and February.
Pretty much standard I'd imagine in the Northern Hemisphere.

To Elland Back

Start??? You just missed it

J Cheever Loophole

Spring : March, April, May
Summer : June, July, August
Autumn : September, October, November
Winter : December, January, February

I'm surprised that I'm the only one to think this to date.

eviltimeban

January - winter
February - winter / edging into spring
March - spring
April - spring
May - spring early on / summer
June - summer
July - summer
August - summer / edging into autumn
September - autumn
October - autumn
November - autumn / edging into winter
December - winter

It's not as cut and dry as one being one and the next month being another. There's cross over.

Badly Drunk Boy

Eugene Norman wrote: »

February isn't spring. For sure. Only Irish people think so. Metreologists think summer starts in June 21

The summer solstice? Also known as midsummer?

the_monkey

There is no summer in Ireland ... there is Winter and Winter light ...

murpho999

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

The summer solstice? Also known as midsummer?

It's known as that in the old Celtic/Druid calender.

It no longer fully applies.

For some reason Irish people and even schools insist on saying that Spring starts on Feb 1st when it is winter everywhere else.

In fact most European countries view seasons to start on equinoxes/solstices so it works out as follows.

March 21st Spring
June 21st Summer
September 21st Autumn
December 21st Winter.


Makes more sense to me when you consider how balmy September can be and how cold February often is.

With the other system people who go on 'Summer' holidays in August are actually going in Autumn, makes no sense at all.

LadyFenghuang

When the weirdos come out....yep they've started!

For me the year is:

Spring : February, March, April
Summer : May, June, July
Autumn : August, September, October
Winter : November, December, January

.Henry Sellers.

Just buy a Hawaiian shirt, then summer will never end.

Senna

To everyone who says February is Spring, is this just because you were told that in school or do you think it makes sense?

LadyFenghuang

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I always thought the seasons were

Spring : February, March, April
Summer : May, June, July
Autumn : August, September, October
Winter : November, December, January

This makes sense to me. I can't imagine June as Spring or August as Summer!

What does everyone else think?

Meteorological seasons are different to common seasons. The summer solstice is an important time in the spiritual calender for many including myself.

There is the winter solstice the summer solstice the spring equinox and the vernal equinox.

The summer solstice is actually the mark of when the days get shorter. There will be a celebration at the hill of Tara this year. Hill of Tara 'Sunflowers' an air celebration.

It's also father's day!

But the 'common summer' season really starts in June.

kfallon

About 4 o'clock today!

fryup

anyone been for an outdoor swim yet?? sea or lake

seems chilly

LadyFenghuang

fryup wrote: »

anyone been for an outdoor swim yet?? sea or lake

seems chilly

I have been paddling. It was actually warm but it was quite sunny.

kylith

I think all the seasons should be moved on a month

Winter - December, January, February
Spring - March, April, May
Summer - June, July, August
Autumn - September, October, November

murpho999

Khloe Mysterious Cerebellum wrote: »

For me the year is:

Spring : February, March, April
Summer : May, June, July
Autumn : August, September, October
Winter : November, December, January

How can the peak summer holiday season in August be in Autumn? It's peak the hottest part of the year as well. It really defies logic to follow this.

Flippyfloppy

It's due beginning June 16, usually for three days or so

murpho999

I think people need to read this page.

Sums up difference between astrological and meteorological seasons and even singles out Ireland.

ComfortKid

Spring - Mar Apr May

Summer - Jun Jul Aug

Autumn- Sept Oct Nov

Winter - Dec Jan Feb

Anyone who disagrees with this is wrong. We get thought some stupid things in school, like I before e except after c. Rubbish.

Akrasia

Summer is when the kids are on summer holidays. Schools break up from June (secondary schools and colleges) and the new term starts in September (schools starting in August should feck off for themselves)

Electric picnic is the last blowout of the summer and the Hurling Championship final is the first Sunday in September and this is the end of the Summer.

rainbow kirby

fryup wrote: »

anyone been for an outdoor swim yet?? sea or lake

seems chilly

Lake swim here last week, water a relatively pleasant 17c. Not in the absolute "I'm going to die without my wetsuit" stage any more.

I'm of the "summer starts in June" persuasion tbh.

riffmongous

Some people seem to be taking this a bit seriously..

I personally like the Irish system, as it's culturally and astronomically based. If I want to speak of the meteorological summer I will refer to it as so, and anyway the phenology is always changing so the start of summer will change each year

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

Some people seem to be taking this a bit seriously..

I personally like the Irish system, as it's culturally and astronomically based. If I want to speak of the meteorological summer I will refer to it as so, and anyway the phenology is always changing so the start of summer will change each year

The Irish system though is not a system, it's based on aincient ideas that no longer apply.

There is just no way that February is not Winter and August is not Summer.

riffmongous

murpho999 wrote: »

The Irish system though is not a system, it's based on aincient ideas that no longer apply.

There is just no way that February is not Winter and August is not Summer.

Meh, it makes more sense than saying that spring begins on march 1st for meteorological reasons, which is ridiculous

edit: which is why I prefer to say meteorological spring instead

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

Meh, it makes more sense than saying that spring begins on march 1st for meteorological reasons, which is ridiculous

edit: which is why I prefer to say meteorological spring instead

No just simply Spring begins in March.

No need to add the the meteorological part.

Why people think the Irish "system" is right and all the other countries with a Northern Hemisphere seasons are wrong is beyond me.

Eugene Norman

riffmongous wrote: »

Meh, it makes more sense than saying that spring begins on march 1st for meteorological reasons, which is ridiculous

edit: which is why I prefer to say meteorological spring instead

Where outside Ireland people say "Spring".

I said meteorologists think summer began in June 21st. In fact that's atronomical seasons, most meteorologists say June ( although not in the
U.S. where the season starts with the solistice).

If you think warmth rather than length of day September edges out May significantly in Ireland. The warmest months are June, July, August and September with highs in September on average the same as June.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

No just simply Spring begins in March.

No need to add the the meteorological part.

Why people think the Irish "system" is right and all the other countries with a Northern Hemisphere seasons are wrong is beyond me.

The irish one just makes more sense. Like how can February be in winter, it's definitely spring or how can November not be winter?

murpho999

Khloe Mysterious Cerebellum wrote: »

The irish one just makes more sense. Like how can February be in winter, it's definitely spring or how can November not be winter?

Because they're not.

That's why February's are still cold etc (colder than November).

How can August and September not be Summer when it's often the best weather of the year.

billythefish99

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_calendar

biko

Feast of St. Brigid’s, 1st February, marks the start of spring.

Public_Enema

Paddy Cow wrote: »

When does Summer start?

Start? Some years it never even shows up.

cdeb

Senna wrote: »

To everyone who says February is Spring, is this just because you were told that in school or do you think it makes sense?

I say February is spring, because it makes sense.

Seasons aren't based on the weather - it's too variable here for that. They're based on the grand aul stretch in the evening (or lack thereof). So it stands to reason the mid-point of the seasons should be the equinox/solstice. As per the wiki link posted just above.

November clearly isn't autumn. August the evenings visibly start to shorten, so it's clearly the start of autumn, and so on.

In the US, the seasons start on the equinox/solstice, which is just weird.

And of course in other parts of the world, there don't really do winter/spring/summer/autumn - it's either raining or not. So clearly we don't need to be bound by what everyone else is doing.

PLL

Last year it was still quite mild in November so I look at it like this.

Autumn: Sep, Oct, Nov
Winter: Dec, Jan, Feb
Spring: Mar, Apr, May
Summer: June, July, Aug

May can't be summer it is all exams and study for the LC.. summer starts June when LC finishes and when the students starts the 3 months of their J1.

cdeb

PLL wrote: »

May can't be summer it is all exams

You might even say - summer exams?

Tin Foil Hat

billythefish99 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_calendar

Seasonal lag explains why using the Gaelic Calender to define the seasons is, quite simply, wrong.
Just because ye were taught it in school, lads, doesn't mean that it's true.

cdeb

It doesn't explain why the Irish calendar is wrong because the Irish calendar is based on length of day, not temperature...

GLaDOS

It's only recently I realised Ireland was unusual in thinking summer starts in May, rest of the northern hemisphere goes with June. Makes sense as well tbh, August is generally warmer than May.

Cold War Kid

I guess it depends on what you go with: what you've been taught or what makes more sense to you.

1st of February as Spring seems bizarre to me. It's still winter at that stage, and will be well into March.

June is summer to me - May just seems like late Spring.

Over the last few years actually, it's just continued to be kinda wintry right into May - it hasn't really felt like there was any Spring.

August as autumn seems ludicrous. Even the first half of September can be very summery.

I wouldn't consider November autumn though - that's very much winter IMO. Some of October seems like winter to me also.
Autumn is a short window I think - mid September to mid October.

LadyFenghuang

When I go topless. Then YOU KNOW it's summer.

Eutow

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

When I go topless. Then YOU KNOW it's summer.

Ireland only has two and a half seasons. A windy, rainy, sort of cold/mild season - Nov - Apr (-2C to 10 C)

A warmer, less windy, still a rainy season - May - early Sep (10C to 25C)

Mid Sep to end of Oct, still too much rain (10C - 15C)

If going by the standard seasons it is:

Dec - Jan - Feb - Winter
Mar - Apr - May - Spring
June - July - Aug - Summer
Sep - Oct - Nov - Autumn