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Proposed changes to Gaming (General) rules - PC vs Console
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Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭
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The Batman thread is an example of why we need format subforums. You have severe issues (and severe they are, even as someone not all that bothered about performance it sounds like an absolute farce) affecting one particular platform, and it needs its own space apart from the more general discussion of the game. Frankly, if I had the opportunity this morning I would have moved those posts in the PC Gaming direction. Those forums are perfect for format specific discussion, whether that's technical issues, bargains or multiplayer organisation.
That said, I'm also the strongest proponent you'll find of keeping general gaming the way it is, and not just because I'm a mod of it :pac: As both a PS mod and user before it was agreed that most/all of the discussion about the content of the games themselves was to be focused here, I'm going to be honest and say the category was a hot mess. There were multiple threads for every game, and no logic about where a particular thread belonged. At best it was repetitive, at worst it was super confusing and causing unnecessary splits on the community. I think it's a good thing to have a clear dividing line about what goes where - if we need to work on making that clearer, so be it. So for individual games, be they exclusive or multiformat, I think it's important that the core threads are allowed here, until they outgrow it or splinter off in different directions. (Brief aside: we're always going to have to tolerate some amount of format specific discussion in a general thread, but unless it's genuinely a big deal like the Batman stuff this morning it's rarely more bothersome than something you simply scroll past if it's not of interest)
Perhaps I'm being idealistic, but I believe once we get beyond all the format war guff we're talking about the same games. And wherever is possible or reasonable I think it's great we're having the main conversations about the content of the games themselves in one place.
PC Gaming is looking like an exception in several respects, and if that's the way it's evolving I definitely agree being more liberal with the scope should be encouraged. Last thing I'd want to do is try and neuter a forum that's trying to find its feet. But I don't think we should change what's working elsewhere - and trust me, the category as a whole is a lot better and more focused than it was even a year or so ago - for the sake of one forum. I don't think the console forums are lacking in community as is, anyway, if anything they're in a better position than they were when there was a free-for-all: lots of banter and general discussion tends to emerge organically in them anyway
Specifically in regards to 'PC vs console' discussion, or indeed the equally troublesome 'console vs console' discussion, if there's an appetite for a stricter control of that here I'm all for it. It's something I've been meaning to chat with the other mods about for a while, actually. We've taken a pretty hardline on 'console war' topics in the wake of the PS4 vs Xbox thread because it was a ****ing embarrassment to be perfectly frank, and the E3 thread was going that way too at times. And yeah I have to confess I have a serious issue with the 'PC master race / console peasant' 'gags' as well, because I feel they're beyond tired, immature and reliably toxic to friendly discussion. Nothing new ever emerges form the topics, and it descends into bickering without fail. So if you want myself and retr0 to have a chat about how we can deal with fanboyism in any of its guises, that's absolutely something I'm open to.0 -
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Ok, we've taken the feedback from this thread into our behind the scenes talk & have come to an agreement with where we're going with all of this. It's quite a simple set of solutions in the end really, & nothing that will negatively affect any avenue of the forums involved.
1) The whole 'pcmr v console peasants' thing is going to be actively moderated. For all of the reasons stated, it does nothing but get peoples hackles up - ultimately derailing threads, causing rifts, and generally creates a never ending cycle of arguing that we can all do without having to read through. So if you see examples of this going on, report the posts rather than engage them as Johnny_Ultimate and Retr0gamer have requested, they'll then happily handle it from there when they can.
2) Technical chat related to pc's and consoles alike, will now be actively moved to more relevant forums (PC Gaming, Xbox, PS & Nintendo). The PC Arkham Knight thread is a shining example of how this will all work. This serves to keep the threads in this Gaming (General) forum, purely about the games themselves. Technical chat is housed better elsewhere, so we're going to utilise such going forward.
3) PC Gaming will be formally allowed to have it's own games related threads, as it has done since last year. These threads will give a home to technical issues as detailed above, but will also allow general chat to foster too if required. Such general chat comes naturally anyway from forum regulars and the like, helps build and grow forums, sews seeds of community development, and as we've already seen, is a good thing that hasn't affected this forum in any way over the last few months anyway.
So that's essentially it, simple, but effective. Thank you all very much for your feedback, at the end of the day, the goal here is to make things better for you - the users, so hopefully these few little changes will do just that 0 -
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Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Join Date:Posts: 28094
The exact mechanisms are still being worked out, but suffice to say 'fanboy' nonsense of either a console or PC sort will not be welcome here anymore. When the exact rules are worked out we will let you know, but fair to say they'll be deleted at a bare minimum. If one must wage war against Xbox owners or use the phrase 'console peasants', it's not like there aren't many other parts of the Internet that will welcome you. It won't be this part though 0 -
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