''Dispute between rival biker gangs sees man fatally shot in head''

Mightydrumming

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Sometimes the moderation in AH confuses me. Someone puts up an article about someone (who's not in a bike club) being killed by a shotgun blast to the head, and the mods have warnings and issue infractions. Yet when someone posts about a biker getting blasted in the head with a shotgun, it's ok for posters to crack jokes. Hmmm...





There's been clubs in Ireland for decades. You have the MC's and MCC's.

MCC's (Motor Cycle Club) can be set up by anyone, or a group of friends who are into biking. 99% of the time, it's a group of like minded people, with a huge interest in bikes and drinking. There are hundreds of MCC's in Ireland, and they wear their patches on the front. No back patch. Again, 99% of the time, MCC's are law abiding people who just like the rally scene and enjoy getting together with other MCC's and having the craic. Some of the MCC's yearly rallies attract huge crowds, and it's a day/evening/weekend of drinking, music and craic.

MC's (Motorcycle Club) on the other hand are more serious. To get into an MC, you have to be invited, and it really is like on Sons of Anarchy. You have to be willing to give up everything to pander to the presidents requests. If you're at work, and the pres tells you to go get him a 6-pack, you drop everything and get it. Usually (in America and most of mainland Europe), these clubs are involved in some sort of criminality, mostly to do with guns or drugs. They can be very dangerous. They wear their patches on their backs. Unless you're in an MC, you can be attacked for wearing your clubs patch on your back. It's an unwritten rule, and one no one should break.

In Ireland, the Mc's are the Vikings MC, Road Tramps MC, Freewheelers MC and Devils Disciples MC. They are a quiet bunch of lads, rarely if ever getting into bother or coming to public attention. It's not like European or American MC's. The difference between Ireland and the rest of the world is that the Irish MC's are banding together, calling themselves the 1%'ers, and are actively stopping foreign MC's from getting a foothold in Ireland. They intend on stopping the Hells Angels MC getting in here, which is a good thing.

As for this shooting, the Road Tramps are relatively quiet. They usually don't bother anyone, show up to a few rallies, don't cause hassle. However, the surfacing problem in Ireland is that there is a new club. They consist of the rejects from MC's and MCC's who are too nuts to not cause trouble. As such, they are doing a lot of ground work for a foreign MC to get in here. I know the name of the club, but i'm not posting it here because it's not in the news yet. Sufficed to say, they're a dangerous bunch of people, and stone mad on top of it.

RIP to Mr. O'Donoghue, and my thought are with his family, friends and the Road Tramps.

Appreciate that post, thanks! I never new about MC's in Ireland. I'm guessing it's the new club that's causing the ruckus? It got a bit out of hand with some jokes, that wasn't my intention prior to starting this thread. As I've said before in a previous post, condolences to the family, friends and the Road Tramps. Thanks again for the post

Potential-Monke

Aye, a new wannabe MC made up of the rejects from other clubs.

I wasn't giving out about anyone in particular, just that it's an Irish man that was killed, and possibly known to people on here. As said above, other threads had been closed because of similar comments.

Mightydrumming

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Aye, a new wannabe MC made up of the rejects from other clubs.

I wasn't giving out about anyone in particular, just that it's an Irish man that was killed, and possibly known to people on here. As said above, other threads had been closed because of similar comments.

I can imagine! No I understand where you are coming from, some of the comments should have received infractions or the thread closed down. I'm new to Boards so I'll think twice before posting in AH again

eyebrows63

jmayo wrote: »

I seem to remember when in college in Limerick many moons ago, there was a bust up between bikers.
I think it happened one night in that bar in Foxes Bow and they ended up outside one of the other guys houses out in Rhebogue, Dublin Road.
They tried to petrol bomb his house so he blew one of them off a bike with a shotgun.

Maybe someone has better memory of this and can fill in the gaps.

The bar on Foxes bow was called Buddy's where they would hang out . the house where that guy got killed was on the corner of St.Patricks rd and the Dublin rd. I can't remember how long ago it was but as you said it was many moons ago

Hans Bricks

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Aye, a new wannabe MC made up of the rejects from other clubs.

I wasn't giving out about anyone in particular, just that it's an Irish man that was killed, and possibly known to people on here. As said above, other threads had been closed because of similar comments.

The Hells Angels have a chapter up in Mulhuddart apparently. The Outlaws have up to 5 or 6 here last time I checked. Would they be as troublesome as their US and European counterparts or this new "reject" MC you referred to ?

Massimo Cassagrande

Being straight up, I wasn't for one second being sneery or jokey - It was honest interest as I know sfa about MCC/Mc's but think they're an interesting group, dunno why. I agree 100% with the RIP Mr O'Donoghue, I was actually shocked(and I never am) that it had come to this - someone getting killed due to rivalries. The "taxing bikes" comment was genuine interest - you hear "outlaw bikers" and kinda wonder, "how outlaw?" - not in regard to ODD, just in general. So, wasn't being sneery, just was genuinely interested in learning a bit more tbh. There's a severe lack of "unconventional" people in Ireland, I kinda have a sneaking regard for anyone who is, not my business, but fascinating, none the less.

ThisRegard

Hans Bricks wrote: »

The Hells Angels have a chapter up in Mulhuddart apparently.

And you'd never even know they were there. Was out running one afternoon and ran by their club house as some were leaving, pretty impressive all the same.

Coincidentally enough I only read the history of them, and other clubs, over the weekend.

Sunnyisland

http://www.hellsangelsireland.com/hamc_ireland.html

Hellsangels website Ireland

Hans Bricks

ThisRegard wrote: »

And you'd never even know they were there. Was out running one afternoon and ran by their club house as some were leaving, pretty impressive all the same.

Coincidentally enough I only read the history of them, and other clubs, over the weekend.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.404595,-6.395349,3a,75y,288.25h,81.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sL4Q5AxC6hnG8uxTAWilzhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is that you in the pink and black ? :pac:

Can't believe that small, secluded bungalow is a Hell's Angels clubhouse !

Pretty fast

Reiver wrote: »

Something odd alright about a bunch a lads sitting in some building alone together. You do wonder what they be doing.

Organising their heroin importation business.

kumate_champ07

Hells Angels were run out of Ireland by the IRA, how long have they been back now?

Mightydrumming

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

Hells Angels were run out of Ireland by the IRA, how long have they been back now?

Whaaaaat? Where have I been! Wonder if there were any documentary's done?

ThisRegard

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

Hells Angels were run out of Ireland by the IRA, how long have they been back now?

You sure you're still not thinking of Sons of Anarchy?

Where's that reality diagram Ted uses to help Dougal.........

Mightydrumming

ThisRegard wrote: »

You sure you're still not thinking of Sons of Anarchy?

Where's that reality diagram Ted uses to help Dougal.........

I was thinking the exact same thing

Pedro K

Potential-Monke wrote: »

The difference between Ireland and the rest of the world is that the Irish MC's are banding together, calling themselves the 1%'ers, and are actively stopping foreign MC's from getting a foothold in Ireland.

Small correction to make here. They are not calling themselves the 1%. It is the Alliance Ireland, which is comprised of 1% clubs. 1% is a term used internationally.

YFlyer

Their not the best at bouncing at Rolling Stones concerts.

kumate_champ07

ThisRegard wrote: »

You sure you're still not thinking of Sons of Anarchy?

Where's that reality diagram Ted uses to help Dougal.........

heard it from a reliable source

ThisRegard

YFlyer wrote: »

Their not the best at bouncing at Rolling Stones concerts.

Ah, I remember why I read their history. Was watching an Evel Knievel documentary and at one of his shows one member jumped in to give him a smack, the MC (in the non biking sense) had said something about Knievel setting the Hells Angels back a hundred years if he made the jump. The crowd were having none of it and kicked the crap out of the Hells Angels who were there. They showed footage, there were no holds barred.

emigrate2012

As someone said already the MC's in Ireland are pretty serious about the "back patch's" Craig,the aul lad was in a MCC in the 70's/80s(eventually president I believe)some of the stories he has of the rallies are mental,if you see a flyer for a major rally it'll nearly always have "back patch clubs by prior appointment" or something similar so there's no trouble at it.
The blue gardenia aparrently was a big biker hangout back in the day(helmets to be left behind the bar upon entry or no service,due to numerous incidents of said helmets being used for the exact opposite of the intended purpose, ie cracking heads.....)

As regards to the club mentioned (foreign,hardcore,mc) I'm pretty sure I know the one your on about,very distinctive patch,pretty sure they were operating Around my way,very obviously dodgy as all hell,though that said haven't seen any around in a while so maybe dd's,rt's etc were successful in getting them to f off,though maybe that's changed with this development? Who knows really....
Rip to the man anyway see bad way to go out regardless of what you're into.

Whatsisname

Remember seeing a picture on Facebook not too long ago of a Hell's Angels member in Waterford.

BuilderPlumber

Pretty fast wrote: »

Organising their heroin importation business.

It looks like we have a cross between Mad Max and Love/Hate here

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mightydrumming wrote: »

What's the difference?

The difference is you don't know what you're talking about.

Mightydrumming

Nehemiah Grumpy Children wrote: »

The difference is you don't know what you're talking about.

What's the problem Nehemiah Grumpy Children?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mightydrumming wrote: »

What's the problem Makikomi?

If you don't know the difference between MC and MCC then you don't know what you're talking about, or is that too complicated for you?.

sasta le

These biker gangs dodgy?as in drugs protection etc

Mightydrumming

Nehemiah Grumpy Children wrote: »

If you don't know the difference between MC and MCC then you don't know what you're talking about, or is that too complicated for you?.

Apologies now but did I state somewhere that I was au fait about motorcycle clubs sir??

sasta le

How can they stop a motorbike club setting or why?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Apologies now but did I state somewhere that I was au fait about motorcycle clubs sir??

No bother. But there is a very big difference between MCC and MC.

sasta le

The club involved Facebook page has a post up saying names and a number to ring.Sounds messy

Mightydrumming

Nehemiah Grumpy Children wrote: »

No bother. But there is a very big difference between MCC and MC.

We discussed this earlier on in the thread, a fellow boardsie kindly explained the difference. Thanks though

the_syco

Mightydrumming wrote: »

man was "blasted in the face" in a drive-by

Mightydrumming wrote: »

gun attack

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Limerick

Mightydrumming wrote: »

rival biker gang

So.... man killed in gun attack in Limerick by another gang? How is this news?

Also, "rival bike gang kills enemy from car" sounds so GTA.

jimgoose

Potential-Monke wrote: »

...the surfacing problem in Ireland is that there is a new club. They consist of the rejects from MC's and MCC's who are too nuts to not cause trouble. As such, they are doing a lot of ground work for a foreign MC to get in here. I know the name of the club, but i'm not posting it here because it's not in the news yet...

The Mirror had an article largely to that effect yesterday in which they named a couple of fairly hairy clubs, one American and one English, I think. I put it down at the time to the Mirror taking a few basic established facts and making movies with them, as they do.

I couldn't possibly comment on the paramilitaries doing some sort of a St. Patrick on the HA, but they have a chapter in Belfast and they do venture down as far as Dublin in small numbers occasionally, at least.

jimgoose

sasta le wrote: »

How can they stop a motorbike club setting or why?

I'm not an expert by any means and far from it, but if I had to make an educated guess I would say that the four main MCs here are quite happy with things as they are - doing their thing quietly, bothering no-one and not being bothered - and have no more interest in a bunch of violent head-cases turning up and causing mayhem than any other ratepayers. This would cause big trouble, with the State intervening and possibly eventually culminating in Australian-style draconian public association laws for patched-up bikers.

fryup

Potential-Monke wrote: »

They wear their patches on their backs. Unless you're in an MC, you can be attacked for wearing your clubs patch on your back. It's an unwritten rule, and one no one should break.

so if i was to go around with a let say..honda 50 club patch on my back ill get the sh!t kicked out of me ?

is that rule worldwide??

K.Flyer

jimgoose wrote: »

[...]

I couldn't possibly comment on the paramilitaries doing some sort of a St. Patrick on the HA, but they have a chapter in Belfast and they do venture down as far as Dublin in small numbers occasionally, at least.

They now have a club house down here and are flying an "Ireland" bottom rocker as different to "N.Ireland" in Belfast. Also there are different Web Pages for each one.

Other than the four MC clubs who are part of the Alliance, you also have Chosen Few MC, Brotherhood Nomads MC and another international club on the west coast, Outlaws MC.

jimgoose

K.Flyer wrote: »

They now have a club house down here and are flying an "Ireland" bottom rocker as different to "N.Ireland" in Belfast. Also there are different Web Pages for each one...

Right. You live and learn!

Mesrine65

Potential-Monke wrote: »

However, the surfacing problem in Ireland is that there is a new club. They consist of the rejects from MC's and MCC's who are too nuts to not cause trouble. As such, they are doing a lot of ground work for a foreign MC to get in here. I know the name of the club, but i'm not posting it here because it's not in the news yet. Sufficed to say, they're a dangerous bunch of people, and stone mad on top of it.

Process of elimination leaves Sons of Silence MC, Mongols MC & Bandidos MC, the latter already being courted by one of the Alliance clubs & who now have a chapter on the channel islands but not the UK mainland.

DaleB91

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Process of elimination leaves Sons of Silence MC, Mongols MC & Bandidos MC, the latter already being courted by one of the Alliance clubs & who now have a chapter on the channel islands but not the UK mainland.

Whats been courted?
It was done by Caballeros MC who done the shooting, apparently offshoot off Bandidos MC. We already have the Outlaws MC. HA have a good few members in Dublin

Massimo Cassagrande

I was behind a Devils Diciples patched-lad today, he was on a snazzy sparkly green ape-hanger barred bike. Normally, I'd probably not have really noticed, but for some reason, after reading this, I did. Possibly heading down for the funeral? Savage bike anyway. From behind, it looked like Batman cruising along the road. I'm guessing there will/was be a huge turn-out for the funeral?

Mightydrumming

Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »

I was behind a Devils Diciples patched-lad today, he was on a snazzy sparkly green ape-hanger barred bike. Normally, I'd probably not have really noticed, but for some reason, after reading this, I did. Possibly heading down for the funeral? Savage bike anyway. From behind, it looked like Batman cruising along the road. I'm guessing there will/was be a huge turn-out for the funeral?

I just seen the funeral arrangements on Facebook, Judging by their facebook page, loads of MCC's were writing their condolences. He will get a good send off I'm sure.

The Diabolical Monocle

ThisRegard wrote: »

You sure you're still not thinking of Sons of Anarchy?

Where's that reality diagram Ted uses to help Dougal.........

sons of anarchy, sunday times ... whatever.

Mesrine65

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Process of elimination leaves Sons of Silence MC, Mongols MC & Bandidos MC, the latter already being courted by one of the Alliance clubs & who now have a chapter on the channel islands but not the UK mainland.

DaleB91 wrote: »

Whats been courted?
It was done by Caballeros MC who done the shooting, apparently offshoot off Bandidos MC. We already have the Outlaws MC. HA have a good few members in Dublin

You misunderstood my post DaleB91...

The post I quoted mentioned a foreign MC looking to gain turf in Ireland.

I in no way, was proportioning blame to these MC's for the fatality this weekend.

I was simply ruminating on the possible international MC's that would have the juice to be so bold as to lay claim to a piece of this island, taking into consideration the alliance of 4 indigenous MC's & 2 major international players already resident, if you will.

As to courting...sure 'tis the auld fashioned way of wooing possible suitors to ye

All one has to do is check out the gallery on these MC websites to see who is partying with who!

& seriously dude, don't be throwing club speculation up on an open forum, bull**** or no...not cool!

sasta le

Facebook page seems.to be gone

Massimo Cassagrande

sasta le wrote: »

Facebook page seems.to be gone

Outlawed?

Mightydrumming

Whoever was over the Facebook page wrote up that he was out of The Road Tramps so he must of closed the account as well.

Mesrine65

sasta le wrote: »

Facebook page seems.to be gone

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Whoever was over the Facebook page wrote up that he was out of The Road Tramps so he must of closed the account as well.

Who cares?

No disrespect lad's, but seriously, a man has lost his life, his partner & kin are grieving & I'm sure his bro's are hurting.

Let them lay their bro/man to rest & leave speculation to the media citizens.

Potential-Monke

fryup wrote: »

so if i was to go around with a let say..honda 50 club patch on my back ill get the sh!t kicked out of me ?

is that rule worldwide??

It's an unwritten rule. And i do believe it is worldwide. And if there was a "Honda 50 MCC", then you very well might get attacked for wearing a back patch. Forgot to mention, you also need to be careful of the colours you choose. Anything too close to an MC and words will be had! I'm not sure how hard the MC's go on back patches here, but from the few i know in MCC's, you just simply do not do it!

jimgoose

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's an unwritten rule. And i do believe it is worldwide. And if there was a "Honda 50 MCC", then you very well might get attacked for wearing a back patch. Forgot to mention, you also need to be careful of the colours you choose. Anything too close to an MC and words will be had! I'm not sure how hard the MC's go on back patches here, but from the few i know in MCC's, you just simply do not do it!

Aye. Thumps have been awarded for wearing backpatches or even inappropriate colours without clearing it with the local full-backpatch MC outfit first. My own view is that this whole caper is a bit ridiculous but that's just, like, my OPINION maaaan!

sasta le

These guys sound like nutjobs watching too many movies

jimgoose

sasta le wrote: »

These guys sound like nutjobs watching too many movies

This is going on since long before you knew what movies were.