rip off republic - is it back?

ScumLord

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I'm sceptical.

Relatives of mine were in Dingle when the dustbin lorry had a brake failure. Thankfully no one was hurt then - but in the event of some unforeseen malfunction who do we programme the computer to colide with?

~ the party of schoolkids
~ the young mother pushing a pram
~ the ambulance coming the other way
~ the OAP just minding their own business

I don't know why we assume people would be any better at this than a computer. It's not like humans have a reputation of acting rationally in a emergency situation. We'd panic and probably take out two or more of the groups.

First of all brake failure is less likely on AI cars as they'd be monitoring their own consumables. As they'd likely be part of a fleet there would be regular servicing as standard, in the event of brake failure the AI would fall back onto the safest way of stopping the car as quickly as possible (probably signalling all the other cars and possibly traffic lights around it that it was going to attempt an emergency stop). There are ways of bringing a combustion engine to a stop without brakes, if it's an electric car it's even easier to stop without brakes. I don't think the car would even bother with trying to decide who around it least deserves to die, it will just try and stop as quickly as possible. Trying to direct the car could cause more problems so it's pointless.

On getting sick or damaging the cars, they could very well work on a monthly fee basis (for best rates), they'll be covered in cameras and might require a credit/debit card if your not registered.

anncoates

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Taxi's in this country are expensive alright. It won't last long though, autonomous cars will decimate the taxi industry in the next 5 years.

Every major car company, along with Google and Apple are even working on this technology, so it's only a matter of time.

Wonder how they'll deal with no pays. Running them over or locking their doors and setting themselves on fire would be cool.

Seriously though your belief that automated taxis will be cheaper is touching and probably almost certainly wrong, it being Ireland.

gerrybbadd

Is it back? Sure it never went away

jack presley

Patww79 wrote: »

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I wouldn't say there's much ripping off going on in games of Bingo compared to the Celtic Tiger days.

ScumLord

anncoates wrote: »

Wonder how they'll deal with no pays. Running them over or locking their doors and setting themselves on fire would be cool.

Seriously though your belief that automated taxis will be cheaper is touching and probably almost certainly wrong, it being Ireland.

Of course they'd be cheaper, they wouldn't be bothering with the systems if they didn't believe they'd be cheaper.

The biggest cost to just about any company is labour. Robots remove all the costs associated with hiring humans like maximum hours, safety regulations, insurance, strikes, holiday pay, maternity pay, training.. The list of costs associated with people goes on and on.

Robots have their own costs which might seem high because it's expensive initially, but the day to day costs of running a robot are tiny compared to hiring a human. Even if you have to pay a fancy engineer a thousand Euros to spend a day fixing it, that's still not much more than a weeks wages for a human and it's a cost that usually only comes up every other year if people don't keep up with maintenance.

AMKC

rip off republic - is it back?

Did it ever go away? This country has and always will be expensive because we have a small population and are an island Country. Things like transport,electricity,internet are going to be expensive compared to say a country like France,Spain,America, or even the U.K because they have a bigger population so have a bigger market and can sell cheaper. Also because we are an island country we import all our oil and don,t hedge any like say big airlines do when its cheap so we are always dependent on the markets for oil. If there is not much demand and there is a huge oversupply of oil it will be cheaper(The way we all want it) but if there is demand and not enough oil then its going to be more expensive also conflicts like in Iraq and Lipya and other parts of the world can effect prices too.

Grayson

anncoates wrote: »

Wonder how they'll deal with no pays. Running them over or locking their doors and setting themselves on fire would be cool.

Seriously though your belief that automated taxis will be cheaper is touching and probably almost certainly wrong, it being Ireland.

Think of it like this, the hardware is the cheapest pat. That's because if it was too expensive a taxi driver couldn't afford it. A full-time taxi driver earns enough to pay for the car and himself over a few years.

I'd imagine that to use one you would swipe a credit card when you get in and would be charged when you reach your destination.

AMKC

ScumLord wrote: »

Of course they'd be cheaper, they wouldn't be bothering with the systems if they didn't believe they'd be cheaper.

The biggest cost to just about any company is labour. Robots remove all the costs associated with hiring humans like maximum hours, safety regulations, insurance, strikes, holiday pay, maternity pay, training.. The list of costs associated with people goes on and on.

Robots have their own costs which might seem high because it's expensive initially, but the day to day costs of running a robot are tiny compared to hiring a human. Even if you have to pay a fancy engineer a thousand Euros to spend a day fixing it, that's still not much more than a weeks wages for a human and it's a cost that usually only comes up every other year if people don't keep up with maintenance.

A thousand euros for a weeks wages wish I could get that. Don,t know what planet you are living on but if that is the wages for a week it must be a good one. Can,t say I know many people getting that kind of money.

anncoates

ScumLord wrote: »

Of course they'd be cheaper, they wouldn't be bothering with the systems if they didn't believe they'd be cheaper.

The biggest cost to just about any company is labour. Robots remove all the costs associated with hiring humans like maximum hours, safety regulations, insurance, strikes, holiday pay, maternity pay, training.. The list of costs associated with people goes on and on.

Robots have their own costs which might seem high because it's expensive initially, but the day to day costs of running a robot are tiny compared to hiring a human. Even if you have to pay a fancy engineer a thousand Euros to spend a day fixing it, that's still not much more than a weeks wages for a human and it's a cost that usually only comes up every other year if people don't keep up with maintenance.

If the state or a private business in this country actually load the savings if any from automated taxis back into cheaper fares, I'd be amazed.

I suppose we'll wait and see

PARlance

AMKC wrote: »

A thousand euros for a weeks wages wish I could get that. Don,t know what planet you are living on but if that is the wages for a week it must be a good one. Can,t say I know many people getting that kind of money.

If you read his post you'll realise he is taking about the cost to the employer, not what gets filtered down to the employees take home pay.

An employer paying someone 47k per annum costs them 1 thousand per week (when you add employers PRSI). It's hardly a fat cats salary.

ScumLord

anncoates wrote: »

If the state or a private business in this country actually load the savings if any from automated taxis back into cheaper fares, I'd be amazed.

I suppose we'll wait and see

I think a free market would force them too. It would be much easier for anyone to set up an automated taxi business. You would be buying a regulated product, you'd just need to set up and maintain an office, you could probably outsource the maintenance and servicing to a specialist company but other than that it's standard office employees. With the driver removed from the equation you'd have substantial cost savings. Less need for solicitors, HR, insurance, less work for accountants and the car can run 24/7 without hiring more people.

If the current batch didn't pass on those savings someone else would undercut them by a substantial margin. The likelihood is the current crop of public transport companies wouldn't be able to adapt. They'd find it hard to switch without being bombarded with law suits and strikes. The companies introducing automated taxi's and buses are going to have to undercut the normal transport companies to get everybody to switch to them.

Bayberry

ScumLord wrote: »

The biggest cost to just about any company is labour. Robots remove all the costs associated with hiring humans like maximum hours, safety regulations, insurance, strikes, holiday pay, maternity pay, training.. The list of costs associated with people goes on and on.

A bit like the change from horses to engines - engines were expensive, but they were cheaper to run, and they didn't cost anything on days that they weren't being used, and they were easier to fix than a horse! At the time, engines weren't even more powerful or faster than horses, but once the changeover started, it was inevitable.

Buona Fortuna

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know why we assume people would be any better at this than a computer. It's not like humans have a reputation of acting rationally in a emergency situation. We'd panic and probably take out two or more of the groups.

First of all brake failure is less likely on AI cars as they'd be monitoring their own consumables. As they'd likely be part of a fleet there would be regular servicing as standard, in the event of brake failure the AI would fall back onto the safest way of stopping the car as quickly as possible (probably signalling all the other cars and possibly traffic lights around it that it was going to attempt an emergency stop). There are ways of bringing a combustion engine to a stop without brakes, if it's an electric car it's even easier to stop without brakes. I don't think the car would even bother with trying to decide who around it least deserves to die, it will just try and stop as quickly as possible. Trying to direct the car could cause more problems so it's pointless.

Sorry ScumLord I would have replied a little sooner but my computer decided to do its own thing for a little will and I had to reboot it - Of course something like that would not happen if this box of wires and resistors was actually in charge of a car.

Wasn't the A400M crash something to do with a computer missing an update - of course that couldn't happen where cars are concerned.

I'm still sceptical. I intend to carry on driving myself and where that's not possible, by someone else paid for his time and skill.

Puddle Q

goldencrisp62 wrote: »

Rip off Republic back in full swing lads. A 15 minute taxi this morning cost me 30 euro. From red cow Luas to bewley's leopards town.

Pretty disgusted I must say. I travelled on a 2 hour bus that cost me a tenner this morning to the red cow before having my pockets emptied by the thieves with the taxi plates.

Anyone else had any recent rip offs?

Are those your fingers ? They look really odd - oily and misshapen and very out of proportion. Have you had a professional look at them ?

homeguru

Yip Rip Eire is back any tourist needs a brain check to come to this ****hole especially listening to some of the arsewipes posting here spose they mostly chinese so wont understand the crap.
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Bayberry

PARlance wrote: »

If you read his post you'll realise he is taking about the cost to the employer, not what gets filtered down to the employees take home pay.

An employer paying someone 47k per annum costs them 1 thousand per week (when you add employers PRSI). It's hardly a fat cats salary.

When you add in other overheads (training, holiday time, insurance, a desk, office supplies, tools, heat and light, etc ), an employee costs an employer a lot more than the employee's salary + taxes. I think you'd be closer to a 40K salary in many cases for an employee that "cost" an employer a grand a week.

homeguru

Oh and before all ye nano braincells post back defending the robbery and giving your ever so clever or so you think with a head full of spanners drivelly piss answers..here is what i want ye to do for me.........................................
PISSSSS OFFFFFFFFFFF

Greyian

PARlance wrote: »

If you read his post you'll realise he is taking about the cost to the employer, not what gets filtered down to the employees take home pay.

An employer paying someone 47k per annum costs them 1 thousand per week (when you add employers PRSI). It's hardly a fat cats salary.

On top of that, when you factor in that someone only works ~230 days/year (261 weekdays - 29 days (9 public holidays + 20 minimum holiday entitlement)) per year, that €52k cost to the employer only actually buys 46 weeks worth of service. So to get a cost of €1,000 per week actually worked for the employer, you're probably looking at a salary closer to €42k for the employee (just salary + employer PRSI, there would be plenty still on top of that as well, so even lower).


Massive savings to be made for transport companies when they can get rid of the labour costs.

Billy86

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Sorry ScumLord I would have replied a little sooner but my computer decided to do its own thing for a little will and I had to reboot it - Of course something like that would not happen if this box of wires and resistors was actually in charge of a car.

I fell asleep midway through reading this. I woke back up, and my computer was still on.

biko

goldencrisp62 wrote: »

Rip off Republic back in full swing lads. A 15 minute taxi this morning cost me 30 euro. From red cow Luas to bewley's leopards town.

Pretty disgusted I must say. I travelled on a 2 hour bus that cost me a tenner this morning to the red cow before having my pockets emptied by the thieves with the taxi plates.

Anyone else had any recent rip offs?

Get a bike. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution

Eugene Norman

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know why we assume people would be any better at this than a computer. It's not like humans have a reputation of acting rationally in a emergency situation. We'd panic and probably take out two or more of the groups.

First of all brake failure is less likely on AI cars as they'd be monitoring their own consumables. As they'd likely be part of a fleet there would be regular servicing as standard, in the event of brake failure the AI would fall back onto the safest way of stopping the car as quickly as possible (probably signalling all the other cars and possibly traffic lights around it that it was going to attempt an emergency stop). There are ways of bringing a combustion engine to a stop without brakes, if it's an electric car it's even easier to stop without brakes. I don't think the car would even bother with trying to decide who around it least deserves to die, it will just try and stop as quickly as possible. Trying to direct the car could cause more problems so it's pointless.

On getting sick or damaging the cars, they could very well work on a monthly fee basis (for best rates), they'll be covered in cameras and might require a credit/debit card if your not registered.

The AI is human programmed.

Eugene Norman

homeguru wrote: »

Oh and before all ye nano braincells post back defending the robbery and giving your ever so clever or so you think with a head full of spanners drivelly piss answers..here is what i want ye to do for me.........................................
PISSSSS OFFFFFFFFFFF

I disagree.

_Brian

goldencrisp62 wrote: »

Rip off Republic back in full swing lads. A 15 minute taxi this morning cost me 30 euro. From red cow Luas to bewley's leopards town.

Pretty disgusted I must say. I travelled on a 2 hour bus that cost me a tenner this morning to the red cow before having my pockets emptied by the thieves with the taxi plates.

Anyone else had any recent rip offs?

Should have walked, better for your pocket and your health.

Crimsonforce

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The robbin Germans thievs

Knew they couldn't keep it up