Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2015

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

Anyone have any word on how Biliek is doing?
Thought he'd be on the fringes by now.

I was hoping to see him and Adelaide tomorrow. Adelaide's out for 2 months which is a real shame. Be great if Bielik can step up to the plate. Could do with another competent DM around the place.

tayto lover

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Playing centre back for the under 21's and supposedly really struggling.

Thought he was a DM.

Nemeses2050

Going through that Swiss Ramblers Analysis...Firstly We don't have £ 228 Million to spend only half of it which is still big money though... but Secondly more importantly as couple of comments suggest it seems there's a covenant with clubs creditor that We should have a net profit every year. I guess that's why Club baulked at those prices...

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

Thought he was a DM.

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/2595128/krystian-bielik-adapting-as-arsenal-under-21s-centre-back

Marty McFly

greendom wrote: »

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/2595128/krystian-bielik-adapting-as-arsenal-under-21s-centre-back

I love how they manage to squeeze that little line in at the end for no apparent reason :pac:

greendom

Marty McFly wrote: »

I love how they manage to squeeze that little line in at the end for no apparent reason :pac:

yes I spotted that too!

5star02707

The Gunners were the only side in the top five European leagues not to sign an outfield player this summer :pac::pac::pac:

Quazzie

5star02707 wrote: »

The Gunners were the only side in the top five European leagues not to sign an outfield player this summer :pac::pac::pac:

We did.

greendom

Quazzie wrote: »

We did.

2 in fact

Marty McFly

Marty McFly wrote: »

So Wenger has said he tracked Martial but decided not to move for him because of the strength we have.

He even name dropped Joel Campbell who he seems to have about as much faith in as he did with Vela.

Strange comments either that or he's sitting at home having a right giggle at trolling the Arsenal fans.

He's just talking the piss now.

greendom wrote: »

I agree with this to a degree but had Martial turned out to be a flop (and who knows, he still might) then that would have been a huge amount of money to throw on a punt. Maybe United can afford that kind of gamble but I'm not sure we can.

A player that age is like signing an English player, even if he's ****e you'll get most of the money back when selling him so the "risk" isn't near the transfer fee.

One thing getting to me is the massive increase in the wage bill. Ridiculous stuff. I don't see how paying more for the same thing is a sign of progress or improvement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_Arsenal_F.C._season#Transfers

I wouldn't count academy or reserves. Unless we're also gonna count the 12-year-olds in the academy.

greendom

Deleted User wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_Arsenal_F.C._season#Transfers

I wouldn't count academy or reserves. Unless we're also gonna count the 12-year-olds in the academy.

Adelaide would surely have appeared tomorrow were it not for the recent injury he picked up ?

greendom

greendom wrote: »

Adelaide would surely have appeared tomorrow were it not for the recent injury he picked up ?

That's unintentionally the most Arsenal thing ever. :pac:

Just on the Swiss Ramble thing, the way the debt is currently financed seems like terrible value considering how quickly the debt could be paid back. One reason to keep the cash reserves for no benefit to the club could be to make any buy-out leveraging a lot easier.

Nemeses2050

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on the Swiss Ramble thing, the way the debt is currently financed seems like terrible value considering how quickly the debt could be paid back. One reason to keep the cash reserves for no benefit to the club could be to make any buy-out leveraging a lot easier.

The timing of the recession didn't help Arsenal either i.e. They not getting as much as they expected from Highbury and the re-financing deal...I think they should look at the financing deal again with the New bumper TV Deal coming into play now.

Nemeses2050

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

The timing of the recession didn't help Arsenal either i.e. They not getting as much as they expected from Highbury and the re-financing deal...I think they should look at the financing deal again with the New bumper TV Deal coming into play now.

They only restructured about 2 or 3 years ago when things had picked up. Being London there was a blip in property prices but compared to the rest of the UK it was just that, a blip. The current deal seems to make very little sense at all, between the high interest along with the requirement to keep £35million or whatever in cash at all times.

Bobby Baccala

Would like to see iwobi get some game time tomorrow

greendom

Deleted User wrote: »

That's unintentionally the most Arsenal thing ever. :pac:

yes I did think that as I was typing. I thought to myself "Button is sure to made a deal of this - and I wouldn't blame him either "

Nemeses2050

Deleted User wrote: »

They only restructured about 2 or 3 years ago when things had picked up. Being London there was a blip in property prices but compared to the rest of the UK it was just that, a blip. The current deal seems to make very little sense at all, between the high interest along with the requirement to keep £35million or whatever in cash at all times.

Agree, They probably didn't expect the market to improve so much and obviously the bumper TV deal...but they should look at it again.

greendom

greendom wrote: »

yes I did think that as I was typing. I thought to myself "Button is sure to made a deal of this - and I wouldn't blame him either "

Not making a big deal at all, just impossible to miss the hilarious irony.

greendom

Deleted User wrote: »

Not making a big deal at all, just impossible to miss the hilarious irony.

sure

Gabriel's 3 match ban rescinded.... Amazing! Really didn't expect that.

Wonder about the other charge though....

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150922/fa-release-statement-on-gabriel

AdamD

Shocked at that

Ken Shamrock

Basil3 wrote: »

Gabriel's 3 match ban rescinded.... Amazing! Really didn't expect that.

Wonder about the other charge though....

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150922/fa-release-statement-on-gabriel

That's truly amazing considering what he did In the Stoke game as well, he has to count his lucky stars now and show that he has learned from his mistakes.

I love the aggression and passion he shows, but he needs to be more intelligent.

DeclanRe

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

That's truly amazing considering what he did In the Stoke game as well, he has to count his lucky stars now and show that he has learned from his mistakes.

I love the aggression and passion he shows, but he needs to be more intelligent.

He could still get nailed for the improper conduct charge! I can't imagine he will get away without some sort of a ban

Nemeses2050

DeclanRe wrote: »

He could still get nailed for the improper conduct charge! I can't imagine he will get away with some sort of a ban

Agree, I think he'll be nailed for that, but may be only 1 game and fine.

Nemeses2050

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

That's truly amazing considering what he did In the Stoke game as well, he has to count his lucky stars now and show that he has learned from his mistakes.

I love the aggression and passion he shows, but he needs to be more intelligent.

I think in stoke game both were at it, but Arnoutovic came worst and ref saw that, that's why it wasn't referred I guess.

greendom

AdamD wrote: »

Shocked at that

shocked and delighted

Nemeses2050

greendom wrote: »

shocked and delighted

your man across the bridge must be raging.:D

efb

If he gets a 1 match ban can it be the league cup? (Not sure which happens first)

efb

efb wrote: »

If he gets a 1 match ban can it be the league cup? (Not sure which happens first)

He has until Thursday to appeal I think, don't know how long the sentence takes after that.

symbolic

Why would it be rescinded?

emmetlego

symbolic wrote: »

Why would it be rescinded?

Improper charge? Technicality?

Lucas Hood

Shocked at that card being rescinded. Regardless of what Costa did Gabriel still kicked out at him.
Letting people away with that is stupid from the FA.

greendom

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Shocked at that card being rescinded. Regardless of what Costa did Gabriel still kicked out at him.
Letting people away with that is stupid from the FA.

we need to see a full statement from the FA - but people are surmising that the kick out wasn't enough to be considered violent. From what I saw of it it did look like the kind of hoof raise you'd see from a horse in dressage.

Paleface

What Costa did to Koscielny was ten times worse than what Gabriel did to Costa.

The FA are trying to restore some balance to the poor officiating on the day.

extra gravy

wonga77

Eva Carneiro has left Chelsea, the fans wont be happy with Jose

Edit - Looks like she is suing them also

Mr Blobby

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Shocked at that card being rescinded. Regardless of what Costa did Gabriel still kicked out at him.
Letting people away with that is stupid from the FA.

He actually didn't kick him.
There is a reverse angle from the goal line that shows he did nothing wrong. If you slow down the video Gabriel doesn't even make contact with Costa's leg (goes between his legs).

Video - http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/9/21/9362549/gabriel-diego-costa-kick-out-replays

Gabriel just lifts his leg while Costa is standing behind him. There was also reports that ESPN Brazil were contacted by Arsenal to get video footage of the kick.

If the FA are going to be consistent then they need to take Mike Dean off of Premier league duty, he completely ruined that game.

batistuta9

he goes to kick in fairness, not just lifting his leg :pac:. i can't see his foot between costas legs either as his right leg blocks it

keano_afc

The only just thing to do now is to give the 3 game ban to Costa.

brianregan09

Mike Dean should get punished aswell to be fair banning players is pointless if the refs don't get punished aswell

gosplan

Gabriel decision should stand tbh. It was a silly thing to do but he did it.

Costa should be banned for 3/4 games given previous.

Dean should be left alone though, refs make mistakes, you can't go holding them accountable for everything. If Costa is smart enough to do it behind his back, he might get away with it on the day. Dean just shouldn't be allowed ref us for a while.

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Gabriel decision should stand tbh. It was a silly thing to do but he did it.

Costa should be banned for 3/4 games given previous.

Dean should be left alone though, refs make mistakes, you can't go holding them accountable for everything. If Costa is smart enough to do it behind his back, he might get away with it on the day. Dean just shouldn't be allowed ref us for a while.

Agree with your first points.
Dean however makes 90 percent of his mistakes while refereeing Arsenal games and it's no coincidence.

extra gravy

gosplan wrote: »

Gabriel decision should stand tbh. It was a silly thing to do but he did it.

Costa should be banned for 3/4 games given previous.

Dean should be left alone though, refs make mistakes, you can't go holding them accountable for everything. If Costa is smart enough to do it behind his back, he might get away with it on the day. Dean just shouldn't be allowed ref us for a while.

A bad decision that changed the outcome of an important game isn't just a mistake, it's incompetence. Why should he not be punished for doing his job badly?

gosplan

extra gravy wrote: »

A bad decision that changed the outcome of an important game isn't just a mistake, it's incompetence. Why should he not be punished for doing his job badly?

Because unless you support the refs properly, they're going to make mistakes.

If we accept that they're going to make mistakes, then we can't start demoting them.

Unless there's some protocol about handling incidents he missed, you can't demote him for making a single wrong decision and not seeing stuff that was behind his back.

cathalio11

Completely agree with you here Gosplan. Already made my points Re: Mike Dean on page 496.

But to summarise, Mike Dean was watching the play on the wings as any trained referee would and should do.
The incident happened way out of his sight. If anything, the assistant had a perfect view as he would have been watching the defenders to keep in line.

tayto lover

Can either of you point to an Arsenal game refereed by Dean in which Arsenal didn't come out worse than the opposition? I cannot.

martingriff

gosplan wrote: »

Because unless you support the refs properly, they're going to make mistakes.

If we accept that they're going to make mistakes, then we can't start demoting them.

Unless there's some protocol about handling incidents he missed, you can't demote him for making a single wrong decision and not seeing stuff that was behind his back.

This I agree with if Dean was looking right at what Costa did and missed it then I would say yes he needs a demotion or something but he can only go with what he sees and Gabriel reacted (regardless of how slight it is) and under the rules that is a red. I do not like the rule I think it should be changed to severity of the reaction. Blaming Dean is not going to cut it for the match before the red Chelsea while not great looked the more likely to get anything and your players should be not getting hot and bothered.

It was Costa ye knew he would throw a wobble that would get him sent off but ill discipline to just walk away was the reason for the red

wandatowell

Great news.