Reseeding 2015

just do it

2 bags of gram lime gone out here and plan on 0.5-0.75t of ground lime in a few weeks on reseeded heavy land. Planning on applying this level of ground lime for a few years in a row and see how it goes.

Good silage ground will be getting 2t this September and soil test all in early spring.

CloughCasey1

Rang Moregrass today and explained what sort of ground we have light free draining that likes wettish and mild conditions or it scorches in a week of sun. He rang back and said ironically it is a wet land mix that will suit ya the best. As I'm not an expert what do ye reckon?

MG50 11.5kg acre bag- 3.5kg Blog,1.5kg Elital, 2kg Foxtrot, 2.5kg Delphin, (all PRG's)1.5kg Comer (Timothy) 0.5kg coated clover blend

Greengrass1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Rang Moregrass today and explained what sort of ground we have light free draining that likes wettish and mild conditions or it scorches in a week of sun. He rang back and said ironically it is a wet land mix that will suit ya the best. As I'm not an expert what do ye reckon?

MG50 11.5kg acre bag- 3.5kg Blog,1.5kg Elital, 2kg Foxtrot, 2.5kg Delphin, (all PRG's)1.5kg Comer (Timothy) 0.5kg coated clover blend

never heard of the 1st 3. Personally o like to stick the DAFM recommended list

mahoney_j

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Rang Moregrass today and explained what sort of ground we have light free draining that likes wettish and mild conditions or it scorches in a week of sun. He rang back and said ironically it is a wet land mix that will suit ya the best. As I'm not an expert what do ye reckon?

MG50 11.5kg acre bag- 3.5kg Blog,1.5kg Elital, 2kg Foxtrot, 2.5kg Delphin, (all PRG's)1.5kg Comer (Timothy) 0.5kg coated clover blend

That sounds nuts putting a wetland mix into dry land .if twas me I'd be going 50/50 diploid tetraploid .also 11.5,kg ain't enough .13/14 kg needed

Milked out

Agree with mj, if you aren't spreading max N perhaps include clover in the mix as well

just do it

Ring 2 more suppliers, don't just rely on one. I've received good advice from McGuiness previously

CloughCasey1

mahoney_j wrote: »

That sounds nuts putting a wetland mix into dry land .if twas me I'd be going 50/50 diploid tetraploid .also 11.5,kg ain't enough .13/14 kg needed

Thats what I thought. Going to ringa a few other lads.

joeyboy12345

A wet paddock i drained and reseeded is due for a post emergence spray,it has clover in it so usually use underclear,but i see a few rushes poping up their head again,what will kill these?it got lime at seeding but will need more again next year and we have drained it,how sucessful it will be time will tell!any sugestions?

CloughCasey1

Milked out wrote: »

Agree with mj, if you aren't spreading max N perhaps include clover in the mix as well

That's what I said to him. He didn't really have an answer. I asked could another kg of clover be added to the mix and he said he couldn't vary from what goes into the bags. And I can always set clover again
If I wanted.

td5man

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

That's what I said to him. He didn't really have an answer. I asked could another kg of clover be added to the mix and he said he couldn't vary from what goes into the bags. And I can always set clover again
If I wanted.

Seeddirect.ie /McGuinness will put what ever you want in a mix and will give you good advice re what to use.

Greengrass1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

That's what I said to him. He didn't really have an answer. I asked could another kg of clover be added to the mix and he said he couldn't vary from what goes into the bags. And I can always set clover again
If I wanted.

Are you in glanbia area?
They have very good mixes I find. Very high yielding.
Or ring germinal seeds they are very good for advice

mahoney_j

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

That's what I said to him. He didn't really have an answer. I asked could another kg of clover be added to the mix and he said he couldn't vary from what goes into the bags. And I can always set clover again
If I wanted.

Just goes to show you need to do your own homework through places like here and look at the dept approved grass varieties .etc.some an afull lot of salesmen haven't a clue when u start asking questions and start bluffing

just do it

Teagasc have plenty good info as well available through google

Limestone Cowboy

When's the latest ye would think of setting seed lads bearing in mind I'm on the wet and windy west coast? Always thought spring reseeded came better around here from what I seen but easier to put a few acres aside this time of year to do it.

stretch film

Have a small bit to do next week.
Looking for probably a pallet of 10's and gran lime .
Any prices ?

browned

Would anyone ever consider sowing an early heading variety as a monoculture? Am looking at the variety called Rosetta and it has double the spring grass value of all other varieties it has relatively average summer and autumn values and has reasonable value for grass quality. It looks like a variety suited to growing grass at the shoulders. So while I except its a no no to use an early header in a mix with late headers does the same rule apply when using it as a monoculture?

just do it

LC
My own tuppence is you want at least 2 good grazings before closing for the winter. Considering it will be very prone to poaching the earlier you can start grazing the better so I agree for wet land the earlier the better.

Greengrass1

browned wrote: »

Would anyone ever consider sowing an early heading variety as a monoculture? Am looking at the variety called Rosetta and it has double the spring grass value of all other varieties it has relatively average summer and autumn values and has reasonable value for grass quality. It looks like a variety suited to growing grass at the shoulders. So while I except its a no no to use an early header in a mix with late headers does the same rule apply when using it as a monoculture?

Does heading date matter that much?
It's probably a week early than most. Will that make much of a diifer

just do it

Walked my reseed today. The seed was spread 17 days ago and is flying ahead on the wetter spots and slower to come on the drier areas. It's got ideal rain since spreading the seed - a bit every day! Now if it stops again in a few weeks to allow it to dry out for post emergence spray and grazing I'll be laughing. September is normally a dry enough month right? (fingers crossed)

just do it

This went in a bit late for my liking in September 2013 and the photo tells why I'm not an advocate of autumn reseeds on wet land. On the left is the drier section of the field where I managed to get it grazed before closing in 2013 and again in early Spring 2014. On the right it didn't get grazed before closing and didn't get an early graze in 2014. By the time it was grazed it was gone too heavy. The line is where temporary wire was used to split it into paddocks. Other than grazings both sides have gotten the same lime, slurry, and fertiliser since 2013. It's also closed for second cut with the first cut been taken in mid June so both sides should look the same. You can see the difference in quality.

raypallas

Limestone Cowboy wrote:

When's the latest ye would think of setting seed lads bearing in mind I'm on the wet and windy west coast? Always thought spring reseeded came better around here from what I seen but easier to put a few acres aside this time of year to do it.

Can be tricky to graze it at the back end of the year, not ideal if it got too wet and you had to leave to the spring. Having said that have 7 acres to do next week but the weather isn't looking great. I wouldn't seed anything after the end of august unless you could get some light stock or sheep to give it a light graze.

Limestone Cowboy

raypallas wrote: »

Can be tricky to graze it at the back end of the year, not ideal if it got too wet and you had to leave to the spring. Having said that have 7 acres to do next week but the weather isn't looking great. I wouldn't seed anything after the end of august unless you could get some light stock or sheep to give it a light graze.

Sheep would be part of my plan on any reseeding I plan on doing, thinks cows are too heavy for the ground around here anyway until the sod thickens up again.

Username John

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Sheep would be part of my plan on any reseeding I plan on doing, thinks cows are too heavy for the ground around here anyway until the sod thickens up again.

Saw you asking about a flok number all right limestone.
What are your fences like?
As for the sod - I assume you would go the spray, chain harrow route - to minimise existing sod disturbance?

Username John

Finally got the bit of reseeding done here...
Fcuking months later than planned
(Plan was to do it in June, not August)

Anyways, in now... Raining away on it now...

Limestone Cowboy

Username John wrote: »

Saw you asking about a flok number all right limestone.
What are your fences like?
As for the sod - I assume you would go the spray, chain harrow route - to minimise existing sod disturbance?

I was thinking of going with 4 strands of polywire where I had intended to do. It's about 4 acres of a big open 20 acre field. Have a friend that fences them in that way and it works the finest for him. There's a few mootes I wanted to level off so would need a digger there for a few hours and was going to give it a few runs of a disc and chain Harrow. It's the way the contractor always does it and seems to do the business.

Robson99

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I was thinking of going with 4 strands of polywire where I had intended to do. It's about 4 acres of a big open 20 acre field. Have a friend that fences them in that way and it works the finest for him. There's a few mootes I wanted to level off so would need a digger there for a few hours and was going to give it a few runs of a disc and chain Harrow. It's the way the contractor always does it and seems to do the business.

Have 10 acres sprayed off for 3 weeks here. Waiting for a few fine days to disc it and sow, [ going with 3 runs of disc and seed with one pass ].
Looks like wont happen this week either with weather. Depressing!!!

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Does heading date matter that much?
It's probably a week early than most. Will that make much of a diifer

It matters a lot in a mix as multiple heading days can cause havoc but I've no idea would it matter in a monoculture. The spring growth of this grass is fantastic and isn't that when you really need good growth.

Greengrass1

browned wrote: »

It matters a lot in a mix as multiple heading days can cause havoc but I've no idea would it matter in a monoculture. The spring growth of this grass is fantastic and isn't that when you really need good growth.

I'd say give it a shot so. Just keep it well grazed in may.
Sowed clanrye here yesterday. Fantastic soil where we sowed it

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I'd say give it a shot so. Just keep it well grazed in may.
Sowed clanrye here yesterday. Fantastic soil where we sowed it

Just a thought for next year. Only spring reseeding here. Sowed 3 paddocks of abergain and one each of Abergreen (I think) and a clanrye this year. Have a few grazings off the clanrye. Looks good so far.

Robson99

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I'd say give it a shot so. Just keep it well grazed in may.
Sowed clanrye here yesterday. Fantastic soil where we sowed it

What method GG?

just do it

Greengrass1

Robson99 wrote: »

What method GG?

Horsch tillage drill. Put fert down with it too
Last pic is last job we did in may with it.
First graze 1st July 3rd graze finished today.

Robson99

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Horsch tillage drill. Put fert down with it too
Last pic is last job we did in may with it.
First graze 1st July 3rd graze finished today.

Thats serious going GG. Have always been a bit sceptical about using DDrilling but if weather doesn't improve might have no choice.

Greengrass1

Robson99 wrote: »

Thats serious going GG. Have always been a bit sceptical about using DDrilling but if weather doesn't improve might have no choice.

All reseeding will be done that way hete from now on. Great job imo.
That ground gas grown just short of 5t grass since it was sown.
Excellent weather for it atm. Nice and damp.

Robson99

Greengrass1 wrote: »

All reseeding will be done that way hete from now on. Great job imo.
That ground gas grown just short of 5t grass since it was sown.
Excellent weather for it atm. Nice and damp.

Very clean award. What post emergence spray did you use?

Greengrass1

Robson99 wrote: »

Very clean award. What post emergence spray did you use?

Master crop under sown. Was clean before we reseeded so no weeds really got into new one.
I would spray for weeds first though if it was a dirty field and sowing that way

djmc

How long is it taking seeds to germinate in this weather

td5man

djmc wrote: »

How long is it taking seeds to germinate in this weather

If they have sense they won't. 10 days

milligan2

Was to reseed 7 acres here in the south west but the weather has been too wet,let the cows graze it for the last week without spraying because I got sick of waiting for a dry spell.
Could I spray and reseed after the cows finish or would I have to wait for fresh regrowth?will be power harrowing

milligan2

Was to reseed 7 acres here in the south west but the weather has been too wet,let the cows graze it for the last week without spraying because I got sick of waiting for a dry spell.
Could I spray and reseed after the cows finish or would I have to wait for fresh regrowth?will be power harrowing

C4d78

milligan2 wrote: »

Was to reseed 7 acres here in the south west but the weather has been too wet,let the cows graze it for the last week without spraying because I got sick of waiting for a dry spell.
Could I spray and reseed after the cows finish or would I have to wait for fresh regrowth?will be power harrowing

I think it'd be best leave it recover for 5days or so& then you'll have some regrowth. Spray should work better then. It depends how tight you graze with cows.
You'll need leafs to ensure spray is effective

Greengrass1

milligan2 wrote: »

Was to reseed 7 acres here in the south west but the weather has been too wet,let the cows graze it for the last week without spraying because I got sick of waiting for a dry spell.
Could I spray and reseed after the cows finish or would I have to wait for fresh regrowth?will be power harrowing

We usually spray after cows gave it a tight graze worked grand
You could direct drill and spray 3-4 days after sowing with out effecting seed

raypallas

Got around 7 acres in there on Saturday just gone. It was disced early on Tuesday but we got a lot of rain afterwards. Got the manure out, stones picked and rolled just before we got a light shower in the afternoon.

But the crows have the a lot of sods turned in one field, it actually looks like we haven't rolled it at all! Will it slow down the grass seeds?

Greengrass1

raypallas wrote: »

Got around 7 acres in there on Saturday just gone. It was disced early on Tuesday but we got a lot of rain afterwards. Got the manure out, stones picked and rolled just before we got a light shower in the afternoon.

But the crows have the a lot of sods turned in one field, it actually looks like we haven't rolled it at all! Will it slow down the grass seeds?

Always happens with discing don't worry about it

3 the square

am I too late yet for a few acres of reseeding ? could spray it tomorrow how long again before it can be greased ?

raypallas

3 the square wrote:

am I too late yet for a few acres of reseeding ? could spray it tomorrow how long again before it can be greased ?

You could chance it, you'd want to leave it two weeks atleast after spraying. If it was dry ground i would. Have put in seed in the first week of September before on dry ground and worked out okay.

C4d78

3 the square wrote: »

am I too late yet for a few acres of reseeding ? could spray it tomorrow how long again before it can be greased ?

Could be grazed after 4 or 5 days

CloughCasey1

td5man wrote: »

Seeddirect.ie /McGuinness will put what ever you want in a mix and will give you good advice re what to use.

Got onto seeddirect.ie. very helpful fella and spent plenty of time giving advice. Went through what I have and that I was going to be looking for clover to do as much summer N as possible.
Anyone have any experience of the following?

Glenveagh 6kg
Aston Energy 8kg
Avoca 1kg
Chieftain 1/2 kg

CloughCasey1

Sowed on August 23rd would it be ok to spray now with mildish days and cold nights or am i as well to let weanlings graze it back in two wks and leave spray until spring?

john p mc g

I've 2 acres that I drained and levelled wasn't grazed in years it's boggy ground but dry would I get away with a bit of seed on it now it's in glas for permanent pasture so I can't burn and reseed it I prayed it for weeds and rushes