Landlord threatening me with bills

Ronin247

Ask very specifically which two beds were pissed in...... hand that bill to the relevant piss artists.
We went on a stag do in Westport and one of the houses rented was uninhabitable when we got there, from the smell of urine throughout from the previous renters, it beggars belief that people think it is ok to not clean up after themselves.

Electric Sheep

Ronin247 wrote: »

Ask very specifically which two beds were pissed in...... hand that bill to the relevant piss artists.
We went on a stag do in Westport and one of the houses rented was uninhabitable when we got there, from the smell of urine throughout from the previous renters, it beggars belief that people think it is ok to not clean up after themselves.

And water hoover woman should be paying for the new hoover. I think you are going to have to push back a bit with your co-renters and not let them walk all over you. It really does sound like perhaps you are the "sensible" one of the group and they are taking advantage

ETA: I wonder if it was water she was vacuuming, or whether she was trying to vacuum the pee out of the beds!

percy212

TWO beds pissed in? I have a feeling this is going to be a large bill!

daheff

I wouldnt be paying full whack for new stuff. I'd imagine that the hoover/beds were already used by the time you used them. As such I'd be looking to only part pay for replacements (wear & tear etc). An Insurance policy wouldnt normally pay new for old, so why would you?

Also remember to keep the actual receipt...not a photocopy ...the landlady would probably try to claim those expenses against her taxes otherwise

Starokan

Something like this is never easy to solve, I'd suggest going to meet with here and try come to a compromise.

I work in cleaning myself and your big problem here will be whether she books an entire house clean or just cleans the affected areas, big big difference in price.

Champagne stains on the ceiling would be relatively simple to remove, it should not need a full coat of paint. There are companies that specialise in full mattress cleaning so they would not need to be replaced, it would be a cheaper alternative to buying new ones. The carpet that was vomited upon would have to be cleaned in full as any patch cleaned alone would look absurd.

If you had a 300 deposit and overpaid by 100 euro then you have 400 euro to begin with.

The hoover must be replaced, you need the make and model so you can determine the price, I am assuming 120 max unless its a dyson or similar, take out your esb 72 and whats remaining ( I would guess in or around 200 euro) then will go towards cleaning.

Read what you signed, if you are not required to remove rubbish then you do not have to pay. If you do then it would around 20 euro for the dump plus labour for whomever brings it.

I think you should speak with her, I would certainly be discussing the areas that need to be cleaned. If a person employed by the landlord walks through the house and passes it as ok then there is room for negotiation and compromise.

I believe the person who walked through was either incompetent or was just doing the landlord a favour, they clearly did not look into the issues in detail. This gives you room to negotiate, however it is most unlikely that the landlord is making any of this up, you know your friends did it and it would be very wrong to leave the landlord to pay. Talk to your friends, try get them to contribute 20 euro each.

If you add 260 to the 400 660 should in my opinion cover all.

jmayo

When I was a student we didn't have such problems.
I mean we never hired holiday homes for a week long party and we definetly never damaged anything with champagne.

Some spilled bulmers maybe, but someone usually mopped it up and squeezed the remnants into a class.
Ah those were the days.

OP have you ever heard the adage "Experience is what we call our mistakes" ?

Your first one was being the muppet (sorry if that is offensive, but it is the best description I can find for making this type of error in judgement) that signed or setup the rental that was going to involve 13 other people, nevermind the fact they are students.
Your second one was to compound the first by actually trusting them and leaving before the rental was up.

Sorry, but you are on the hook for this and your only hope is shaming the rest into paying.
I can just imagine you will get the line it wasn't me, it was someone else or someone that someone hooked up with that we didn't know.

A few things stand out ... apart from the puke, sweat and urine smells of course.
I presume there was some place to put rubbish rather than leave it in bags in house ?
Also were all the champagne bottles just dumped or did anyone have the decency to drop them to bottle bank ?
What type of eejit thought it was a good idea to vacumm up water (or most likely urine) ?
Possibly a future darwin award winner I would guess.

Anyway you need to ensure you get valid receipts for any work necessary and replacements.
Normally I wouldn't be that believeing of landlords (past experiences prove me right usually), but in this case I get the feeling that the landlord is not trying to screw you, only fix their property.

BTW if you get stiffed for this by the others then find some new friends.

faceman

I know Ireland is expensive but €72 for a week's worth of electricity??? Have you seen the bill yourself OP?

Electric Sheep

Starokan has given you the most useful advice of the thread.

In the end, the negotiation experience you get from this whole affair may end up being worth a lot more to you than the money you will be out.:)

Lux23

Ask for receipts and then pay, I am assuming the landlady is waiting to fix/clean up to get the money but unfortunately for her that is not how this works. I have a feeling that the lot of you are responsible for the damage but I wouldn't pay over the odds either.

irish_dave_83

She cant just take the 100 euro btw this should be returned, and I'm surprised that electricity is not included in the rent, same with the rubbish collection, so you should check that out in the lease.

Other than that, I imagine that there is a duty of care to the property on the part of the tenants. It seems like a lot of damage for only one week, so you would have to pay after you get the receipts.

Del2005

Many years ago a group of my friends did a fair bit of damage to another friends parents house at a party. The person who's house was damaged asked everyone who was at the party who did the damage and amazingly none admitted to destroying his property and he had been in the house when the damage occurred. You left a few days before the others and have no idea what happened after you left, 12 people drinking for a couple of days can do a lot of damage.

If possible try to get back to the rental to meet the landlady or at least get pictures of the damage and make sure that the people who caused the damage reimburse you. And next time you rent somewhere if you put your name down be last person out the door after inspection or taking loads of photos or video of you walking the building and locking the door.

Jayop

faceman wrote: »

I know Ireland is expensive but €72 for a week's worth of electricity??? Have you seen the bill yourself OP?

Probably a set fee before hand. I know any time I've rented a holiday home in Ireland they always sting you for a set daily/weekly electric charge when you arrive. It's normally separate from the cost of renting though. I've never had to pay a deposit for a short term holiday lease.

I feel really sorry for the OP, but if the crime was done then it looks like you need to pay. As has been said I'd find out specifically which bed's were wet and get those clowns to pay and hoover girl should fork out for that. The rest would likely be covered by the deposit, and if not split it among all the guests.

If any of them don't pay then cut them off from your friends list if they think it's cool to leave one innocent party on the hook for the whole thing.

paulheu

KieraMetzy wrote: »

I want to stress that absolutely none of this damage was intentional.

Sure.. It comes down to your definition of intentional, but you lot certainly got intentionally wasted and whatever else so bottom line and IMO you should/could have fully expected this to happen.

Mrs OBumble

Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. It happened, and is exactly what the deposit is for.

OP, good luck with getting your friends to pay their share of the bill, and with making new friends to replace the ones who don't.




NB are short term holiday rentals covered by normal rental rules? I thought that they were usually a licence to occupy situation, and so I'm not even sure that the OP is even entitled to see receipts.

SteM

Any short-term holiday rentals I've ever done have either had the electricity included in the price or have had an a agreement that it was extra to be billed when we were leaving. Don't see how electricity bill could have been so high and why you're being charged for it if it was never specified when you made the rental agreement.

As for the rubbish, it sounds like your group left an excessive amount behind but that should be written into the rental agreement too I would have thought.

Everything else you should have to pay for on on receipt of a bill imo.

daheff

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

NB are short term holiday rentals covered by normal rental rules? I thought that they were usually a licence to occupy situation, and so I'm not even sure that the OP is even entitled to see receipts.

If the OP is being asked to pay bills then they would have an entitlement to see receipt. Would you pay a bill with having seen a receipt?

Mrs OBumble

daheff wrote: »

If the OP is being asked to pay bills then they would have an entitlement to see receipt. Would you pay a bill with having seen a receipt?

If I had rented a property, and my so-called friends had then p*ssed in the beds, then I would be so mortified that yes, I think I would pay the owner's assessement of the damage.

Chris___

Chris___ wrote: »

A few years ago me and my ex rented a place down the south east for a few days. Renter tried to claim we caused some damage. I asked her to email me the photos of the damage we supposedly caused and she did. What she didn't expect was photos back with a copy of the days Irish Examiner in every photo of all the rooms I took the morning we left the place. She never emailed me back.

So what did she email you? Was it old photos of damage??

daheff

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If I had rented a property, and my so-called friends had then p*ssed in the beds, then I would be so mortified that yes, I think I would pay the owner's assessement of the damage.

I'm be more worried the renter was taking the p*ss with me.

OP didnt do the damage, so has no need to be embarassed because of it.

daheff

daheff wrote: »

OP didnt do the damage, so has no need to be embarassed because of it.

It was her party and she took responsibility for them. Yes, she should be embarrassed for her own reputation and she should reach a quick accommodation with the renter. You don't get pernickety in cases like this when you are so obviously in the wrong.

Axwell

Im surprised no one has mentioned this - but when she is producing receipts they should only be for items of the same type or value as those being replaced.

If the hoover was some cheap brand she cant be going off buying a brand new dyson and charging you for that. It has to be replacing like with like or you will get shafted.

Magico Gonzalez

Your friends have let you down, ensure they split the costs.

I wouldn't be paying for removal of the rubbish, unless there was a specific limit stipulated in the contract.

Don't request receipts, ask her for a written quote for the damages.

I wouldn't drag it out too much.

Slap everyone of your friends in the face, hard.

Also, find new friends. Ones with bladder control.

daheff

daheff wrote: »

I wouldnt be paying full whack for new stuff. I'd imagine that the hoover/beds were already used by the time you used them. As such I'd be looking to only part pay for replacements (wear & tear etc). An Insurance policy wouldnt normally pay new for old, so why would you?

Axwell wrote: »

Im surprised no one has mentioned this - but when she is producing receipts they should only be for items of the same type or value as those being replaced.

If the hoover was some cheap brand she cant be going off buying a brand new dyson and charging you for that. It has to be replacing like with like or you will get shafted.

fair point.....something similar was mentioned....... :cool:

Axwell

daheff wrote: »

fair point.....something similar was mentioned....... :cool:

Your suggestion is not paying the full price and accounting for wear and tear which they are unlikely to get away with, you have no way of saying how long the mattress for example was there before or how old the hoover is. They will have to pay the full amount thats on the receipts and replace the product. The key point is that the landlady must replace like with like and doesnt go off buying something more expensive or fancy just to suit herself.

the_syco

KieraMetzy wrote: »

Either way, thanks for the advice guys.

Any update?

Electric Sheep

the_syco wrote: »

Any update?

I'd love an update too - the whole thing was very poor behavior of the friends to leave the OP carrying the can for the situation.