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Headphones Megathread

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    #572
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,404 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    endagibson wrote: »
    Off topic.


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    #573
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Trojan wrote: »
    Having no headphones does not magically give cyclists superpowers. In city traffic it's nigh on impossible to distinguish where vehicles are by sound.

    What's far more important is to look around regularly and know where cars are and where they're going in relation to your bike. Whether a cyclist is listening to headphones or not is irelevant.

    Drivers, heal thyself: turn off your blaring radio, open your windows, stop doing 31km/h in a 30 zone, stop encroaching on yellow boxes, and parking in bike lanes. Do all that before you even consider coming after me for listening to a goddamn business podcast while I'm cycling.

    That is slightly exaggerated...Superpowers? Its common sense and safe not to be using earphones. Im sure it might be safe in the likes of Mayo but Dublin is a different kettle of fish.

    Im sure you will continue and i hope nothing happens to you or someone else as a result.


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    #574
    Fuzzytrooper
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fuzzytrooper


    I doubt its any safer, again if my past experience is anything to go by, smaller towns make hearing even more important than in Dublin. A lot more pokey with less defined cycle tracks.


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    #575
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    That is slightly exaggerated...Superpowers? Its common sense and safe not to be using earphones. Im sure it might be safe in the likes of Mayo but Dublin is a different kettle of fish.

    Im sure you will continue and i hope nothing happens to you or someone else as a result.

    Actually i'd say the opposite.

    I don't wear earbuds in rural areas because its peaceful and pleasant to cycle there. Whereas in the city, there's so much noise, its nice to have some music to listed to. I don't wear earbuds when cycling on a group ride either..that's just rude!


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    #576
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Quarantine-style megathreads are a great idea.

    I guess this one could be mentioned in the charter with the hi-viz and helmet ones?

    That was quick, gadetra!


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    #577
    endagibson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭endagibson


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Nicely put. reduce the risk of an accident.
    It's actually risk compensation, namely that when people feel that they are more protected, they take greater risks.


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    #578
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    I'd never rely on my ears. You always have to look.

    Those damn electric cars are always sneaking up on people. They should have to have a speaker out the front blaring revving sounds.


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    #579
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    That is slightly exaggerated...Superpowers? Its common sense and safe not to be using earphones. Im sure it might be safe in the likes of Mayo but Dublin is a different kettle of fish.

    Im sure you will continue and i hope nothing happens to you or someone else as a result.

    What about deaf people? If hearing is a requirement should they be banned?


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    #580
    Agent Smyth
    Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Agent Smyth


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Actually i'd say the opposite.

    I don't wear earbuds in rural areas because its peaceful and pleasant to cycle there. Whereas in the city, there's so much noise, its nice to have some music to listed to. I don't wear earbuds when cycling on a group ride either..that's just rude!


    I wear them all the time country side or city but pull them out when I meet other cyclists on the country spins


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    #581
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    traprunner wrote: »
    What about deaf people? If hearing is a requirement should they be banned?

    I never said it was a requirement to allow a person to cycle. Im just saying that it is safer to cycle without earphones and those who have the ability to hear should use it for their own safety at least.


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    #582
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I never said it was a requirement to allow a person to cycle. Im just saying that it is safer to cycle without earphones and those who have the ability to hear should use it for their own safety at least.

    We are heading towards a world of electric cars. How would they be heard?


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    #583
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I never said it was a requirement to allow a person to cycle. Im just saying that it is safer to cycle without earphones and those who have the ability to hear should use it for their own safety at least.

    Can you give an example of where your ability to hear adds to a cyclists safety?

    I'll start...your cycling along about a meter from the side of the road...cars are passing you by...your cycling into a headwind...the noise of the wind is deafening.. What difference dos a bit of: Led Zepplin's "whole Lotta love" make? What noise is the cyclist not hearing that is dangerous?


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    #584
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    traprunner wrote: »
    We are heading towards a world of electric cars. How would they be heard?

    You are right but its not only a vehicle engine you hear. Somebody could be beeping to warn you about something or a pedestrian might yell to give warning to danger. In general you hear things around you so it could be the difference between causing and avoiding an accident.


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    #585
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    traprunner wrote: »
    We are heading towards a world of electric cars. How would they be heard?

    The tyres! "tyre roar" is much louder than engine noise, especially when the roads are wet!


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    #586
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    You are right but its not only a vehicle engine you hear. Somebody could be beeping to warn you about something or a pedestrian might yell to give warning to danger.

    Ok, I'm baffled as to how a car behind beeping is warning a cyclist of any danger. I'd love examples.

    Roadhawk wrote: »
    In general you hear things around you so it could be the difference between causing and avoiding an accident.

    So a cyclist is at fault for a car hitting them from behind...but only if they have headphones on, or are deaf, or if it is a windy day?


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    #587
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I never said it was a requirement to allow a person to cycle. Im just saying that it is safer to cycle without earphones and those who have the ability to hear should use it for their own safety at least.

    Do you actually cycle?


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    #588
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    The safety fallacy: Assumption that if a safety measure exists, then it is logical to take it.


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    #589
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    You are right but its not only a vehicle engine you hear. Somebody could be beeping to warn you about something or a pedestrian might yell to give warning to danger. In general you hear things around you so it could be the difference between causing and avoiding an accident.

    In my 18 years of cycling, neither of these has ever happened. Not even once. Perhaps cyclists should start carrying guns in case they get attacked by bears


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    #590
    omri
    Registered Users Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    I'm cycling with the earphones, never had any issues with it. If were talking about headphones being a dangerous thing to use while cycling we should look at the use of radio in the cars too. For some reason more and more things are deemed unsafe or at least tend to be regulated today more than they were 10-20 yrs ago, on some occasions probably without any good reason.


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    #591
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    omri wrote: »
    If were talking about headphones being a dangerous thing to use while cycling we should look at the use of radio in the cars too.

    It would appear to be far more dangerous in a car to have a radio on. So many people boogie in the car when their favourite song comes on and therefore lessens their control of the ton vehicle.


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    #592
    Agent Smyth
    Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Agent Smyth


    Does the sound of the car that's going to hit a cyclist sound any different to the car that passes the cyclist by ??


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    #593
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    traprunner wrote: »
    So a cyclist is at fault for a car hitting them from behind...but only if they have headphones on, or are deaf, or if it is a windy day?

    That is a very poor perception of what i was saying. apportioning blame or fault in an accident is an entirely different matter. the examples given were just random scenarios showing how it is safer to cycle without earphones.


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    #594
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Synode wrote: »
    Do you actually cycle?

    I was a cyclist. not for pleasure. I was a Dublin city commuter for 2 years. (2013-2014)


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    #595
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I was a cyclist. not for pleasure. I was a Dublin city commuter for 2 years. (2013-2014)

    I think if I had only 2 years cycling experience, I too would be hesitant to use earphones. Especially if all my cycling was in Dublin traffic! I first started cycling with headphone almost 30 years ago. I learned to drive over 20 years ago, so maybe my cycling and motoring experience has shaped my opinion on wearing headphones?


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    #596
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    That is a very poor perception of what i was saying. apportioning blame or fault in an accident is an entirely different matter. the examples given were just random scenarios showing how it is safer to cycle without earphones.

    No, you said "In general you hear things around you so it could be the difference between causing and avoiding an accident." That is apportioning blame on a cyclist just because they can't hear. You explicitly link hearing and accidents.


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    #597
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Synode wrote: »
    In my 18 years of cycling, neither of these has ever happened. Not even once. Perhaps cyclists should start carrying guns in case they get attacked by bears

    Why does sarcasm creep into these conversations?

    As a seasoned veteran you of all people should be aware that a cyclist who is aware of their surroundings (sight and sound) is being safer than a cyclist who is not aware of their surroundings.

    This conversation will go around in circles. The bottom line is that its not illegal yet and until there are statistics to show the level of danger involved there wont be any action taken to make it illegal.


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    #598
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    I think if I had only 2 years cycling experience, I too would be hesitant to use earphones. Especially if all my cycling was in Dublin traffic! I first started cycling with headphone almost 30 years ago. I learned to drive over 20 years ago, so maybe my cycling and motoring experience has shaped my opinion on wearing headphones?

    Possibly why i see it as dangerous.


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    #599
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Why does sarcasm creep into these conversations?

    As a seasoned veteran you of all people should be aware that a cyclist who is aware of their surroundings (sight and sound) is being safer than a cyclist who is not aware of their surroundings.

    This conversation will go around in circles. The bottom line is that its not illegal yet and until there are statistics to show the level of danger involved there wont be any action taken to make it illegal.

    I was awaiting your stats source when you said it was safer to be able to hear when cycling. I'm disappointed now :pac:


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    #600
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Why does sarcasm creep into these conversations?

    As a seasoned veteran you of all people should be aware that a cyclist who is aware of their surroundings (sight and sound) is being safer than a cyclist who is not aware of their surroundings.

    This conversation will go around in circles. The bottom line is that its not illegal yet and until there are statistics to show the level of danger involved there wont be any action taken to make it illegal.

    I am completely aware of my surroundings with or without headphones. You're still able to hear the outside world with earphones in, albeit a little less clearly. I have never once had to rely on my hearing while cycling.


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    #601
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Possibly why i see it as dangerous.

    It could also be interpreted as you having an opinion on something that you have no experience at.


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