Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2015

L'prof

What annoys me most about last night is that we rested players for the weekend and will probably go on to win neither match! It wouldn't be the 1st time we've done this either. Rotation is important. I get that, but no away game is going to be straightforward enough to make so many changes.

KaiserGunner

emergingstar wrote: »

Watched the Chelsea game they coughed up a lot of Chances last night there still leaky at the back

I reckon we will create a few chances we just need to put them away

That's the big thing about Saturday's game. We haven't been nearly ruthless enough at all this season, wasting chance after chance. We can't afford to do this against Chelsea regardless of their form. Imo chances will be few and far between on Saturday, so we have to take any that come our way otherwise we will lose.

omega man

Alfred Borden wrote: »

0 tackles for a DM

https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/644252787690340352

For me Arteta was never a DM. Why he's regularly referred to one baffles me.

Anyway regardless of what type of midfield player he is its sad to say I think he's finished.

wandatowell

Arsene claiming their first goal was offside, didnt see the build up to it. Any truth to it?

wawaman

wandatowell wrote: »

Arsene claiming their first goal was offside, didnt see the build up to it. Any truth to it?

The only thing he is still world class at is making excuses

Quazzie

wandatowell wrote: »

Arsene claiming their first goal was offside, didnt see the build up to it. Any truth to it?

None.

L'prof

wandatowell wrote: »

Arsene claiming their first goal was offside, didnt see the build up to it. Any truth to it?

wawaman wrote: »

The only thing he is still world class at is making excuses

Quazzie wrote: »

None.

No. Watching it live, I did think there was a chance it could have been but looking at this I don't think so.

That's stopped just after the ball is struck too, best I could do.

Baggly

L'prof wrote: »

No. Watching it live, I did think there was a chance it could have been but looking at this I don't think so.

That's stopped just after the ball is struck too, best I could do.

From that, it looks like the defender has played him on.

wonga77

Wenger is silly to pick out their first goal, especially when there was more then a hint of offside about Walcotts finish

L'prof

Pter wrote: »

From that, it looks like the defender has played him on.

Decided to have another look and he actually looks slightly off in that pic but, like I said, the ball has already been struck. I'd say he was just on. Close, but not one I'd be complaining about!

L'prof

wonga77 wrote: »

Wenger is silly to pick out their first goal, especially when there was more then a hint of offside about Walcotts finish

Yeah, Walcott was definitely offside. Was offside the whole night when he came on!

greendom

Pter wrote: »

From that, it looks like the defender has played him on.

it may not have been offside but it was bloody lucky!

Baggly

If Joel was ever going to get a run in the squad, it should probably be now.

greendom

Pter wrote: »

If Joel was ever going to get a run in the squad, it should probably be now.

Didn't get much time but he didn't impress last night

L'prof

Pter wrote: »

If Joel was ever going to get a run in the squad, it should probably be now.

greendom wrote: »

Didn't get much time but he didn't impress last night

He was woeful last night, I wouldn't mind if he never played for us again. He really was that bad!!!

Baggly

In fairness, he has never got a decent run, which is more than can be said for OG and Theo, both of whom were also pretty useless last night.

L'prof

Pter wrote: »

In fairness, he has never got a decent run, which is more than can be said for OG and Theo, both of whom were also pretty useless last night.

Walcott was our biggest threat when he came on last night. Offside or not he got a goal to get us back into the game. Campbell did absolutely nothing. He's scored 18 goals in 142 club appearances!

Baggly

L'prof wrote: »

Walcott was our biggest threat when he came on last night. Offside or not he got a goal to get us back into the game. Campbell did absolutely nothing. He's scored 18 goals in 142 club appearances!

Didn't realise his stats were that bad. Jeez!

MaxPower89

Gibbs was pathetic last night, lack of desire and effort. Very little combination play with Alexis like Monreal. Played like a kid.

Ox also was so poor, defensively he isnt at the races at all. That should be the end of him starting now for the time being. Walcott/Ramsey on the right.

Debuchy was poor for the first goal perhaps, but the Ox put him in a terrible situation. I thought he was good enough other than that, pushed on when he could and links up well with others. Few well timed important tackles.

Arteta was bad. The lack of competition for Coquelin now is glaring, and is as bad as the lack of a forward signing. Maybe a super quality striker was not available, but a defensive MF? I'm sure we could have added here. Arteta is not Coquelin, and it's the latter's game we need.

Nothing needs to be said for Giroud. He is low on confidence clearly, but its the same missed chances, whinging, poor lay offs, losing it in contact...and then a brainless sending off. I wish he would man up. Even my wife sees he isnt great now, she remarked "Giroud was rubbish anyway wasnt he, he is always very hot and cold".

The lack of leadership was evident too last night, where was the game management? We gradually let these inferior teams come on to us, we had warning after warning but we don't learn. Silly passing, lack of effort which lets the momentum build for the opposition. Why we can't go out and control the game, be authoritive and impose outselves.

So frustrating.

zombieHanalei

Initially I was annoyed at Wenger for making too many changes, but let's just take the 6 players that came in on their own merits for a moment; these weren't young hopefuls hoping to make the breakthrough, it's not like 5 years ago when we threw on the likes of Bendtner and Traore and Denilson. Debuchy and Giroud are experienced French internationals. Gibbs is 25 and has been first choice and has plenty of experience, Arteta has been first choice and has unquestionable experience, Ospina is an international goalkeeper who has adequate experience, and Chamberlain is the only one of them who hasn't been first choice for an extended period but this is his 5th season and for a few years we've been awaiting that season where he pushes on and steps up but we're still waiting.

Even with the changes that was still a strong enough team to go and win that game. There was nobody on that team who could be considered a promising inexperienced youngster.

emergingstar

greendom wrote: »

Didn't get much time but he didn't impress last night

I thought he was very bad, and he should have been sent off too

MaxPower89

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

If If If, sick of it. It's Wenger's job to motivate his team nobody else's and If you want to blame the players so be it, but who signed them players?

I would'nt fully agree with this, yes the manager should motivate the team. But also the players need to do it for themselves. The motivation should be coming from with the camp, improving and reaching targets they set themselves.

Apologies for switching codes, But the Kerry GAA Manager always refers to the players driving the camp, it's the players that drive the thing. The management set the paramaters, but the players must take responsibility. The motivation should be coming from training, where Gibbs should be like a wild dog trying to get the jersey off Monreal. Is he doing that?

Is training a glorified kick about?

We saw in the hurling 2 weeks ago, it was a player who gave the rousing talk at half time. The managers work is done really when they arrive at the stadium.

Who gave the hairdryer last night at HT? Arteta was playing too bad himself to give it. Kos? Gibbs too meek and playing like a goat.

I doubt much was said.

emergingstar

MaxPower89 wrote: »

Gibbs was pathetic last night, lack of desire and effort. Very little combination play with Alexis like Monreal. Played like a kid.

Ox also was so poor, defensively he isnt at the races at all. That should be the end of him starting now for the time being. Walcott/Ramsey on the right.

Debuchy was poor for the first goal perhaps, but the Ox put him in a terrible situation. I thought he was good enough other than that, pushed on when he could and links up well with others. Few well timed important tackles.

Arteta was bad. The lack of competition for Coquelin now is glaring, and is as bad as the lack of a forward signing. Maybe a super quality striker was not available, but a defensive MF? I'm sure we could have added here. Arteta is not Coquelin, and it's the latter's game we need.

Nothing needs to be said for Giroud. He is low on confidence clearly, but its the same missed chances, whinging, poor lay offs, losing it in contact...and then a brainless sending off. I wish he would man up. Even my wife sees he isnt great now, she remarked "Giroud was rubbish anyway wasnt he, he is always very hot and cold".

The lack of leadership was evident too last night, where was the game management? We gradually let these inferior teams come on to us, we had warning after warning but we don't learn. Silly passing, lack of effort which lets the momentum build for the opposition. Why we can't go out and control the game, be authoritive and impose outselves.

So frustrating.

Very good post

jester77

Wenger is the first manager to lose 50 CL games.

jester77

jester77 wrote: »

Wenger is the first manager to lose 50 CL games.

I saw a stat the other day where his teams have been in more Champion's League matches than all but 4 CLUBS. Not really suprising he has lost more when he has played so many more than others.

wonga77

The only one who ever looks to take charge is Coq, even when he came on last night he started barking orders and made a few tackles, his progression over the last few months is admirable

zombieHanalei

Stats mean nothing without context. For example;

Arsenal have suffered defeat 46 more times than Tottehham Hotspur have in the Champions League.

greendom

wonga77 wrote: »

The only one who ever looks to take charge is Coq, even when he came on last night he started barking orders and made a few tackles, his progression over the last few months is admirable

I think he could be a real leader. I'm still hoping that Arteta has something in his locker for when Coquelin is unavailable but the signs did not look good last night.

DeclanRe

greendom wrote: »

I think he could be a real leader. I'm still hoping that Arteta has something in his locker for when Coquelin is unavailable but the signs did not look good last night.

My opinion has completely changed in the last year. But Coq, Bellerin and Monreal are for me possibly the 3 most important players we have at the minute. Ozil and Sanchez are bonuses - But if it was a decision to have those 3 or Ozil and Sanchez in the team, i'd pick the 3 guys every time, which is a crazy statement. But i really think they are holding this team together

Looper007

wonga77 wrote: »

The only one who ever looks to take charge is Coq, even when he came on last night he started barking orders and made a few tackles, his progression over the last few months is admirable

He's by far are best player so far this season, along with Gabriel. I'm really worried if he get's injured and we're stuck with Arteta who hasn't the legs anymore and really shouldn't be playing for Arsenal, Wenger is only keeping him around cause he's a good influence on the dressing room.

Looper007

greendom wrote: »

I think he could be a real leader. I'm still hoping that Arteta has something in his locker for when Coquelin is unavailable but the signs did not look good last night.

Arteta lost it even before his injury. To be fair to him he's not a DM and he should have been sold on during the summer. I think Wenger has to be at blame for not signing a DM, plenty out there better then Arteta.

DvB

The lack of strength in depth in key areas a night like last night shows up really reinforces how negligent it was to not reinforce the squad in the summer... instead going out at the group stage is a real possibility now give there's 2 games v Bayern Munich & an away game in Athens that will be far from easy... AW messed up last night IMO... I just hope there's enough fight in the squad to make up for it in the remaining games.

JustTheOne

DvB wrote: »

The lack of strength in depth in key areas a night like last night shows up really reinforces how negligent it was to not reinforce the squad in the summer... instead going out at the group stage is a real possibility now give there's 2 games v Bayern Munich & an away game in Athens that will be far from easy... AW messed up last night IMO... I just hope there's enough fight in the squad to make up for it in the remaining games.

Fight isn't something I have seen in an arsenal team in 10 years.

Alfred Borden

I wouldnt mind coming third in the group if we gave the Europa League a proper shot.

greendom

JustTheOne wrote: »

Fight isn't something I have seen in an arsenal team in 10 years.

No fight when we beat City at the Ethiad or United at Old Trafford last season. No fight when we were 2-0 down against Hull in the Cup Final ?

These are just off the top of my head and I'm sure there are plenty of other examples

wonga77

Maybe consistant fight rather than one off games here and there? the inconsistancy in our play is baffling.

wonga77

I know the same applies to both teams, well we had to travel last night whereas Chelsea did not but is it not a bit odd to be the early kickoff saturday after playing CL on a wednesday night?

greendom

wonga77 wrote: »

Maybe consistant fight rather than one off games here and there? the inconsistancy in our play is baffling.

a performance like last night would help to blot out anything good we've done recently, and they do crop up every now and again. 2 already this season

KaiserGunner

wonga77 wrote: »

I know the same applies to both teams, well we had to travel last night whereas Chelsea did not but is it not a bit odd to be the early kickoff saturday after playing CL on a wednesday night?

Yeah I think it's stupid, should at least be a later kick off. As always though the TV companies basically decide kick off times.

Nemeses2050

Alfred Borden wrote: »

I wouldnt mind coming third in the group if we gave the Europa League a proper shot.

I Would prefer we're totally out rather than Europa league, there's far too many games in Europa league and playing games on Thursday will further hinder us, as it's been proven with Spurs and other teams.

Alfred Borden

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

I Would prefer we're totally out rather than Europa league, there's far too many games in Europa league and playing games on Thursday will further hinder us, as it's been proven with Spurs and other teams.

Id like a run in Europe though and we all know it wont come in the Champions League. We could be only in with a fight for top four by the time our first Europa game comes about and Id fancy us to still finish ahead of Liverpool and Spurs still.

Ken Shamrock

MaxPower89 wrote: »

I would'nt fully agree with this, yes the manager should motivate the team. But also the players need to do it for themselves. The motivation should be coming from with the camp, improving and reaching targets they set themselves.

Apologies for switching codes, But the Kerry GAA Manager always refers to the players driving the camp, it's the players that drive the thing. The management set the paramaters, but the players must take responsibility. The motivation should be coming from training, where Gibbs should be like a wild dog trying to get the jersey off Monreal. Is he doing that?

Is training a glorified kick about?

We saw in the hurling 2 weeks ago, it was a player who gave the rousing talk at half time. The managers work is done really when they arrive at the stadium.

Who gave the hairdryer last night at HT? Arteta was playing too bad himself to give it. Kos? Gibbs too meek and playing like a goat.

I doubt much was said.

But again, If It Is the players you are blaming you must look at the man who signed those players.

I don't know what Gibbs Is like In training or If training Is a glorified kick about but If It Is and If Gibbs get's away with showing no desire In training once again, who does that fall on?? The manager.

MaxPower89 wrote: »

The managers work is done really when they arrive at the stadium.

Do you honestly believe that? I don't think that could be any further from the truth. The sentence alone saddens me.

jonneymendoza

arsenal are a joke tbh. need to get there act toegther

Marty McFly

It's mental to think there were plenty of people in here after the window shut who thought sure there was no players who could improve us.

bad2dabone

Marty McFly wrote: »

It's mental to think there were plenty of people in here after the window shut who thought sure there was no players who could improve us.

gimme a list of players who can improve us!

we need LISTS!

:pac:

Mr Blobby

Marty McFly wrote: »

It's mental to think there were plenty of people in here after the window shut who thought sure there was no players who could improve us.

Not buy another DM was criminal. There were at least 3 DMs better than our lot available and yet we didn't budge.

Ken Shamrock

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Not buy another DM was criminal. There were at least 3 DMs better than our lot available and yet we didn't budge.

We have Arteta tho :pac:

Ken Shamrock

http://www.squawka.com/news/shooting-boots-missing-breaking-down-arsenals-woeful-performances-in-front-of-goal/465121

greendom

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

http://www.squawka.com/news/shooting-boots-missing-breaking-down-arsenals-woeful-performances-in-front-of-goal/465121

At the beginning of last season I seem to remember that our shots to goals ratio was abnormally high. It's gone the other way this season. It could just be a statistical anomaly and will move back to the 10% range over the next few months. Time will tell

Bounty Hunter

I wonder if Coquelin will get any recognition from the French national team, he's not a "name" but he probably deserves it, especially if he keeps being Arsenal's MVP