When does Summer start?

billythefish99

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Seasonal lag explains why using the Gaelic Calender to define the seasons is, quite simply, wrong.
Just because ye were taught it in school, lads, doesn't mean that it's true.

The calendar has nothing to do with temperature. The middle of summer is the longest day of the year, the middle of winter is the shortest day of the year. Makes perfect sense.

cbyrd

Seasonally spring starts on March 21st
Summer June 21st
Autumn September 21st
Winter December 21st

Calendarwise, spring Feb Mar Apr
Summer, may June July,
Autumn, August September October
Winter, November December January.

murpho999

cdeb wrote: »

I say February is spring, because it makes sense.

Seasons aren't based on the weather - it's too variable here for that. They're based on the grand aul stretch in the evening (or lack thereof). So it stands to reason the mid-point of the seasons should be the equinox/solstice. As per the wiki link posted just above.

November clearly isn't autumn. August the evenings visibly start to shorten, so it's clearly the start of autumn, and so on.

In the US, the seasons start on the equinox/solstice, which is just weird.

And of course in other parts of the world, there don't really do winter/spring/summer/autumn - it's either raining or not. So clearly we don't need to be bound by what everyone else is doing.

Seriously, you think that seasons are not based on weather? So do we get snow in August which is Autumn according to you or heatwaves in February which is Spring , of course we don't.

Our weather is not that variable, despite arguments here that we don't have much difference in seasons we do.

It's noticeable with crops, plants, migratory birds etc.

Ireland has 4 distinct seasons as we are in the temperate part of the world that has it. Other places that just have wet or dry are in the tropics, so it's a poor comparison.

Basing it on the "stretch of the evening" is looking at the system the wrong way.

I also find it amazing that only people in Ireland think this way and apparently all other countries are wrong on this.

GreaseGunner

Spring: March April
Summer: May June July August.
Autumn: September October November
Winter: December January February

That's my own personal calendar. Changes every year with the weather but I like to think that the summer isn't truly over on August 31st

billythefish99

murpho999 wrote: »

I also find it amazing that only people in Ireland think this way and apparently all other countries are wrong on this.

What difference does it make?

_Brian

kfallon wrote: »

About 4 o'clock today!

And be quick , it'll be over by 7:39 !

Tin Foil Hat

billythefish99 wrote: »

The calendar has nothing to do with temperature. The middle of summer is the longest day of the year, the middle of winter is the shortest day of the year. Makes perfect sense.

Only if you didn't bother to read about seasonal lag.

billythefish99 wrote: »

What difference does it make?

This reminds me of the joke about the mammy who went to watch her son march in a parade.
"How did he do?", she was asked later. "Great!", says she, "But all the other lads were out of step. Every single one of them."

Kalman

Summer begins with the summer solstice on Sunday, June 21, 2015 [The longest day]

Eugene Norman

billythefish99 wrote: »

The calendar has nothing to do with temperature. The middle of summer is the longest day of the year, the middle of winter is the shortest day of the year. Makes perfect sense.

Nobody in the rest of the world believes this. Maybe it's because Ireland has mild winters but of course in most places in the NH mid to late jan and early February is the coldest time of the year. Snow is on the ground.

Temperature is what matters when we are defining seasons.

Eugene Norman

Kalman wrote: »

Summer begins with the summer solstice on Sunday, June 21, 2015 [The longest day]

That's not generally accepted by Metreologists although it is astronomical summer. That said from the 21st June to 21st sept is most definitely the warmest part of the year. September is warmer than may.

billythefish99

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Temperature is what matters when we are defining seasons.

Says who?

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? And what difference does it make when one season starts and another ends?

Kalman

billythefish99 wrote: »

Says who?

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? And what difference does it make when one season starts and another ends?

The seasons makes a great difference to the growers of food around the world.

Eugene Norman

billythefish99 wrote: »

Says who?

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? And what difference does it make when one season starts and another ends?

That's what we're discussing.

exgp

Next summer.

dlouth15

In Northern European countries and North America they have Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter.

In tropical countries they don't have the four seasons. They may have a rainy season and a dry season or some other categorization.

In Ireland we really need our own system. We don't really have a summer with a reliable extended period of hot weather or a winter with snow. What we have is as sort of Autumn which extends to early March followed by a sort of Spring which extends to late September.

Maybe call these seasons Autumnish and Springlike.

LadyFenghuang

exgp wrote: »

Next summer.

I don't think so. But hopefully everyone will have a lovely summer anyway. :-)

billythefish99

Kalman wrote: »

The seasons makes a great difference to the growers of food around the world.

lol, Im pretty sure crops grow the same in May whether we say May is in spring or in summer

cdeb

murpho999 wrote: »

Seriously, you think that seasons are not based on weather? So do we get snow in August which is Autumn according to you or heatwaves in February which is Spring , of course we don't.

Irish seasons are not based on weather. That doesn't mean the weather doesn't vary with season.

murpho999 wrote: »

Basing it on the "stretch of the evening" is looking at the system the wrong way.

Not when the amount of work you could get done was dependent on the length of the day, it's not. Perfectly logical way of looking at it.

murpho999 wrote: »

I also find it amazing that only people in Ireland think this way and apparently all other countries are wrong on this.

Who said all other countries are wrong?

Ireland can do things one way and other countries can do it another way. If everyone did things the same way, the world would be very dull.

Worth noting as well that the four major historic Irish festivals - Imbolc, Bealtaine, Lúghnasa and Samhain - all marked the start of the seasons. A theory as to why Christmas Day is the 25th December is because it took its date from an old pagan festival marking the passing of the half-way point of winter - from then on, the day would start to lengthen and the worst of the winter was over.

Eugene Norman

cdeb wrote: »

Irish seasons are not based on weather. That doesn't mean the weather doesn't vary with season.


Not when the amount of work you could get done was dependent on the length of the day, it's not. Perfectly logical way of looking at it.


Who said all other countries are wrong?

Ireland can do things one way and other countries can do it another way. If everyone did things the same way, the world would be very dull.

Worth noting as well that the four major historic Irish festivals - Imbolc, Bealtaine, Lúghnasa and Samhain - all marked the start of the seasons. A theory as to why Christmas Day is the 25th December is because it took its date from an old pagan festival marking the passing of the half-way point of winter - from then on, the day would start to lengthen and the worst of the winter was over.

Yes it was the solstice when the calendar was out a few days.

I prefer to map weather to seasons. The nights may be drawing in in August but it's the warmest month. February is getting brighter but it's cold and bitter.

That's Metreological. Your arguments are astronomical but in science astronomical seasons start and end at the solstice.

evolving_doors

English Paper 1 Tuesday Morning
:pac:

Graces7

Happens when it happens. No need for labels and arguments. Just enjoy and/or cope..Legalism!

Graces7

"Summer is a-coming in,
Loud sing cuckoo.."

Still at it today and then they say.

"In June the cuckoo change his tune.."

JCX BXC

evolving_doors wrote: »

English Paper 1 Tuesday Morning
:pac:

I don't recall a time where English Paper 1 wasn't on a Wednesday morning

Spanish Eyes

Who really cares? It is all about the long days and late sunsets.

We had snow in March. Bloody awful in Spring!

The unpredictable weather here is a cause of much angst including me. We never know from day to day what our weather will be like.

The beauty of places like Southern Spain and France is, that no matter what it will always be fabulous weather in Summer every day. No wonder so many of us try to escape there!

Mutant z

June July and August are the summer months IMO.

jaxxx

Better question: when does summer END cos I'm sick of the lack of precipitation!