Full carbon clincher ?

Dzygit

Hi All

Any expirence with full carbon clinchers , read some stuff online about heating up and blow tube.

What is your expirence with carbon clincher is good idea or stay away and back to alu / carbon one.

regards Darius

AstraMonti

If you are not going to descend the alpes you 'll be fine with the carbon clinchers. If you haven't tried carbon rims before make sure you get used to braking before going on a fast descend, you need to retrain your self of how these things stop, it's quite different to an alu rim.

Dzygit

AstraMonti wrote: »

If you are not going to descend the alpes you 'll be fine with the carbon clinchers. If you haven't tried carbon rims before make sure you get used to breaking before going on a fast descend, you need to retrain your self of how these things stop, it's quite different to an alu rim.

Hi
Thx for replay

Not going to Alps only Wiclow fast spin sometime - Maynooth -Sally Gap - Roundwood - Glendalough - Maynooth.

Saw old Reynolds Assault 2011 are selling as a superstar components now just thinging about them warranty UK , only problem thet are 20.8 wide vs Veltec Speed /German one - 23mm .

regards
Darius

Chips Lovell

If you're going for clinchers I'd get alloy rims.

Chips Lovell

If it's for spins in Wicklow I'd get something low profile. Deep rims like those Reynolds are only really useful for racing.

Lusk_Doyle

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

If it's for spins in Wicklow I'd get something low profile. Deep rims like those Reynolds are only really useful for racing.

Not to mention an absolute nightmare in the Wicklow hills. I rode 50mm rims there one year during the Orwell Randonee and it was like I was sailing. How I stayed upright I have no idea!

rayzerp

Replaced Fulcrum Racing Zero recently with Reynolds Assault Slg. I had debated this for a long time and had read various opinions on the whole carbon clincher debate. Took the plunge and am absolutely delighted with Reynolds wheels-look fantastic, they are fast on the flat and climb very well, have been out in some terrible crosswinds and they are genuinely better than the fulcrums in this regard- the lower profile and new u shape definitely make a huge difference over previous older deep section wheels i have ridden. i live near Slieve blooms so do a lot of climbing/descending and braking performance with Reynolds pads is exactly the same as alloy in dry and admittedly not fantastic in wet but i have seen worse from alloy wheels and certain brakes....I can live with it. Fantastic do it all wheelset and I cant fault them.

Dzygit

hi all
just still digging google and is so many opinions about clinchers alu / carbon vs full carbon.
Looking wide rim 22-23mm nad 35mm + up 52mm max

rayzerp what is you wight if I can ask ... Im 100kg

rayzerp

Dzygit wrote: »

hi all
just still digging google and is so many opinions about clinchers alu / carbon vs full carbon.
Looking wide rim 22-23mm nad 35mm + up 52mm max

rayzerp what is you wight if I can ask ... Im 100kg

I am 87 kg

at1withmyself

Not sure if it helps but I've used Carbon Clinchers for nearly 3 years and wind has never bothered me. My biggest gripe is the braking reliability. I have a second pair of wheels with aluminium braking surface and always prefer them in the rain.

The only way I'd buy new full carbon clinchers would be with hydraulic brakes otherwise I'll be sticking to aluminium rimmed ones.

harringtonp

rayzerp wrote: »

Replaced Fulcrum Racing Zero recently with Reynolds Assault Slg. I had debated this for a long time and had read various opinions on the whole carbon clincher debate. Took the plunge and am absolutely delighted with Reynolds wheels-look fantastic, they are fast on the flat and climb very well, have been out in some terrible crosswinds and they are genuinely better than the fulcrums in this regard- the lower profile and new u shape definitely make a huge difference over previous older deep section wheels i have ridden. i live near Slieve blooms so do a lot of climbing/descending and braking performance with Reynolds pads is exactly the same as alloy in dry and admittedly not fantastic in wet but i have seen worse from alloy wheels and certain brakes....I can live with it. Fantastic do it all wheelset and I cant fault them.

Hi Rayzerp,

Just wondering how the Reynolds Assault are holding up, still happy with them ? The braking comes well regarded as carbon clinchers go. Maintenance wise how have you found them (this is something that hardly ever comes up in reviews) ?

Been looking at carbon clinchers for a while now, no hurry but would like to own a set before being too far into the race season. The reynolds assault/strike can be picked up cheaper than sets from other established brands.

Paul.

rayzerp

Hi Paul,
Yes still very Happy. In fairness I only get out once a week at weekends with rest on the trainer but they have about 7000Km on them and bearings/cassette body etc are perfect. I have had campagnolo/Fulcrum wheels show a bit of play after less km. I may have been a bit over generous saying that braking in dry is same as alloy...it isn't but I can live with it....braking in wet takes getting used to but again given the wheels other characteristics its not a show stopper and Reynolds are as good if not better that other carbon rims so....

harringtonp

And while on this thread has anyone bought the Cero RC45s ?

https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/cero-rc45-carbon-clincher-wheelset-0045-f20-r24-7380

They come with free tyres but what I can't understand is why they fit them with the continental grand sport race rather than something more performant like the GP 4000. Has me wondering are the wheels a bit heavier than advertised, most purchasers won't take of the tyres just to weigh them.

And at first glance

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/easton-ec90-aero-55-road-clincher-wheelset/rp-prod143626

looked a good deal particularly when it comes to features such as aero/weight/tubeless setup (where no rim tape is necessary). But once you start delving into user comments you see that the braking is at the level of 1st generation carbon clinchers and well below current offerings.

harringtonp

rayzerp wrote: »

Hi Paul,
Yes still very Happy. In fairness I only get out once a week at weekends with rest on the trainer but they have about 7000Km on them and bearings/cassette body etc are perfect. I have had campagnolo/Fulcrum wheels show a bit of play after less km. I may have been a bit over generous saying that braking in dry is same as alloy...it isn't but I can live with it....braking in wet takes getting used to but again given the wheels other characteristics its not a show stopper and Reynolds are as good if not better that other carbon rims so....

Glad to hear that. Don't suppose you ever tried a tubeless setup on them, they are TR after all ? And did you go for the crash replacement scheme with them ?

rayzerp

Had intended to try tubeless but Using michelin Pro 4 endurance and no punctures for 2.5 years so have not messed with a good thing! Did not go for crash replacement but might have looked more into it if I was racing...

rayzerp

harringtonp wrote: »

And while on this thread has anyone bought the Cero RC45s ?

https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/cero-rc45-carbon-clincher-wheelset-0045-f20-r24-7380

They come with free tyres but what I can't understand is why they fit them with the continental grand sport race rather than something more performant like the GP 4000. Has me wondering are the wheels a bit heavier than advertised, most purchasers won't take of the tyres just to weigh them.

And at first glance

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/easton-ec90-aero-55-road-clincher-wheelset/rp-prod143626

looked a good deal particularly when it comes to features such as aero/weight/tubeless setup (where no rim tape is necessary). But once you start delving into user comments you see that the braking is at the level of 1st generation carbon clinchers and well below current offerings.

Had I not gone for the Reynolds wheels I would probably have gone down the custom built route with somebody like Wheelsmith in UK

dermabrasion

Struggled with this very question earlier this year, and came to a decision based on this.
1. I race in A4 / club league, therefore I'm usually drafting at around 36-40 kph. Deep sections will have a marginal aero benefit.
2. I train in wicklow=hilly. Lighter wheels better.
3. It rains a lot, or at least there is a lotto surface water. Breaking performance is key.
4. My annual trips abroad are either Flanders/Roubaix (windy) or in the high mountains. I am 90kgs so descending on carbon, at speed on clinchers might end badly.
So, for the same money for a decent set of carbon clinchers at mid range money 1200-1500, you get top end alloys. So I ended up with Mavic R-Sys. Very light, fast enough, strong and really can stop.

harringtonp

dermabrasion wrote: »

So, for the same money for a decent set of carbon clinchers at mid range money 1200-1500, you get top end alloys. So I ended up with Mavic R-Sys. Very light, fast enough, strong and really can stop.

Take your point, though problem I have with the likes of the Mavic R-Sys SLR is that i was able to buy a set of 1400+ gram Alexrims from Superstar components with a lifetime truing guarantee for a fraction of the cost and I wonder in reality what extra would the R-Sys give me....

A bit of extra speed in combination with a setup with less punctures is what would do it for me.

I don't often puncture but when I do it's usually while racing and it really messes it up, I've never managed yet to get back on after getting one.

harringtonp

rayzerp wrote: »

Had I not gone for the Reynolds wheels I would probably have gone down the custom built route with somebody like Wheelsmith in UK

Actually that is a great site, lots of useful information

outfox

Re carbon clinchers, is there a risk of grit getting caught between the rim and the brake pad, and thus gouging out a huge track in the rim? It's the one thing that has always put me off full carbon wheels.

07Lapierre

outfox wrote: »

Re carbon clinchers, is there a risk of grit getting caught between the rim and the brake pad, and thus gouging out a huge track in the rim? It's the one thing that has always put me off full carbon wheels.

Yes... which is why you should clean your bike after every ride and don't use them in bad weather. Keep them for racing (in the summer)

harringtonp

Well guys. Have been on the eternal and head wrecking merry-go-round the past few days looking for the perfect wheelset. For me this is a good balance of aero, weight and price. Tubeless readiness and low maintenance would ideally be in there too.

Bit on the lazy or unadventurous side so tubular is out. For what I want weight and aero wise I'm looking at carbon clincher which of course means I need to consider braking performance as well (you can see how the head gets sore)

I've looked at big brands such as Easton/Zipp/Reynolds/Fulcrum, new brands such as mantel/cero/cosine/hunt and wheel builders such as wheelsmiths. Below are some of the promising sets I've seen along with what puts me off a little about them. There are plenty of positives of course with all of these but you'll quickly figure them out for yourselves:

- Easton EC90 Aero 55, 1149stg

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/easton-ec90-aero-55-road-clincher-wheelset/rp-prod143626?utm_source=awin&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=generic169609&awc=2698_1484213080_c64dfc75cebfcbbcddd046a743424212

Poor first generation braking combined with wideness of rim and possible difficulty fitting it puts me off

- Reynolds Assault 1121E and Assault/Strike combo 1168E

http://www.starbike.com/en/reynolds-assault-clincher-tubeless/?#
http://www.starbike.com/en/reynolds-assault-strike-clincher/

No info at all on hubs. Tubeless solution seems an after thought and people have difficulty with it. When you start looking into warranty, crash protection and cost of returning faulty items across the Atlantic you realise you and your lbs are effectively on your own with American products if anything goes wrong. There's a lot to be said for staying Europe and even more so Britain where there is no language barrier.

- Fulcrum racing quattro 971E

http://www.probikekit.co.uk/bicycle-wheels/fulcrum-racing-quattro-carbon-40mm-clincher-wheelset-2016/11184769.html?countrySelected=Y

Had been looking at this a long time but its not tubeless and doesn't have an aero profile. Everything else seems good, you'll get a slightly better price if you wait.

- Cero RC45, 800stg

https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/cero-rc45-carbon-clincher-wheelset-0045-f20-r24-7380

Looks good though not tubeless ready. From user reviews people have got these much cheaper in mad sales so worth waiting

- Mantel 50mm , 900E

https://www.mantel.com/ie/mantel-50mm-full-carbon-clincher-road-wheelset?r=L2llL3doZWVsc2V0LXJvYWQjc3RhcnQ4#

Also looks good though also not tubeless ready. And as above people have got these much cheaper so worth waiting.

- Cosine 45mm, 645E

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/cosine-45mm-full-carbon-clincher-wheelset/

Bit heavier than other 45mm cc's, not tubeless ready

- Hunt 50mm, 1000stg

https://www.huntbikewheels.com/collections/road-rim-brake-wheels/products/hunt-55carbon-wide-aero-road-wheelset-1549g-55deep-26wide-999

You'll do better on price.

- Wheelsmith zipp rim 303 copy with their own hubs, 850 stg

http://www.wheelsmith.co.uk/powertap-c10at/5253dfac-668f-3774-3d1d-60a9c2f4a70b

Not tubeless ready, great site for somebody who knows and is particular about their hubs.

================================

Well guys what takes your fancy from above ? Aero is a big thing but one thing I noticed is that the big brands spend a lot on R&D, do wind tunnel testing and have big marketing apartments to rave about how great they are. The smaller and cheaper brands have no aero data but just copy the rim shape of the big boys, they're nearly all toroidal.
I betting on them being almost as good in aero terms with the difference being negligible but how can you ever really know...

I've left out what I feel may be the best option for my criteria. If I get some decent feedback and discussion here I'll tell you what I think it is ;-)

And finally some links for background reading I came across:

https://intheknowcycling.com/2015/05/01/best-all-around-road-bike-wheels-2015/#Criteria
https://intheknowcycling.com/2015/07/10/best-aero-all-around-road-bike-wheels/
http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/207578-buyers-guide-tubeless-wheels

nilhg

harringtonp wrote: »

Well guys. Have been on the eternal and head wrecking merry-go-round the past few days looking for the perfect wheelset. For me this is a good balance of aero, weight and price. Tubeless readiness and low maintenance would ideally be in there too.


Well guys what takes your fancy from above ? Aero is a big thing but one thing I noticed is that the big brands spend a lot on R&D, do wind tunnel testing and have big marketing apartments to rave about how great they are. The smaller and cheaper brands have no aero data but just copy the rim shape of the big boys, they're nearly all toroidal.
I betting on them being almost as good in aero terms with the difference being negligible but how can you ever really know...

I've left out what I feel may be the best option for my criteria. If I get some decent feedback and discussion here I'll tell you what I think it is ;-)

And finally some links for background reading I came across:

https://intheknowcycling.com/2015/05/01/best-all-around-road-bike-wheels-2015/#Criteria
https://intheknowcycling.com/2015/07/10/best-aero-all-around-road-bike-wheels/
http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/207578-buyers-guide-tubeless-wheels

Reading the above brought to mind Swissside, I only have a set of their gotthard alu wheels and they've been brilliant, I'd be quite happy to go with them again.

harringtonp

nilhg wrote: »

Reading the above brought to mind Swissside, I only have a set of their gotthard alu wheels and they've been brilliant, I'd be quite happy to go with them again.

Lovely looking wheels. Saw the Hadron Ultimate starting at 881E and was very interested. Then realised that was for one wheel and quickly lost interest !

Koobcam

outfox wrote: »

Re carbon clinchers, is there a risk of grit getting caught between the rim and the brake pad, and thus gouging out a huge track in the rim? It's the one thing that has always put me off full carbon wheels.

You could just as easily do that with aluminium wheels. I suppose you'd probably have spent more on carbon rims though

Homer1798

I've used Farsports full carbon clinchers in 38mm and 50 mm (both sets came in at an impressive 1295grams) for the last 4 years racing with zero problems. I've found brake block material has a huge effect on braking ability in dry and wet conditions. With the Farsports rims I've found the cheap BBB carbon rim brake blocks work very well.

I took my time picking my wheels based on others experiences of these and of various other brands, these haven't let me down in any way, cost/reliability/performance. They were around €550 + €90 postage when I bought them and came with light weight skewers and brake blocks (which were good but wore very quickly). I weigh about 100kg and they have been more than adequate despite my bulk.

http://farsports.com/